Who do you think wins?

Where will you go to avoid a nuclear holocaust, which just might be our future with either one of these dumb warmongering fools.
Fake news. Trump detests war and is a great negotiator, with actual history to prove it. Dont project demonicrats on trump.
 
Fake news. Trump detests war and is a great negotiator, with actual history to prove it. Dont project demonicrats on trump.
Mostly true actually. Trump hates war so much he dodged the draft and called those who sign up to defend the country suckers and losers.

Dude hates war alright.
 
Where will you go to avoid a nuclear holocaust, which just might be our future with either one of these dumb warmongering fools.

I'm starting to feel like I live in an alternate universe, reading posts on this site about the two candidates. I mean it's so disheartening, it's making me consider just giving up on forums and discussing politics entirely. And I really hate to say this, but I'm to the point now where I think we (Americans) deserve to lose this country. There are too many gullible people who fall for the same stuff every time, and end up adoring the latest charismatic puppet, to the point of hero worship.

Now I understand why Ben Franklin said the "if you can keep it" part of his famous statement, "A republic, if you can keep it."
 
Thanks. We are very excited by the prospect. We had long talked about moving abroad when we retired, and now that we are 4.5 years from that point it was time to put up or shut up!
Isn’t Panama still subject to the dictates of the US empire?
 
Isn’t Panama still subject to the dictates of the US empire?

Nope, has not been for a while. Right now China holds more sway over them than the US does. But that is all based on trade, and the fact China has the leases on the ports on both sides of the canal

The US threw a temper tantrum after Panama got the canal back and would not play the games the US wanted and has been ignoring Panama ever since. We went 4 years without even having a real Ambassador to Panama, spanning both the Trump and Biden admins.
 
I mean it's so disheartening, it's making me consider just giving up on forums and discussing politics entirely.

yep. This place is like a drug though, I do need to cut it out of my life. The good news is I have bets with people on both candidates so no matter who wins I will have to take at least a month off
 
I'm starting to feel like I live in an alternate universe, reading posts on this site about the two candidates. I mean it's so disheartening, it's making me consider just giving up on forums and discussing politics entirely. And I really hate to say this, but I'm to the point now where I think we (Americans) deserve to lose this country. There are too many gullible people who fall for the same stuff every time, and end up adoring the latest charismatic puppet, to the point of hero worship.

Now I understand why Ben Franklin said the "if you can keep it" part of his famous statement, "A republic, if you can keep it."
Agreed. Many on this forum disgust me, as do many dumb Americans. How any thinking American can support what our government is doing in Palestine and Ukraine is crazy. After all the lies government and media have told us since 9/11, and all the horrible death and destruction it’s wrought, only a dupe of the establishment would continue to support this government. They’ve learned absolutely nothing.
 
Nope, has not been for a while. Right now China holds more sway over them than the US does. But that is all based on trade, and the fact China has the leases on the ports on both sides of the canal

The US threw a temper tantrum after Panama got the canal back and would not play the games the US wanted and has been ignoring Panama ever since. We went 4 years without even having a real Ambassador to Panama, spanning both the Trump and Biden admins.
That’s great but once the empire sets its sights on a nation opposing it, watch out. Look what it’s done to most of Latin America over the decades. Death and destruction is common. Coups and US installed right wing governments have resulted in lots of suffering.
 
yep. This place is like a drug though, I do need to cut it out of my life. The good news is I have bets with people on both candidates so no matter who wins I will have to take at least a month off
I use to enjoy this forum, before the wars in Ukraine and Palestine began. I’ve always opposed war here, but to see so many posters here fall inline with the government media narrative and support these horrific wars, has made me consider leaving the forum.
 
Fake news. Trump detests war and is a great negotiator, with actual history to prove it. Dont project demonicrats on trump.
Dumb. You’re uninformed.

He’ll give your leader Bibi everything he wants, which you support. He’s stated a desire to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
 
Look what it’s done to most of Latin America over the decades. Death and destruction is common. Coups and US installed right wing governments have resulted in lots of suffering.

Yeah, we have a very long and sordid history there. I am ashamed to admit I was oblivious to much of it till lately. I not long ago read a book about our dealings with Noriega and and am not reading a book about Panama from Occupation to now.

We did some just bad/evil things and a lot of stupid things in the country.
 
Yeah, we have a very long and sordid history there. I am ashamed to admit I was oblivious to much of it till lately. I not long ago read a book about our dealings with Noriega and and am not reading a book about Panama from Occupation to now.

We did some just bad/evil things and a lot of stupid things in the country.
Yes we did and likely will again. So, be careful where you emigrate to.

Wasn’t Noriega working with the CIA at one time? Then the empire turned on him.
 
Yes we did and likely will again. So, be careful where you emigrate to.

I do not see it happening again, we are not the empire we once were.

Wasn’t Noriega working with the CIA at one time? Then the empire turned on him.

Yep, he was helping us against the Sandinistas the same time we were selling arms to Iran. We pretty much put him in power in Panama. He outlived his usefulness and refused to go quietly into the night. We offered to set him up in any number of countries for life, but he was too afraid of the cartels thought he knew too much to keep alive if he were no longer useful. So, in the end, we invaded Panama and took him out. Oddly enough most Panamanians today still support that move. But afterward we broke most of the promises we made to them to get the new Govt to agree to our invasion.

Typical US stuff
 
I'm starting to feel like I live in an alternate universe, reading posts on this site about the two candidates. I mean it's so disheartening, it's making me consider just giving up on forums and discussing politics entirely. And I really hate to say this, but I'm to the point now where I think we (Americans) deserve to lose this country. There are too many gullible people who fall for the same stuff every time, and end up adoring the latest charismatic puppet, to the point of hero worship.

Now I understand why Ben Franklin said the "if you can keep it" part of his famous statement, "A republic, if you can keep it."
Yeah, I'm worried now, too..... :boobies:

 
We are almost at Election Day and the parties could not be more opposite. Yet it’s the independent voters who will decide this race. I cannot fathom Harris winning. But I am biased. What does everyone else feel/think?

Let the insults begin

Because of voting irregulates in some swing states and illegals possibly voting its hard to predict with any certainty. I'm voting for Trump but not certain of the outcome. In the past (save 2020) if the dems won okay not thrilled but win some lose some, Today is a different story,
 
He said it didn’t come from a lab
None of your links have any actual statement from Fauci saying so.

Since I am so much better at this than you, I can do it for you:
Q Mr. President, I wanted to ask Dr. Fauci: Could you address these suggestions or concerns that this virus was somehow manmade, possibly came out of a laboratory in China?

THE PRESIDENT: Want to go?

Q You studied this virus. What are the prospects of that?

DR. FAUCI: There was a study recently that we can make available to you, where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve. And the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.


That’s not saying one thing is right and one thing is wrong. It’s saying something that is perfectly scientifically defensible.
 
Dumb. You’re uninformed.

He’ll give your leader Bibi everything he wants, which you support. He’s stated a desire to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
And 4 years from now when u r proved wrong, as usual?

My money says you'll ignore that as well and remain a Democrat dumbshit.
 
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