No Truth in Socialism: Why the 'Crisis of Marxism' Matters

[Rigby5]

Do you know that Marx said governments exist to mediate the class struggle in favor of the "ruling" or dominant class? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said "lower communism" ("socialist society") is class society and it occurs or operates between capitalist society and "higher communism" ("communist" society)? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said that "higher communism" will be classless and therefore stateless society? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said that the dictatorship of the proletariat is only needed while there's a need to dictate over the capitalist class to stop them from acting out their capitalist dreams? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that "the proletariat" is a term for the working class wage earners? Even bourgeois capitalist dictionaries know it. One says the proletariat is "the class of industrial wage earners who, possessing neither capital nor production means, must earn their living by selling their labor."

Are you familiar with the Marxian term "withering away" regarding what happens to CLASSES and the state under socialism? If not you need to read a bit more.

Except you did not understand a single point.

Sure governments exist to mediate the class struggle in favor of the "ruling", but if you read Marx, his desire was to eliminate government because he thought is was inherently corrupt. That is what he was saying. Government is inherently corrupt, in favor of a ruling class, so then should be destroyed. He has some idealistic faith that people would then be so nice to each other, government would not be needed.

Sure "lower communism" ("socialist society") is class society, which is why he did not like socialism, and instead believed in communism, which eliminates the corruption of capitalism and is classless.

Sure "higher communism" will be classless and therefore stateless society. That is the whole point of Marxism, that the state and classes are artificial and evil. He was an extreme idealist, and believed in a benevolent Anarchism.

But it is wrong to believe Marx believed the dictatorship of the proletariat is only needed while there's a need to dictate over the capitalist class to stop them from acting out their capitalist dreams.
He always wanted to destroy the evil and corrupt capitalists and the dictatorship of the proletariat means a free democracy. A dictatorship of the proletariat means majority rule. It is totally benevolent. It is the opposite of a dictatorship by a single dictator or minority class.

Sure "the proletariat" is a term for the working class wage earners, but in Marx's ideal state, that is all that would exist. Marx wanted a classless state, where everyone would be a working class, wage earner, and collectively the proletariat.

Of course Marx thought the "withering away" of CLASSES and the state would happen naturally under communism.
That was his idealism again, where he thought all crime was due to evil class inequalities.
He thought that then if you eliminate all classes but the proletariat, all crime would disappear and government would become unnecessary any more.

 

[Senter]

Prove your position

The Pope lives?

 

[Colin norris]

I don't need a lesson on socialism from the American Thinker.

1. Don't you think everyone should have a good paying job?
2. Don't you think everyone should have clean water and clean air?
3. Don't you think everyone should have outstanding healthcare?

I don't need a for a American Thinker give me a refresher on communism. We have socialism for the runaway capitalism in the US,

Do you think businesses that don't pay any taxes are good for the US, that is socialism??

The irony is those most vocal clearly don't know what it is. They inherited their animosity and cultured by the gop.

 

[jc456]

Wrong.
Was Stalin making a profit or not?
If he was motivated to make a profit, and he was, that is capitalism.

Taking people’s money illegally isn’t profit. Being a slave owner and abusing humans isn’t capitalism

 

[Rigby5]

And our American Indian societies.

Our American Indian societies were totally communist.
Ever hear of Potlatch?
North American natives were very unmaterialistic.

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Catholic Charities is making big money $$$$$ off illegals and federal government----they manipulate and twist the truth to suit their own needs---gold rings for the pope.

 

[Senter]

I don't need a lesson on socialism from the American Thinker.

1. Don't you think everyone should have a good paying job?
2. Don't you think everyone should have clean water and clean air?
3. Don't you think everyone should have outstanding healthcare?

I don't need a for a American Thinker give me a refresher on communism. We have socialism for the runaway capitalism in the US,

Do you think businesses that don't pay any taxes are good for the US, that is socialism??

The ruling capitalist class in the US has worked hard to confuse us as a way of disarming us. So it is very important for us to get clear and to speak clearly on this subject so that we may oppose, resist, and correct the confusion they've sown. Don't you agree?

 

[Rigby5]

Wait a minute. You say "note that the dictatorship of the proletariat is communism, not socialism".

Can you quote the exact passage and wording where you believe you see that said in your quote?

Also, where did you get the quote?

It simply is that communism is stricter than socialism in that socialism allows some capitalism that is carefully regulated, but communism has no capitalism at all.

 

[Senter]

It simply is that communism is stricter than socialism in that socialism allows some capitalism that is carefully regulated, but communism has no capitalism at all.

So you're making assumptions. Can I tell you that you're wrong? Cuz you are. Do you care? Would you like the straight truth on it?

 

[jc456]

The Pope lives?

He works

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, and no communist manifesto or book called Capital

Marx was an idiot, as is all the Marxist countries, from cuba, to russia, to now the democrat party.

Marx was not really an idiot, but just the ground breaker, much like Freud.
We just know a lot more now.
For example, the main problem that caused Marx to be so upset was the end of cottage industries, due to the steam looms of the industrial revolution. And the solution to that was not communism, but just unions, collective bargaining, anti trust laws, labor laws, unemployment compensation, etc. No big deal really.

 

[Rigby5]

Taking people’s money illegally isn’t profit. Being a slave owner and abusing humans isn’t capitalism

Of course slavery, theft, etc., is capitalism.
Capitalism is where you make more money by investing what little capital you have, in something with a return.
For most of time, that has been weapons.
All thieves, pirates, mercenaries, dictators, etc., are capitalists.
Anyone with a profit motivation is a capitalist.
The slave plantation owners of the deep south in the US was ultra capitalists.

 

[Rigby5]

The ruling capitalist class in the US has worked hard to confuse us as a way of disarming us. So it is very important for us to get clear and to speak clearly on this subject so that we may oppose, resist, and correct the confusion they've sown. Don't you agree?

The US wealthy elite have been especially emphatic when it comes to false anti-Bolshevik propaganda.

 

[Rigby5]

So you're making assumptions. Can I tell you that you're wrong? Cuz you are. Do you care? Would you like the straight truth on it?

Sure.
Everyone is wrong about something.
The way to truth, is dialectic.
You learn from arguing.

 

[Doc7505]

Silly thread because no one has ever tried Marxism, and it likely would work fine on local level, if anyone would ever try it.

Tell that to the more than 200 million killed by Stalin his henchmen, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Castro and Chavez/Maduro..

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Are all the schools private and all the roads charging tolls?
No, then they are socialist.
Capitalism is profit motive only, so then there can be no free infrastructure to the general public.
Free infrastructure to the general public, is socialism.

Wrong.

Capitalism is protected private property rights and voluntary peaceful exchange which leads to greater profit.

Socialism fails which si why our public schools and roads suck

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Was Stalin making a profit or not?
If he was motivated to make a profit, and he was, that is capitalism.

I am correct and you are wrong.

About capitalism and stalin who was a hardcore communist.

 

[Penelope]

Catholic Charities is making big money $$$$$ off illegals and federal government----they manipulate and twist the truth to suit their own needs---gold rings for the pope.

Catholic Charities, not anymore, you can give with confidence giving to them.

 

[Penelope]

Yes, and no communist manifesto or book called Capital

Marx was an idiot, as is all the Marxist countries, from cuba, to russia, to now the democrat party.

They have dictators. There has never been a socialist or communism country, except Israel.

Fidel Castro's Amassed A Massive Fortune In Communist Cuba​

 

[elektra]

They have dictators. There has never been a socialist or communism country, except Israel.

Fidel Castro's Amassed A Massive Fortune In Communist Cuba​

Isreal? You say some stupid shit.