Who can tell me

[JBeukema]

what the government is

and

where it comes from

 

[dilloduck]

what the government is

and

where it comes from

Are we allowed to use life lines ?

 

[Oddball]

If you really want to get down to it, "government" doesn't even exist, in the corporeal world.

It's a mere word we use to describe the collectivized use of force.

 

[JBeukema]

You get one ask a friend and one Call Google

 

[JBeukema]

If you really want to get down to it, "government" doesn't even exist, in the corporeal world.

It's a mere word we use to describe the collectivized use of force.

So would you agree that ';the government' which rules over the collective is the collective itself?

Would you also agree that the collective is merely all the individuals within it?

Would you agree, in turn, that the government, therefore is merely the individual and all his neighbors?

 

[dilloduck]

You get one ask a friend and one Call Google

hmmm--how about a bunch of rules lawyers write that people have to follow or pay the consequences if they get caught not following them ?

 

[JBeukema]

You get one ask a friend and one Call Google

hmmm--how about a bunch of rules lawyers write that people have to follow or pay the consequences if they get caught not following them ?

And who will enforce those rules?

 

[Oddball]

If you really want to get down to it, "government" doesn't even exist, in the corporeal world.

It's a mere word we use to describe the collectivized use of force.

So would you agree that ';the government' which rules over the collective is the collective itself?

Would you also agree that the collective is merely all the individuals within it?

Would you agree, in turn, that the government, therefore is merely the individual and all his neighbors?

I don't bite on leading questions.

Historically speaking, government is the concept by which the mob exerts its will on other mobs and those who would just as soon not buy into the mob mindset.

Despite the popular myth to the contrary, it is in fact minority rule in the end.

 

[dilloduck]

You get one ask a friend and one Call Google

hmmm--how about a bunch of rules lawyers write that people have to follow or pay the consequences if they get caught not following them ?

And who will enforce those rules?

those who have the power to convince people that they will be good at it.

 

[JBeukema]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end


Duck: how can they enforce it all by themselves without the masses to recognize their authority and give them the p0ower to do so?

 

[JBeukema]

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those who have the power to convince people that they will be good at it.

which means that it's ultimately the masses who select them to do it- the majority still rules in the end

 

[dilloduck]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end


Duck: how can they enforce it all by themselves without the masses to recognize their authority and give them the p0ower to do so?

They can't.

 

[JBeukema]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end


Duck: how can they enforce it all by themselves without the masses to recognize their authority and give them the p0ower to do so?

They can't.

Then they don't rule

the mob still rules in the end

the masses must accept their rule in order for it to stand

ultimately, all systems are democracy

the founding fathers referred to this truth as the 'consent of the governed'

 

[Oddball]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end

Easily refuted popular myth.

First of all, force doesn't seek agreement with anyone...That's the point of it in the first place.

Secondly, approxamately half of Americans -for example- don't even show up to the polls...Abstention is not consent.

Add to that the losing side in the election, and it's clear that the grossly overrated "democracy" is indeed minoritry rule.

 

[dilloduck]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end


Duck: how can they enforce it all by themselves without the masses to recognize their authority and give them the p0ower to do so?

They can't.

Then they don't rule

the mob still rules in the end

the masses must accept their rule in order for it to stand

ultimately, all systems are democracy

the founding fathers referred to this truth as the 'consent of the governed'

I didn't say they ruled--I just said they try to enforce the rules when people break them.
You asked what goverment was--you didn't ask who rules.

 

[JBeukema]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end

Easily refuted popular myth.

First of all, force doesn't seek agreement with anyone...That's the point of it in the first place.

the masses must give in to the force

the societal consensus is to accept the social order because it is more desirable than the alternative (the expected outcome of revolt)

in the end, it's still the masses who accept it

Secondly, approxamately half of Americans -for example- don't even show up to the polls...Abstention is not consent.

yes, it is


if you do not contest, you accept


if they weren't happy, they'd get their worthless asses to the polls or the armory

Add to that the losing side in the election, and it's clear that the grossly overrated "democracy" is indeed minoritry rule.

they have agreed to accept the outcome of the elcetion

 

[Valerie]

The government is the body of individuals within an organization that has the authority to make and enforce rules, laws and regulations.

 

[JBeukema]

The government is the body of individuals within an organization that has the authority to make and enforce rules, laws and regulations.

From whence does that authority come?

 

[Valerie]

Dude: It can't be 'minority rule', because the majoity must agree to the conditions

minority rule is ultimately impossible because all systems are democracy in the end

Easily refuted popular myth.

First of all, force doesn't seek agreement with anyone...That's the point of it in the first place.

Secondly, approxamately half of Americans -for example- don't even show up to the polls...Abstention is not consent.

Add to that the losing side in the election, and it's clear that the grossly overrated "democracy" is indeed minoritry rule.

Individual citizens have the authority to elect their government, but those who choose not to cast their vote do actually consent by absentation.

 

[Oddball]

Individual citizens have the authority to elect their government, but those who choose not to cast their vote do actually consent by absentation.

See what I mean?

"Consent" via sheer brute force.