Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Shusha]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

 

[Art__Allm]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then.

What a BS! Most Zionist settlers were white Europeans (Ashkenazi), they were descendants of Slavs and Khazars who converted to Judaism in the 10th century or even later.
Semitic Jews (Mizrahi) were fooled by white Ashkenazi to move to Israel, due to Mossad's false flag attacks in Arab countries tensions were created between Arabs of Jewish and Muslim persuasion, and Jewish Arabs are de facto second class citizens in Israel, that is the reason why they hate white Ashkenazim so much.

By adopting their language...

Hebrew was a dead language even at the time of Jesus Christ, he spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was just a language, used in liturgy. Crazy Zionists invented "Ivrith" in the 20th century, this artificial language has nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew, because nobody knows how the words were pronounced in this ancient and for more than 2000 years dead language. Today Ivrith is basically a Slavic langauge in which some words are taken from Hebrew, with an invented pronounciation.

The native language of Ashkenazi was Yiddish, a Slavic language with German vocabulary.
The native language of Arab Jews is Arabic language.
So any Jew, who settles in Israel, has to learn an invented language (Ivrith), which was never a native language neither to Jews who were born before 1948, nor to their ancestors.

...their religion...

Most Zionists are atheists, they do not care a rat's ass about Judaism. If you are a Russian who eats pork and speaks only Russian, but can prove that you had a Jewish grandmother, you can move to Israel and get Israeli citizenship.

...their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

Ashkenazim and Arab Jews have totally different cultures, they speak different languages, they hate each others in Israel. They even have segregated schools, because white Jews think that swarthy Oriental Jews have a lower IQ.

The only thing that unites Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews is their believe in their own "choosinesses", any Arab Jews is culturally and linguistically closer to Arabs, and any Russian Jew is culturally and linguistically closer to Russians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then.

What a BS! Most Zionist settlers were white Europeans (Ashkenazi), they were descendants of Slavs and Khazars who converted to Judaism in the 10th century or even later.
Semitic Jews (Mizrahi) were fooled by white Ashkenazi to move to Israel, due to Mossad's false flag attacks in Arab countries tensions were created between Arabs of Jewish and Muslim persuasion, and Jewish Arabs are de facto second class citizens in Israel, that is the reason why they hate white Ashkenazim so much.

By adopting their language...

Hebrew was a dead language even at the time of Jesus Christ, he spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was just a language, used in liturgy. Crazy Zionists invented "Ivrith" in the 20th century, this artificial language has nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew, because nobody knows how the words were pronounced in this ancient and for more than 2000 years dead language. Today Ivrith is basically a Slavic langauge in which some words are taken from Hebrew, with an invented pronounciation.

The native language of Ashkenazi was Yiddish, a Slavic language with German vocabulary.
The native language of Arab Jews is Arabic language.
So any Jew, who settles in Israel, has to learn an invented language (Ivrith), which was never a native language neither to Jews who were born before 1948, nor to their ancestors.

...their religion...

Most Zionists are atheists, they do not care a rat's ass about Judaism. If you are a Russian who eats pork and speaks only Russian, but can prove that you had a Jewish grandmother, you can move to Israel and get Israeli citizenship.

...their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

Ashkenazim and Arab Jews have totally different cultures, they speak different languages, they hate each others in Israel. They even have segregated schools, because white Jews think that swarthy Oriental Jews have a lower IQ.

The only thing that unites Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews is their believe in their own "choosinesses", any Arab Jews is culturally and linguistically closer to Arabs, and any Russian Jew is culturally and linguistically closer to Russians.

The only way there would be "Arab Jews" is if ethnically Arab people converted to Judaism.

Speaking a language, the Arabic language, does not make one an Arab, any more than speaking English makes one an indigenous English person.

But, believe in all you wrote all you want. You will never be able to change the truth, no matter how many times you repeat it or spit on the Jews, the way you were taught to do.

 

[Shusha]

It really doesn't matter what your culture is, → where your linage originates, → or where you were personally born. We all (even the Hostile Arab Palestinians) have the right of self-determination AND may freely determine our political status and pursue our collective economic, social and cultural development.

The Arab Palestinian has not exclusivity to this right.

Well, certainly you can say that in May 1948, the Regional Area was invaded by a half dozen Arab League States. So yes, 'there is some truth to that statement.

Wrong yet again...

Beyond his, of the five Arab regular Arab regular armies, one(That of Lebanon) never crossed the international frontier with Palestine,two(those of Iraq and Transjordan) scrupulously refrained from crossing the frontiers of the Jewish state laid down in the United Nation plan as per secret Jordanian understandings with both Britain and the Zionist leadership and thus never "invaded" Israel, and one ( that of Syria) made only minor inroads across the new Israeli state's frontiers.The only serious and long lasting incursion into the territory of the Jewish state as laid under the partition plan was that of the Egyptian army. Meanwhile the fiercest fighting during 48 war took place with the Jordanian army during multiple Israeli OFFENSIVES into area assigned by the UN to the Arab state. This story of an invasion by multiple, massive Arab armies, and other legends, is not just an important element of the Israeli myth of origin: it's a nearly universal myth."

The Regional Area, delineated by the Mandate for Palestine, was invaded by Jordan, Egypt, Syria by your own admission above, along with Iraqi forces.

All of those four States crossed an international border into territory NOT under their sovereignty with military forces and the intention of removing the government of territory NOT under their sovereignty. That is the very definition of an act of aggression and war.

UNGA 181 was rejected by the Arabs. Had it been accepted, there would have been NO need for military action. The new borders between Israel and Jordan/Egypt would have been set with the swipe of a pen. The invasion of armies across international lines was entirely unnecessary if a peaceful acceptance of UNGA 181 was the goal.

 

[JoelT1]

Most Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and the region, linked by DNA.

Archaeologists discover ancient Jewish synagogue in Israel

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting.

Wrong yet again...I think I would go into cardiac arrest if I ever encountered one of you delusional cultists who was capable of articulating the facts:
The "Invading Arab Armies" Israeli Zionist myth debunked!
Rasheed Khalidi in "The Iron Cage"
"To revisit one of the most important of these myths about the infant state of Israel, the number of Arab armies that invaded Israel after it's establishment is described in a range of standard accounts as ranging from five to seven. However, there were only seven independent Arab states in 1948 (some hardly independent, and some hardly sates in any meaningful sense of the word), two of which,Saudi Arabia and Yemen, did not even have regular armies and no means of getting any armed forces they might have had to Palestine.Beyond his, of the five Arab regular Arab regular armies, one(That of Lebanon) never crossed the international frontier with Palestine,two(those of Iraq and Transjordan) scrupulously refrained from crossing the frontiers of the Jewish state laid down in the United Nation plan as per secret Jordanian understandings with both Britain and the Zionist leadership and thus never "invaded" Israel, and one ( that of Syria) made only minor inroads across the new Israeli state's frontiers.The only serious and long lasting incursion into the territory of the Jewish state as laid under the partition plan was that of the Egyptian army. Meanwhile the fiercest fighting during 48 war took place with the Jordanian army during multiple Israeli OFFENSIVES into area assigned by the UN to the Arab state. This story of an invasion by multiple, massive Arab armies, and other legends, is not just an important element of the Israeli myth of origin: it's a nearly universal myth."

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse the shear number of Arab League member participating in the 1948 War of Independence, which is different from the Arab League Order of Battle which outlines the magnitude and contributions made to the war effort --- and the overall organization. This Arab OB was faced an Opposing Force (OPFOR) in the form of the Israeli Order of Battle for the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

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If you examine the OB, you will find the combat ration is about 3+:2, in favor of the Arabs. (Ground Forces Only) The Saudi Contingent of 1 Brigade was assigned to the Egyptian 3d Division. The Egyptian Army had a paper strength of 50,000. But the initial deployment was ≈ 10,000 Israel and gradually grew to 40,000 by the end of 1948, and included volunteers from Sudan, Tunisia and Libya.

Yemeni Volunteers were assigned to support Jordanians moving on Jerusalem.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Ventura77]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting.

Wrong yet again...I think I would go into cardiac arrest if I ever encountered one of you delusional cultists who was capable of articulating the facts:
The "Invading Arab Armies" Israeli Zionist myth debunked!
Rasheed Khalidi in "The Iron Cage"
"To revisit one of the most important of these myths about the infant state of Israel, the number of Arab armies that invaded Israel after it's establishment is described in a range of standard accounts as ranging from five to seven. However, there were only seven independent Arab states in 1948 (some hardly independent, and some hardly sates in any meaningful sense of the word), two of which,Saudi Arabia and Yemen, did not even have regular armies and no means of getting any armed forces they might have had to Palestine.Beyond his, of the five Arab regular Arab regular armies, one(That of Lebanon) never crossed the international frontier with Palestine,two(those of Iraq and Transjordan) scrupulously refrained from crossing the frontiers of the Jewish state laid down in the United Nation plan as per secret Jordanian understandings with both Britain and the Zionist leadership and thus never "invaded" Israel, and one ( that of Syria) made only minor inroads across the new Israeli state's frontiers.The only serious and long lasting incursion into the territory of the Jewish state as laid under the partition plan was that of the Egyptian army. Meanwhile the fiercest fighting during 48 war took place with the Jordanian army during multiple Israeli OFFENSIVES into area assigned by the UN to the Arab state. This story of an invasion by multiple, massive Arab armies, and other legends, is not just an important element of the Israeli myth of origin: it's a nearly universal myth."

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse the shear number of Arab League member participating in the 1948 War of Independence, which is different from the Arab League Order of Battle which outlines the magnitude and contributions made to the war effort --- and the overall organization. This Arab OB was faced an Opposing Force (OPFOR) in the form of the Israeli Order of Battle for the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

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If you examine the OB, you will find the combat ration is about 3+:2, in favor of the Arabs. (Ground Forces Only) The Saudi Contingent of 1 Brigade was assigned to the Egyptian 3d Division. The Egyptian Army had a paper strength of 50,000. But the initial deployment was ≈ 10,000 Israel and gradually grew to 40,000 by the end of 1948, and included volunteers from Sudan, Tunisia and Libya.

Yemeni Volunteers were assigned to support Jordanians moving on Jerusalem.

Most Respectfully,
R

Face the obvious fact that not unlike everything else the Jews claim the 'Five Arab Armies' was a bald-faced lie...the Jewish forces were numerically superior to the fragmented opposing forces, which entered the fray days after the Zionist ethnic-cleansing offensive began---and not---as Zionist propaganda affirms---after the declaration of statehood, which was also illegitimate...

 

[JoelT1]

No history of “palestinians” a made-up word by the British

Ancient Jewish village in Israel Gallery: WHC 2015 – Beth She’arim Necropolis - a Landmark of Jewish Revival (Israel)

 

[Ventura77]

It really doesn't matter what your culture is, → where your linage originates, → or where you were personally born. We all (even the Hostile Arab Palestinians) have the right of self-determination AND may freely determine our political status and pursue our collective economic, social and cultural development.

The Arab Palestinian has not exclusivity to this right.

Well, certainly you can say that in May 1948, the Regional Area was invaded by a half dozen Arab League States. So yes, 'there is some truth to that statement.

Wrong yet again...

Beyond his, of the five Arab regular Arab regular armies, one(That of Lebanon) never crossed the international frontier with Palestine,two(those of Iraq and Transjordan) scrupulously refrained from crossing the frontiers of the Jewish state laid down in the United Nation plan as per secret Jordanian understandings with both Britain and the Zionist leadership and thus never "invaded" Israel, and one ( that of Syria) made only minor inroads across the new Israeli state's frontiers.The only serious and long lasting incursion into the territory of the Jewish state as laid under the partition plan was that of the Egyptian army. Meanwhile the fiercest fighting during 48 war took place with the Jordanian army during multiple Israeli OFFENSIVES into area assigned by the UN to the Arab state. This story of an invasion by multiple, massive Arab armies, and other legends, is not just an important element of the Israeli myth of origin: it's a nearly universal myth."

The Regional Area, delineated by the Mandate for Palestine, was invaded by Jordan, Egypt, Syria by your own admission above, along with Iraqi forces.

All of those four States crossed an international border into territory NOT under their sovereignty with military forces and the intention of removing the government of territory NOT under their sovereignty. That is the very definition of an act of aggression and war.

UNGA 181 was rejected by the Arabs. Had it been accepted, there would have been NO need for military action. The new borders between Israel and Jordan/Egypt would have been set with the swipe of a pen. The invasion of armies across international lines was entirely unnecessary if a peaceful acceptance of UNGA 181 was the goal.

Good Grief your ignorance is remarkable!!! The Arabs rejected #181 because it ludicrously ceded 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority the legally owned less than 5% of the land...apparently you are completely ignorant of Plan Dalet and the pre-state conspiracy to drive all of the Arabs from Palestine once statehood is secured...those are the very words of Menachem Begin...once again your argument is with the first round of Israeli leaders...LOL

 

[Ventura77]

No history of “palestinians”

Ancient Jewish village in Israel Gallery: WHC 2015 – Beth She’arim Necropolis - a Landmark of Jewish Revival (Israel)

Your historical ignorance is astonishing...perhaps you should briefly consult the writings of Hiam Weitzman...Theodore Herzl...Vladamir Jabotinsky...David Ben Gurion...etc---all of whom admitted to the long-standing residency rights of the majority Arab Palestinians...do you slugs really believe your own lies?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Exactly correct PF...literally every aspect of the Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE...

(COMMENT)

I mean, we really have to chuckle at this; if this is all the mantra you offer. This is intellectually dishonest.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's Declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of colonial settlers. The foreign Jewish agency established the government of Israel against the wishes of the vast majority of the population. This government was imposed on Palestine by military force.

(COMMENT)

It really doesn't matter what your culture is, → where your linage originates, → or where you were personally born. We all (even the Hostile Arab Palestinians) have the right of self-determination AND may freely determine our political status and pursue our collective economic, social and cultural development.

The Arab Palestinian has not exclusivity to this right.

By the way, the "Jewish Agency" was a requirement of the Allied Powers; under Article 4 of the Mandate. Now the Arab Palestinian can complain all they want; but the fact of the matter is that several times the Arab Higher Committee was ask to to form a "Arab Agency" → but declined to participate in the develop of any self-governing institutions in the territory.

The Government was not imposed by force. The outbreak of hostilities between the Allied Powers and the Central Powers had consequences. One of those consequence was the fall of four Empires; one of which is the Ottoman Empire that included the Middle East. The territory that the Hostile Arab Palestinians are trying to claim, was not under Arab Sovereignty to start with; not for more than a thousand years.

Not so. Palestine is under attack by foreign forces.

(COMMENT)

Well, certainly you can say that in May 1948, the Regional Area was invaded by a half dozen Arab League States. So yes, 'there is some truth to that statement.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is indeed ironic that you refer to the majority population of Palestine as 'hostile' considering the actions and intent of the Jewish terror-groups...European Jews had zero claim over any of the land in historic Palestine...HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Ventura77]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

No they are not for the umteenth time: the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Sephardic Jews...they are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism: Turks...Mongols...Russians...Poles...etc

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

No they are not for the umteenth time: the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Sephardic Jews...they are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism: Turks...Mongols...Russians...Poles...etc

Where would the proof be that the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Israelites (it is not Sepharadic, you do not even know the meaning of the word )

I would guess that for you it would not matter posting links debunking the Khazar nonsense, so I will not bother.

Not counting that you do not know who from the Khazar Monarchy actually did convert to Judaism, which would have been but a drop in the bucket in Europe, considering all the Jews who had lived in Europe from the time of the destruction of the First Temple.

But..........go ahead, go on and believe what you wish.

Facts have never gotten in the way of anyone when it comes with alleging this or that about Jews.

Jews have only had nearly 2000 years of those endless allegations.

One must wonder where it started.

But it surely looks like there is no end in sight.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

The point remaining that the Zionists completely disregarded the letter of the mandate insomuch as the right of the native majority were completely ignored...the Allied Powers lacked any authority to impose a demographic shift without the consent of the majority population...

 

[Shusha]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then.

What a BS! Most Zionist settlers were white Europeans (Ashkenazi), they were descendants of Slavs and Khazars who converted to Judaism in the 10th century or even later.
Semitic Jews (Mizrahi) were fooled by white Ashkenazi to move to Israel, due to Mossad's false flag attacks in Arab countries tensions were created between Arabs of Jewish and Muslim persuasion, and Jewish Arabs are de facto second class citizens in Israel, that is the reason why they hate white Ashkenazim so much.

By adopting their language...

Hebrew was a dead language even at the time of Jesus Christ, he spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was just a language, used in liturgy. Crazy Zionists invented "Ivrith" in the 20th century, this artificial language has nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew, because nobody knows how the words were pronounced in this ancient and for more than 2000 years dead language. Today Ivrith is basically a Slavic langauge in which some words are taken from Hebrew, with an invented pronounciation.

The native language of Ashkenazi was Yiddish, a Slavic language with German vocabulary.
The native language of Arab Jews is Arabic language.
So any Jew, who settles in Israel, has to learn an invented language (Ivrith), which was never a native language neither to Jews who were born before 1948, nor to their ancestors.

...their religion...

Most Zionists are atheists, they do not care a rat's ass about Judaism. If you are a Russian who eats pork and speaks only Russian, but can prove that you had a Jewish grandmother, you can move to Israel and get Israeli citizenship.

...their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

Ashkenazim and Arab Jews have totally different cultures, they speak different languages, they hate each others in Israel. They even have segregated schools, because white Jews think that swarthy Oriental Jews have a lower IQ.

The only thing that unites Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews is their believe in their own "choosinesses", any Arab Jews is culturally and linguistically closer to Arabs, and any Russian Jew is culturally and linguistically closer to Russians.

Just another hate filled rant about how Jews are somehow not a "people" and don't "count" with respect to the rights other peoples have. And the Hebrew language is not dead. You wanna know how I know? Because I can communicate with people in Hebrew -- like this:

עם ישראל חי

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

When one's enemy has made it clear that they do intend to kill each and every one of your people, "ethnic cleansing" is a much more moral way of getting rid of the enemy than killing them all, which would have been not only an impossibility, but something that Jews simply do not do.

Plan Dalet was a plan amongst many other plans, which was NEVER implemented. They chose another plan.

But what do you care.