Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

The point remaining that the Zionists completely disregarded the letter of the mandate insomuch as the right of the native majority were completely ignored...the Allied Powers lacked any authority to impose a demographic shift without the consent of the majority population...

The NATIVES are the Jews, and it was the ARABS who first attacked Jews in 1920 and then afterwards until 1948, and after that.

Do you really think the Indigenous Jews were going to just sit there like ducks and allow themselves to end up being killed, slaughtered as they were in Europe, or as they usually were by the Muslim Arabs and Turks during the 1300 year Muslim conquest over their land?

When are you going to bother to educate yourself about the history of the region and how Muslims treated Jews for 1300 years before WWI?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

The term "army or armies" meant different things to different people at the time; depending n how they terms are used. Clearly, the Arab - Holy War Army was still smaller yet.

Face the obvious fact that not unlike everything else the Jews claim the 'Five Arab Armies' was a bald-faced lie...the Jewish forces were numerically superior to the fragmented opposing forces, which entered the fray days after the Zionist ethnic-cleansing offensive began---and not---as Zionist propaganda affirms---after the declaration of statehood, which was also illegitimate...

(COMMENT)

The Arab Forces were actually superior in terms of numbers by a ratio of 3+:2 ---. You would probably be correct that the Israeli Forces were superior in terms of tactics and resource allocation; as well as battlefield tactical intelligence.

It goes without saying that the Arab-Palestinians (and most of the Middle Eastern Arabs) will avoid the issue of contemporary solutions in favor of painting the Israeli in the darkest fashion as the villain. It doesn't change the facts and the ground truth. The Arab Palestinian is not interested in any way, shape or form, n forging a peaceful settlement. They would rather argue about the decisions of the past by the Ottomans Empire//Turkish Republic, the Allied Powers, and the various factions that we called today "Arabs;" then attempt to approach the problem of settlement from a reasonable perspective. This very trail of a dialog is an example of such. And as long as the Arab Palestinian are pledged enemies of the Israelis, it is not likely that the Israelis will ever relinquish strategic territorial holding back to a people that will attempt to make a military advantage of it.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Ventura77]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

No they are not for the umteenth time: the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Sephardic Jews...they are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism: Turks...Mongols...Russians...Poles...etc

Where would the proof be that the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Israelites (it is not Sepharadic, you do not even know the meaning of the word )

I would guess that for you it would not matter posting links debunking the Khazar nonsense, so I will not bother.

Not counting that you do not know who from the Khazar Monarchy actually did convert to Judaism, which would have been but a drop in the bucket in Europe, considering all the Jews who had lived in Europe from the time of the destruction of the First Temple.

But..........go ahead, go on and believe what you wish.

Facts have never gotten in the way of anyone when it comes with alleging this or that about Jews.

Jews have only had nearly 2000 years of those endless allegations.

One must wonder where it started.

But it surely looks like there is no end in sight.

NEXT TIME TAKE A STAB AT PROVING YOUR GIBBERISH:
Your lead with ignorance---BIG SHOCK....put aside your smugness a second: Sephardic Jews are 'Arabized' Jews who resided in East Jerusalem prior to the arrival of the Zionist Ashkenazis....An Israeli geneticist proved that 90% of Israelis have no DNA connection to the ancient Jews, and are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism...

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.
What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.


Geneticists report that less than 2% of “Jews” living in Israel are actually Israelites. Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.
The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.

“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

 

[Ventura77]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then.

What a BS! Most Zionist settlers were white Europeans (Ashkenazi), they were descendants of Slavs and Khazars who converted to Judaism in the 10th century or even later.
Semitic Jews (Mizrahi) were fooled by white Ashkenazi to move to Israel, due to Mossad's false flag attacks in Arab countries tensions were created between Arabs of Jewish and Muslim persuasion, and Jewish Arabs are de facto second class citizens in Israel, that is the reason why they hate white Ashkenazim so much.

By adopting their language...

Hebrew was a dead language even at the time of Jesus Christ, he spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was just a language, used in liturgy. Crazy Zionists invented "Ivrith" in the 20th century, this artificial language has nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew, because nobody knows how the words were pronounced in this ancient and for more than 2000 years dead language. Today Ivrith is basically a Slavic langauge in which some words are taken from Hebrew, with an invented pronounciation.

The native language of Ashkenazi was Yiddish, a Slavic language with German vocabulary.
The native language of Arab Jews is Arabic language.
So any Jew, who settles in Israel, has to learn an invented language (Ivrith), which was never a native language neither to Jews who were born before 1948, nor to their ancestors.

...their religion...

Most Zionists are atheists, they do not care a rat's ass about Judaism. If you are a Russian who eats pork and speaks only Russian, but can prove that you had a Jewish grandmother, you can move to Israel and get Israeli citizenship.

...their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

Ashkenazim and Arab Jews have totally different cultures, they speak different languages, they hate each others in Israel. They even have segregated schools, because white Jews think that swarthy Oriental Jews have a lower IQ.

The only thing that unites Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews is their believe in their own "choosinesses", any Arab Jews is culturally and linguistically closer to Arabs, and any Russian Jew is culturally and linguistically closer to Russians.

Just another hate filled rant about how Jews are somehow not a "people" and don't "count" with respect to the rights other peoples have. And the Hebrew language is not dead. You wanna know how I know? Because I can communicate with people in Hebrew -- like this:

עם ישראל חי

Apparently anyone who dare to question Jewish claims is axiomatically "hate filled'....LOL

 

[Sixties Fan]

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

No they are not for the umteenth time: the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Sephardic Jews...they are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism: Turks...Mongols...Russians...Poles...etc

Where would the proof be that the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Israelites (it is not Sepharadic, you do not even know the meaning of the word )

I would guess that for you it would not matter posting links debunking the Khazar nonsense, so I will not bother.

Not counting that you do not know who from the Khazar Monarchy actually did convert to Judaism, which would have been but a drop in the bucket in Europe, considering all the Jews who had lived in Europe from the time of the destruction of the First Temple.

But..........go ahead, go on and believe what you wish.

Facts have never gotten in the way of anyone when it comes with alleging this or that about Jews.

Jews have only had nearly 2000 years of those endless allegations.

One must wonder where it started.

But it surely looks like there is no end in sight.

NEXT TIME TAKE A STAB AT PROVING YOUR GIBBERISH:
Your lead with ignorance---BIG SHOCK....put aside your smugness a second: Sephardic Jews are 'Arabized' Jews who resided in East Jerusalem prior to the arrival of the Zionist Ashkenazis....An Israeli geneticist proved that 90% of Israelis have no DNA connection to the ancient Jews, and are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism...

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.
What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.


Geneticists report that less than 2% of “Jews” living in Israel are actually Israelites. Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.
The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.

“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

Here, educate yourself and stop being annoyingly ignorant:

Sephardi Jews - Wikipedia

Sephardim

Sephardic, Ashkenazic, Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews | My Jewish Learning

 

[Sixties Fan]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then.

What a BS! Most Zionist settlers were white Europeans (Ashkenazi), they were descendants of Slavs and Khazars who converted to Judaism in the 10th century or even later.
Semitic Jews (Mizrahi) were fooled by white Ashkenazi to move to Israel, due to Mossad's false flag attacks in Arab countries tensions were created between Arabs of Jewish and Muslim persuasion, and Jewish Arabs are de facto second class citizens in Israel, that is the reason why they hate white Ashkenazim so much.

By adopting their language...

Hebrew was a dead language even at the time of Jesus Christ, he spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was just a language, used in liturgy. Crazy Zionists invented "Ivrith" in the 20th century, this artificial language has nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew, because nobody knows how the words were pronounced in this ancient and for more than 2000 years dead language. Today Ivrith is basically a Slavic langauge in which some words are taken from Hebrew, with an invented pronounciation.

The native language of Ashkenazi was Yiddish, a Slavic language with German vocabulary.
The native language of Arab Jews is Arabic language.
So any Jew, who settles in Israel, has to learn an invented language (Ivrith), which was never a native language neither to Jews who were born before 1948, nor to their ancestors.

...their religion...

Most Zionists are atheists, they do not care a rat's ass about Judaism. If you are a Russian who eats pork and speaks only Russian, but can prove that you had a Jewish grandmother, you can move to Israel and get Israeli citizenship.

...their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

Ashkenazim and Arab Jews have totally different cultures, they speak different languages, they hate each others in Israel. They even have segregated schools, because white Jews think that swarthy Oriental Jews have a lower IQ.

The only thing that unites Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews is their believe in their own "choosinesses", any Arab Jews is culturally and linguistically closer to Arabs, and any Russian Jew is culturally and linguistically closer to Russians.

Just another hate filled rant about how Jews are somehow not a "people" and don't "count" with respect to the rights other peoples have. And the Hebrew language is not dead. You wanna know how I know? Because I can communicate with people in Hebrew -- like this:

עם ישראל חי

Apparently anyone who dare to question Jewish claims is axiomatically "hate filled'....LOL

Nope, you are just blatantly ignorant with no hope of being educated in any manner or form

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

The point remaining that the Zionists completely disregarded the letter of the mandate insomuch as the right of the native majority were completely ignored...the Allied Powers lacked any authority to impose a demographic shift without the consent of the majority population...

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are going to have to school me here.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

(COMMENT)

So, in 1920, when the Allied Powers at San Remo made the determination --- What were the "civil rights" of an Arab in the Middle East in 1920?

The Mandate was written in 1920 by the Allied Powers and published in 1922. The UN Charter was presented in San Fransisco in 1945. The UN Charter rolled-over the Mandates pursuant to Article 77 of the Charter.

The Recommendations of the UN Special Commission of Palestine (UNSCOP) was approved by the GA in November 1947. This was a consequence of the decision (the only course now open was to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations) announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947.

Most Respectfully,
R

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

Your “ethnic cleansing” slogan is another of the unsupported slogans that drench your tirades.

 

[Shusha]

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

Neither the presence of Jewish people nor the sovereignty of the Jewish people infringes upon the civil and religious rights of the Arab inhabitants. No people have a right to prevent another peoples from self-determination and sovereignty. Which means as bottom line that the rights of both peoples must be addressed.

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

The majority argument is irrelevant and an intentional distraction from the legal facts. The entire basis of human rights laws and international humanitarian law is based on the equality of peoples, especially the rights of minorities. Are you going to try to argue that the Catalans have no rights to self-determination or sovereignty because they are a minority? It would be a foolish argument. And its just as foolish to make that argument against the Jewish people.

ALL peoples have the right to self-determination and sovereignty. ALL. Not some. ALL. That includes the Jewish people.

The British government had every legal right, granted by the international community, to uphold the already existing rights of the Jewish people to a sovereign homeland. That homeland was written into international law by the international community acting at the time. It fulfills the legal requirements of the Mandate, rather than violates them.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

The term "army or armies" meant different things to different people at the time; depending n how they terms are used. Clearly, the Arab - Holy War Army was still smaller yet.

Face the obvious fact that not unlike everything else the Jews claim the 'Five Arab Armies' was a bald-faced lie...the Jewish forces were numerically superior to the fragmented opposing forces, which entered the fray days after the Zionist ethnic-cleansing offensive began---and not---as Zionist propaganda affirms---after the declaration of statehood, which was also illegitimate...

(COMMENT)

The Arab Forces were actually superior in terms of numbers by a ratio of 3+:2 ---. You would probably be correct that the Israeli Forces were superior in terms of tactics and resource allocation; as well as battlefield tactical intelligence.

It goes without saying that the Arab-Palestinians (and most of the Middle Eastern Arabs) will avoid the issue of contemporary solutions in favor of painting the Israeli in the darkest fashion as the villain. It doesn't change the facts and the ground truth. The Arab Palestinian is not interested in any way, shape or form, n forging a peaceful settlement. They would rather argue about the decisions of the past by the Ottomans Empire//Turkish Republic, the Allied Powers, and the various factions that we called today "Arabs;" then attempt to approach the problem of settlement from a reasonable perspective. This very trail of a dialog is an example of such. And as long as the Arab Palestinian are pledged enemies of the Israelis, it is not likely that the Israelis will ever relinquish strategic territorial holding back to a people that will attempt to make a military advantage of it.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only the Syrian and Egyptian forces crossed into Palestine and engaged the Zionist militias and terror-groups---Irgun, Hagganah, Stern Gang, Lehi...etc. The combined Arab forces were estimated at 40,000 contrasted with Zionist forces estimated at 125,000

 

[Hollie]

Mandate for Palestine (excerpts)

Preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration.

Gosh you apparently missed this trivial little line: ( and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. )

The British Colonial Authority was in no legal/moral/ethical position to mandate the imposition of a Jewish Homeland where Jews were the minority...hence the Mandate is contradicted by the UN charter, which stipulates that the property right of native peoples shall be protected from encroachment...Zionists were in violation of both the Mandate and the Partition-Plan #181

Exactly how did the British and the French get in the position to administer 4 Mandates, not just Palestine?

How did it happen? What led to it?

If the Mandate for Palestine is not valid, than what about the other three Mandates? How about Jordan?

The Zionists are a part of the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, change it as you like, as much as you like.
They are as much the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, as are the Jews who were living in Arab conquered land in Asia, or North Africa.
Or the Jews who were now living in the Americas.
Or the Jews still living in the land of Israel at that time.


One cannot change who the native indigenous people of any land are, simply because one of the groups happens to be Jewish.

No they are not for the umteenth time: the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Sephardic Jews...they are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism: Turks...Mongols...Russians...Poles...etc

Where would the proof be that the Zionists have no DNA connection to the ancient Israelites (it is not Sepharadic, you do not even know the meaning of the word )

I would guess that for you it would not matter posting links debunking the Khazar nonsense, so I will not bother.

Not counting that you do not know who from the Khazar Monarchy actually did convert to Judaism, which would have been but a drop in the bucket in Europe, considering all the Jews who had lived in Europe from the time of the destruction of the First Temple.

But..........go ahead, go on and believe what you wish.

Facts have never gotten in the way of anyone when it comes with alleging this or that about Jews.

Jews have only had nearly 2000 years of those endless allegations.

One must wonder where it started.

But it surely looks like there is no end in sight.

NEXT TIME TAKE A STAB AT PROVING YOUR GIBBERISH:
Your lead with ignorance---BIG SHOCK....put aside your smugness a second: Sephardic Jews are 'Arabized' Jews who resided in East Jerusalem prior to the arrival of the Zionist Ashkenazis....An Israeli geneticist proved that 90% of Israelis have no DNA connection to the ancient Jews, and are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism...

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.
What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.


Geneticists report that less than 2% of “Jews” living in Israel are actually Israelites. Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.
The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.

“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

I think it’s important to point out that plagiarizing / cutting and pasting entire portions of a religious fundamentalist blog is hardly a convincing argument.

"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham

 

[Sixties Fan]

One really should know the people who write some anti Jewish articles to learn Why they do it

Texe Marrs - Wikipedia

Additionally, Texe Marrs has promoted a book, The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World is Not a Moving Globe, by Edward Hendrie, which seriously argues that the planet Earth is immobile and flat, based on an interpretation of the Bible.[15][16] Marrs also offers Hendrie's book asserting this argument through his ministry,[17] and books by Hendrie alleging that the world is being manipulated by a vast Jewish-Catholic conspiracy.[18]

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Ooops, the world is flat !!

 

[Shusha]

Good Grief your ignorance is remarkable!!!

Good grief your inability to address the topic being discussed is remarkable! The question on the table was whether or not a number of Arab States illegally committed an act of aggression on territory that did not belong to them.

The Arabs rejected #181 because it ludicrously ceded 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority the legally owned less than 5% of the land..

And you, like many others, confuse the concepts of individual land ownership with sovereignty. The Arabs rejected a 50/50ish split of the territory into to nations for two peoples. There is nothing unfair or unreasonable about dividing the territory into two parts -- one for the Arabs and one for the Jewish people. (Well, actually that is not true -- it is unfair in that the Arabs had already been given 77% of the territory, but....we won't get into that.)

You are, in fact, confirming my point. If the goal was to divide the territory into a place for the Jewish homeland and a place for the Arab "Palestinian" homeland -- there would have been no need for aggression and war. A swipe of a pen. The POINT of the aggression was to remove any Jewish sovereignty in the territory. If you listen to Fatah and Hamas -- that is STILL the goal.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...

Are you aware of just how many ethnic cleansings and population transfers have occurred in the past 100 years? Especially in the aftermath of WWs I and WWII?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

The term "army or armies" meant different things to different people at the time; depending n how they terms are used. Clearly, the Arab - Holy War Army was still smaller yet.

Face the obvious fact that not unlike everything else the Jews claim the 'Five Arab Armies' was a bald-faced lie...the Jewish forces were numerically superior to the fragmented opposing forces, which entered the fray days after the Zionist ethnic-cleansing offensive began---and not---as Zionist propaganda affirms---after the declaration of statehood, which was also illegitimate...

(COMMENT)

The Arab Forces were actually superior in terms of numbers by a ratio of 3+:2 ---. You would probably be correct that the Israeli Forces were superior in terms of tactics and resource allocation; as well as battlefield tactical intelligence.

It goes without saying that the Arab-Palestinians (and most of the Middle Eastern Arabs) will avoid the issue of contemporary solutions in favor of painting the Israeli in the darkest fashion as the villain. It doesn't change the facts and the ground truth. The Arab Palestinian is not interested in any way, shape or form, n forging a peaceful settlement. They would rather argue about the decisions of the past by the Ottomans Empire//Turkish Republic, the Allied Powers, and the various factions that we called today "Arabs;" then attempt to approach the problem of settlement from a reasonable perspective. This very trail of a dialog is an example of such. And as long as the Arab Palestinian are pledged enemies of the Israelis, it is not likely that the Israelis will ever relinquish strategic territorial holding back to a people that will attempt to make a military advantage of it.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only the Syrian and Egyptian forces crossed into Palestine and engaged the Zionist militias and terror-groups---Irgun, Hagganah, Stern Gang, Lehi...etc. The combined Arab forces were estimated at 40,000 contrasted with Zionist forces estimated at 125,000

As usual, there is an expectation that absent facts, you simply invent your nonsensical claims or plagiarize from some rather questionable online blogs.

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948


Arab nations Attack Israel


What do the Flat Earth Society folks have to add?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948

It is clear that Asmam Pasha was here referring to the Arab League’s decision at Sofar in September 1947 “to make Palestine a unified independent Arab State”.8​

This would be in line with article 22 of the League of Nations, the UN charter, and international law.

Why would they call that aggression?

 

[Sixties Fan]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

Interesting that when it comes to Jews, some non Jews will give the darnedest interpretation as to what may or may not have been said by any Jew.

Needless to say, the Zionists knew that the land was inhabited.
They knew that there were Jews and non Jews inhabiting the land.

So, how did that "saying" get so lost in translation?

On the Origin, Meaning, Use and Abuse of a Phrase on JSTOR

 

[Sixties Fan]

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948

It is clear that Asmam Pasha was here referring to the Arab League’s decision at Sofar in September 1947 “to make Palestine a unified independent Arab State”.8​

This would be in line with article 22 of the League of Nations, the UN charter, and international law.

Why would they call that aggression?

What? No Jewish State along side the Arab State?

And you think that is International law?

Do you realize that they were speaking of all which was left of the Mandate post the Hashemites taking 78 % of it?

ALL of what was left of it?

What do you think the exercise post Israeli Independence was all about?

To welcome the Jews amongst them as a sovereign State and wish them good luck?

 

[Hollie]

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948

It is clear that Asmam Pasha was here referring to the Arab League’s decision at Sofar in September 1947 “to make Palestine a unified independent Arab State”.8​

This would be in line with article 22 of the League of Nations, the UN charter, and international law.

Why would they call that aggression?

A unified Arab-Islamist state that was Judenrein.

When Arab-Islamist armies crossed the fromtiere subsequent to their stated goal to “drive the Jews into the sea”, I would call that aggression.