Zone1 Who created all things?

[kjw47]

You didn't answer my question. Scripture says God calls Israel His Firstborn. Explain that.

It was his firstborn religion as his chosen ones. Any on Earth could join that religion( proselytes they were called from other nations)

 

[kjw47]

I asked you before for your proof of this. A third grader could have written a book better and more logical than the Bible.

You must be kidding. I know you have no understanding of it, Few on Earth do. Many claim to, but use altered translations that mislead into darkness.
Archeologists have dug up many sights mentioned in the OT proving they were reality.

 

[onefour1]

Scripture says that the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. Is that true or false?

Quote the verse. Are you implying that the word, "overshadowed" means that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary?

 

[onefour1]

What definition are you using for "only begotten son"? Catholic teaching is eternally generated by the Father--i.e., not a creation of the Father.

My definition is that God the Father is the literal Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Mary was impregnated through the seed of the Father. The word "Only" implies that Jesus is exclusively the Son of God in the flesh. The word "Begotten" implies that Jesus is the literal offspring of the Father in the flesh. The word "Son" implies that Jesus is the very son of the Father and is his literal offspring in the flesh. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Father in the flesh. Jesus and all of us are the literal offspring of the Father in the spirit. Jesus was the firstborn spirit child of the Father and we are all his spirit brothers and sisters. However, in the flesh, Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. We are all eternally generated by the Father spiritually as his spirit offspring.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[BS Filter]

It was his firstborn religion as his chosen ones. Any on Earth could join that religion( proselytes they were called from other nations)

Lie. The word "religion" isnt in the Scripture. What does the term "Firstborn" mean in Scripture?

 

[BS Filter]

Quote the verse. Are you implying that the word, "overshadowed" means that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Luke 1:35.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Thats pure bull. God wrote his bible through righteous men via holy spirit=100% guarantee.

There is not one bit of evidence of that. You were indoctrinated by your elders and those in authority to believe that lie. Ask some of those here what proof there is that the bible is inspired and they will tell you it says so I'm the bible. Circular logic.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You must not be very well educated if you believe that.

The Bible is widely regarded as a literary masterpiece by many literary critics, regardless of their personal religious beliefs. While some may focus on its religious significance, many scholars recognize its literary qualities, including diverse narrative styles, poetry, and compelling stories.

Here's why the Bible is often considered a literary masterpiece:

• Influence:
  The Bible has had a profound and lasting impact on literature, art, and culture worldwide.
  
  
• Diverse Literary Forms:
  It encompasses various literary forms, such as narrative, poetry, and legal texts, showcasing a wide range of writing styles.
  
  
• Timeless Themes:
  The Bible explores universal themes of love, loss, faith, morality, and the human condition, which resonate with readers across time and cultures.
  
  
• Compelling Stories:
  Many biblical stories, like those in Genesis and Exodus, are widely recognized and retold in various forms of art.
  
  
• Linguistic Beauty:
  The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, in particular, is celebrated for its poetic prose and powerful language.

Alice in Wonderland beats it hands down, as does The Wizard of Oz, which is more believable as being factual than your bible.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

As I have mentioned before, while that may have been true for you, it is not true for others. Also, do you see what I mean by "hate".... (your use of the word 'stupid').

Saying something is stupid is not hate. It's like saying a belief in Heavens' Gate is stupid is hate. I'm sure you agree that Heavens Gate is concocted. Or maybe not.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Stupid things like believing a third grader could have written a book better and more logical than the Bible?

Gone with the Wind is better too.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You must be kidding. I know you have no understanding of it, Few on Earth do. Many claim to, but use altered translations that mislead into darkness.
Archeologists have dug up many sights mentioned in the OT proving they were reality.

If there is a nuclear war and centuries later peoplele find a Spiderman book or Superman and discover New York really did exist does that prove their existence?

 

[onefour1]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Luke 1:35.

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

When I read this verse the Holy Ghost does come upon Mary but then the power of the HIGHEST (ie God the Father) overshadows Mary.

 

[BS Filter]

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

When I read this verse the Holy Ghost does come upon Mary but then the power of the HIGHEST (ie God the Father) overshadows Mary.

it doesn't say "but". It says "and". Also, it doesn't say the HIGHEST is God the Father.

 

[onefour1]

it doesn't say "but". It says "and". Also, it doesn't say the HIGHEST is God the Father.

"but" wouldn't fit no matter what. It is simply saying that the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee AND the power of the HIGHEST shall overshadow thee. "and" seems quite appropriate. I would think if the highest were the Holy Ghost, then the sentence would make more sense if written, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and his power shall overshadow thee". But no it brings up the Highest with an "and" as another power coming upon Mary.

Luke 1:32-33
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father. The Father of Jesus is also known as the Highest.

 

[BS Filter]

"but" wouldn't fit no matter what. It is simply saying that the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee AND the power of the HIGHEST shall overshadow thee. "and" seems quite appropriate. I would think if the highest were the Holy Ghost, then the sentence would make more sense if written, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and his power shall overshadow thee". But no it brings up the Highest with an "and" as another power coming upon Mary.

Luke 1:32-33
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father. The Father of Jesus is also known as the Highest.

Jesus is also known as The Almighty, I Am, The Alpha and Omega. The point is the Holy Spirit is God. That's why the Scripture doesn't make sense to you. You don't understand that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are God.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus is also known as The Almighty, I Am, The Alpha and Omega. The point is the Holy Spirit is God. That's why the Scripture doesn't make sense to you. You don't understand that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are God.

Yes. I believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are all God. But scripture tells us that Jesus is the Son of the Father and not the Son of the Holy Ghost. What you do not understand is that for now the Holy Ghost is a spirit. Spirits do not have the power to procreate. The Father and Son now have immortal resurrected bodies and thus have the power to procreate. It takes a body to procreate.

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:1
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 John 1:3
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

 

[BS Filter]

Yes. I believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are all God. But scripture tells us that Jesus is the Son of the Father and not the Son of the Holy Ghost. What you do not understand is that for now the Holy Ghost is a spirit. Spirits do not have the power to procreate. The Father and Son now have immortal resurrected bodies and thus have the power to procreate. It takes a body to procreate.

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:1
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 John 1:3
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Are you saying that God the Father and Jesus have physical sex?

 

[cnm]

Of course you are going to see it that way. But then again you guys deny the universe was created from nothing even though it is the mainstream science.

I bet it took the whole back 40 to make that straw man.

 

[cnm]

If you fall overboard and I throw you a life jacket but you reject it and drown, you're a fool. I showed you love. That's exactly what God did by sending Jesus to save you and you reject Him.

 

[BS Filter]

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