Iran Absurd Arguments

[BackAgain]

We had a ceasefire agreed to one of the conditions was that Lebanon and Israel stand down; Israel attacked 100 targets in Lebanon.

So you tell me who is in charge of the Alliance

Were there any folks in Lebanon who had been been shelling or otherwise attacking Israel?

Also, it is disputed that the ceasefire agreement included Lebanon or Hezbollah.
Since, apparently, neither “side” has bothered to publicize the terms of the agreement (was it even reduced to writing?), how can we determine if Lebanon and Hezbollah actually were part of that ceasefire agreement.

Since Israel would be fucked if they didn’t have the U.S. on its side, I’m inclined to conclude that America is the lead in this alliance.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In one sentence you say we're sending negotiators, and then in another you're saying Bibi vetoed it. Which is it?

I need to do drawing in crayon for you. Let me try this first

Trump sent Vance, Witkoff and Jared to Pakistan to finalize the ceasefire, the terms of which were publicly released and included Israel standing down in Lebanon.

Bibi sent his response to the publicized and US agreed to ceasefire by bombing 100 targets in Lebanon

 

[JWBooth]

Jared is there to represent the interests of the occupiers of Palestine.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I suspect we will end-up having to kill them in wholesale lots.

Iran is still firing wholesale at Gulf State targets. There is no ceasefire as far as what Iran is doing.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Please explain how this ends

Reductio ad absurdum (argument to absurdity) is a logical technique that disproves a statement by showing it leads to an impossible, illogical, or absurd conclusion.

We agree the war is ongoing. Can we agree that sending Mossad Jared and Witkoff to Pakistan as "American" negotiators proves we're totally unserious about any negotiation, there is no off ramp and that the war will only end when one side is clearly victorious?

From Iran's POV they want USA out of the Middle East. They've already made a good case for it by rendering many of our bases inoperative. They are backed by Russia and China who are providing ISR, but, so far no weapons. Their capacity to continue the fight is robust.

From the USA/Israel "Alliance" POV we have to default to what Bibi and Greater Israel wants. If you had any doubts before, it is now embarrassingly obvious that Bibi is the lead partner in the USA/Israeli relationship. Trump crafted an off-ramp through Pakistan, Bibi vetoed it. From our senior partners POV, they want Iran, the entire Middle East destabilized so that they will rule the world. They want to destroy Iran as a nation and take down the GCC in the process and thought that Trump would do it for them.

How does this end, who "wins"?

Hats Off to Adolf!

It's ends with your hero blowing his brains out in a bunker.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Bugger-off you POS.

Both Sides Brainwashed into Committing Suicide

Zavvy actually works for Soros. The One World, Third World will creatly benefit from the self-inflicted collapse of the advanced countries in Cold War II.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't agree with any your absurd conclusions.

Take a Course in the Koran

You don't understand Allah Logic.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Were there any folks in Lebanon who had been been shelling or otherwise attacking Israel?

Also, it is disputed that the ceasefire agreement included Lebanon or Hezbollah.
Since, apparently, neither “side” has bothered to publicize the terms of the agreement (was it even reduced to writing?), how can we determine if Lebanon and Hezbollah actually were part of that ceasefire agreement.

Since Israel would be fucked if they didn’t have the U.S. on its side, I’m inclined to conclude that America is the lead in this alliance.

Iran's 10-point conditions that the US has accepted as "workable":

The US is fundamentally committed to:
Non-aggression
Continuation of Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz
Acceptance of enrichment
Lifting all primary sanctions
Lifting all secondary sanctions
Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
Termination of all IAEA Board of Governors resolutions
Payment of compensation to Iran
Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
Cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.

Trump, supposedly the senior member of the Alliance, said this was an acceptable basis; Bibi vetoed

Therefore American deaths from that point forward are because Bibi was prosecuting his own war and we are just following his orders

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hats Off to Adolf!

It's ends with your hero blowing his brains out in a bunker.

Take your meds

 

[OldFlame]

I need to do drawing in crayon for you. Let me try this first

Trump sent Vance, Witkoff and Jared to Pakistan to finalize the ceasefire, the terms of which were publicly released and included Israel standing down in Lebanon.

Bibi sent his response to the publicized and US agreed to ceasefire by bombing 100 targets in Lebanon

You have yet to prove that Lebanon was part of any agreement.

 

[OldFlame]

Iran's 10-point conditions that the US has accepted as "workable":

The US is fundamentally committed to:
Non-aggression
Continuation of Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz
Acceptance of enrichment
Lifting all primary sanctions
Lifting all secondary sanctions
Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
Termination of all IAEA Board of Governors resolutions
Payment of compensation to Iran
Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
Cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.

Trump, supposedly the senior member of the Alliance, said this was an acceptable basis; Bibi vetoed

Therefore American deaths from that point forward are because Bibi was prosecuting his own war and we are just following his orders

Where did you get that 'list' from?

You've become nothing but a terrorist sympathizer.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where did you get that 'list' from?

Why do you comment?

 

[OldFlame]

Why do you comment?

Can you provide where you got it or not?

 

[toomuchtime_]

We had a ceasefire agreed to one of the conditions was that Lebanon and Israel stand down; Israel attacked 100 targets in Lebanon.

So you tell me who is in charge of the Alliance

Actually there was no US agreement on the subject of Lebanon, just a demand from Iran and Pakistan.

 

[eagle1462010]

We had a ceasefire agreed to one of the conditions was that Lebanon and Israel stand down; Israel attacked 100 targets in Lebanon.

So you tell me who is in charge of the Alliance

 

[eagle1462010]

I need to do drawing in crayon for you. Let me try this first

Trump sent Vance, Witkoff and Jared to Pakistan to finalize the ceasefire, the terms of which were publicly released and included Israel standing down in Lebanon.

Bibi sent his response to the publicized and US agreed to ceasefire by bombing 100 targets in Lebanon

WH SAID NO to Lebanon

We can play this stupid game all day.

If Iran Wants more combat then So be it.

Personally thats best anyway

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

No fan of the Iranian government I was hoping that they would collapse and the Iranian people would take over

This will stain Trump's presidency if he doesn't pull a win out of his ass

Sigh
should have went when the iranian people were burning mosqes

 

[BackAgain]

Iran's 10-point conditions that the US has accepted as "workable":

The US is fundamentally committed to:
Non-aggression
Continuation of Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz
Acceptance of enrichment
Lifting all primary sanctions
Lifting all secondary sanctions
Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
Termination of all IAEA Board of Governors resolutions
Payment of compensation to Iran
Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
Cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.

Trump, supposedly the senior member of the Alliance, said this was an acceptable basis; Bibi vetoed

Therefore American deaths from that point forward are because Bibi was prosecuting his own war and we are just following his orders

Nope.

The United States did not formally agree to Iran’s full 10-point “conditions.” What was agreed to was a temporary two-week ceasefire, while the 10-point plan remained merely a proposal for negotiation, not a binding deal.

Instead (per AI with credible linked support),
U.S. leadership described Iran’s 10-point proposal only as a “workable basis” for negotiations — not something accepted outright.

See, https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ira...-donald-trump-says-proposal-workable-11326086

At some point, you have to concede that if your premises are not correct, then your conclusion doesn’t follow.

 

[Zavulon]

Were there any folks in Lebanon who had been been shelling or otherwise attacking Israel?

Yep. It's Hezbollah, and they followed the order to hold the fire from Iran for many hours, while Israel have been bombing them. But finally, when it became clear that Israel is not going to follow ceasefire, they formally ended it.

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‘In the name of Allah, the most Merciful, the Beneficent: In defense of Lebanon and its people, and in response to the enemy's violation of the ceasefire agreement, after the Resistance adhered to the ceasefire while the enemy did not:

The fighters of the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon targeted the Manara settlement with rockets at 02:30 on Thursday, 09-04-2026.

Our responses will continue until the Israeli-American aggression against our country and our people ceases.’
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Also, it is disputed that the ceasefire agreement included Lebanon or Hezbollah.
Since, apparently, neither “side” has bothered to publicize the terms of the agreement (was it even reduced to writing?), how can we determine if Lebanon and Hezbollah actually were part of that ceasefire agreement.

It's not "disputed". The terms of ceasefire were published by the intermediator, which was Pakistan, and both sides agreed on them.

Since Israel would be fucked if they didn’t have the U.S. on its side, I’m inclined to conclude that America is the lead in this alliance.

If this is US-lead coalition (very big IF) then its clear that Trump wasn't really interested neither in the ceasefire nor in the peace. He was just manipulating oil markets or play some political games.

 

[BackAgain]

Yep. It's Hezbollah, and they followed the order to hold the fire from Iran for many hours, while Israel have been bombing them. But finally, when it became clear that Israel is not going to follow ceasefire, they formally ended it.

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‘In the name of Allah, the most Merciful, the Beneficent: In defense of Lebanon and its people, and in response to the enemy's violation of the ceasefire agreement, after the Resistance adhered to the ceasefire while the enemy did not:

The fighters of the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon targeted the Manara settlement with rockets at 02:30 on Thursday, 09-04-2026.

Our responses will continue until the Israeli-American aggression against our country and our people ceases.’
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It's not "disputed". The terms of ceasefire were published by the intermediator, which was Pakistan, and both sides agreed on them.
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If this is US-lead coalition (very big IF) then its clear that Trump wasn't really interested neither in the ceasefire nor in the peace. He was just manipulating oil markets or play some political games.

Sure.

There is no propaganda which denigrates America or Israel which you won’t buy as though it was real.