Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Toddsterpatriot]

Indeed, the Plan was to partition Palestine.

And who was going to get the parts?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

They seriously kicked some Arab ass in 1967, didn't they?

 

[toastman]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

Israel started which war ?

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..

 

[surada]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

Israel started which war ?

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..

They weren't amassing troops around Israel.. The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months.. Nasser had asked for a summit to resolved the problem. Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen to fight the civil war there.

 

[surada]

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

They seriously kicked some Arab ass in 1967, didn't they?

They wanted more land and water. Read Moshe Dayan.

US taxpayers have paid thru the nose.

 

[toastman]

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

What territory specifically are you talking about that Israel ‘claims’ is theirs . Post a map and hiloge

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

Israel started which war ?

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..

They weren't amassing troops around Israel.. The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months.. Nasser had asked for a summit to resolved the problem. Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen to fight the civil war there.

In the months prior to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that the closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a cause for war (a casus belli).
ejecting UNEF.

Six-Day War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Any more questions ??

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Golly. This is weird. There was an Israel - Lebanon Armistice agreement signed in 1949.

Indeed, I found no indication of any representation by a "country of Pal'istan'' in that agreement. Weird, huh?

IL LB_490323_IsraeliLebaneseGeneralArmisticeAgreement.pdf (un.org)

Indeed.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are once again confused. You are entirely off target.

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

(COMMENT)

An Armistice agreement is a Military arrangement. It is not a UN Document or a pronouncement by the UN. It is written in a language acceptable to each political chain.

The purpose of an Armistice is the cessation of hostilities as a first step towards a peaceful resolution. It only defines the Armistice Lines not the territorial disposition or conclude to any other political question.

You specifically mentioned the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements:

◈ Article VI(9) • General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.​

​

◈ Article V(2) • General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.​

Having said that, once a permanent peace arrangement is agreed upon, the Armistice Agreement is no longer in force. It is completely replaced. You should also take notice that:

◈ Neither in the Preamble of the body of the Peace Treaty (all thirty article) between Jordan and Israel, the word "Palestine" is not mentioned.​

◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"​

​

What is in force today, does not elude to an independent and self-governing state called Palestine. You need to quit worrying about what happened more than a half-century ago, and come up to speed on what is relevant today.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once again, you are off the mark.

The "Palestine they are discussing is the Palestine subject to the Mandate and nothing further.

The Palestinians became citizens of Palestine not of a Mandate.

(COMMENT)

The Citizenship Order did NOT grant citizenship to the Palestinians as Citizens of the State of Palestine. The citizenship was to the Government of Palestine (under the High Commissioner) and their Passport (British) so reflected that by identifying it a PALESTINE (as in the Government of). Why was it done like this? Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory." Even the phony-baloney passport today says "Palestinian Authority." You need to come up to speed.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Off the Mark.

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

(COMMENT)

Yes to a point this is true (intentional misinformation to deceive the discussion group). But you didn't tell the whole story. The Mandate transferred to the International Trustee System under Article 77(1a) UN Charter.

Article 77

1 The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

They seriously kicked some Arab ass in 1967, didn't they?

They wanted more land and water. Read Moshe Dayan.

US taxpayers have paid thru the nose.

They wanted more land and water.

Pretty sneaky tricking the Arabs into war, eh?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are once again confused. You are entirely off target.

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

(COMMENT)

An Armistice agreement is a Military arrangement. It is not a UN Document or a pronouncement by the UN. It is written in a language acceptable to each political chain.

The purpose of an Armistice is the cessation of hostilities as a first step towards a peaceful resolution. It only defines the Armistice Lines not the territorial disposition or conclude to any other political question.

You specifically mentioned the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements:

◈ Article VI(9) • General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.​

​

◈ Article V(2) • General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.​

Having said that, once a permanent peace arrangement is agreed upon, the Armistice Agreement is no longer in force. It is completely replaced. You should also take notice that:

◈ Neither in the Preamble of the body of the Peace Treaty (all thirty article) between Jordan and Israel, the word "Palestine" is not mentioned.​

◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"​

​

What is in force today, does not elude to an independent and self-governing state called Palestine. You need to quit worrying about what happened more than a half-century ago, and come up to speed on what is relevant today.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course all of that ducks my post.

 

[P F Tinmore]

◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"

Interesting since the Mandate had been gone for three decades and they are still using that pejorative term.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes to a point this is true (intentional misinformation to deceive the discussion group). But you didn't tell the whole story. The Mandate transferred to the International Trustee System under Article 77(1a) UN Charter.

And where was the UN when Palestine was being raped by Israel? Sitting around with their thumb up their ass like they have been for the last seven decades.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."

Mandates had no territory.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."

Mandates had no territory.

Neither does Palestine, eh?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."

Mandates had no territory.

Neither does Palestine, eh?

Another unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

 

[Hollie]

Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."

Mandates had no territory.

The Mandate did not require territory.

 

[Hollie]

Yes to a point this is true (intentional misinformation to deceive the discussion group). But you didn't tell the whole story. The Mandate transferred to the International Trustee System under Article 77(1a) UN Charter.

And where was the UN when Palestine was being raped by Israel? Sitting around with their thumb up their ass like they have been for the last seven decades.

Your characterization Is false and intended as misinformation

 

[toastman]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are once again confused. You are entirely off target.

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

(COMMENT)

An Armistice agreement is a Military arrangement. It is not a UN Document or a pronouncement by the UN. It is written in a language acceptable to each political chain.

The purpose of an Armistice is the cessation of hostilities as a first step towards a peaceful resolution. It only defines the Armistice Lines not the territorial disposition or conclude to any other political question.

You specifically mentioned the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements:

◈ Article VI(9) • General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.​

​

◈ Article V(2) • General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.​

The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.​

Having said that, once a permanent peace arrangement is agreed upon, the Armistice Agreement is no longer in force. It is completely replaced. You should also take notice that:

◈ Neither in the Preamble of the body of the Peace Treaty (all thirty article) between Jordan and Israel, the word "Palestine" is not mentioned.​

◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"​

​

What is in force today, does not elude to an independent and self-governing state called Palestine. You need to quit worrying about what happened more than a half-century ago, and come up to speed on what is relevant today.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course all of that ducks my post.