Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[JoelT1]

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948

It is clear that Asmam Pasha was here referring to the Arab League’s decision at Sofar in September 1947 “to make Palestine a unified independent Arab State”.8​

This would be in line with article 22 of the League of Nations, the UN charter, and international law.

Why would they call that aggression?

Nowhere did League of Nations or UN reference palestinians, because no such people existed

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

The term "army or armies" meant different things to different people at the time; depending n how they terms are used. Clearly, the Arab - Holy War Army was still smaller yet.

Face the obvious fact that not unlike everything else the Jews claim the 'Five Arab Armies' was a bald-faced lie...the Jewish forces were numerically superior to the fragmented opposing forces, which entered the fray days after the Zionist ethnic-cleansing offensive began---and not---as Zionist propaganda affirms---after the declaration of statehood, which was also illegitimate...

(COMMENT)

The Arab Forces were actually superior in terms of numbers by a ratio of 3+:2 ---. You would probably be correct that the Israeli Forces were superior in terms of tactics and resource allocation; as well as battlefield tactical intelligence.

It goes without saying that the Arab-Palestinians (and most of the Middle Eastern Arabs) will avoid the issue of contemporary solutions in favor of painting the Israeli in the darkest fashion as the villain. It doesn't change the facts and the ground truth. The Arab Palestinian is not interested in any way, shape or form, n forging a peaceful settlement. They would rather argue about the decisions of the past by the Ottomans Empire//Turkish Republic, the Allied Powers, and the various factions that we called today "Arabs;" then attempt to approach the problem of settlement from a reasonable perspective. This very trail of a dialog is an example of such. And as long as the Arab Palestinian are pledged enemies of the Israelis, it is not likely that the Israelis will ever relinquish strategic territorial holding back to a people that will attempt to make a military advantage of it.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only the Syrian and Egyptian forces crossed into Palestine and engaged the Zionist militias and terror-groups---Irgun, Hagganah, Stern Gang, Lehi...etc. The combined Arab forces were estimated at 40,000 contrasted with Zionist forces estimated at 125,000

As usual, there is an expectation that absent facts, you simply invent your nonsensical claims or plagiarize from some rather questionable online blogs.

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948


Arab nations Attack Israel


What do the Flat Earth Society folks have to add?

Silly me how dare I actually quote men like Ben Gurion...Moshe Dayan...Begin...Shamir--all of whom were there and quite candid about events in question....Israel did not yet exist when the fraudulent claim of 'Five Arab armies attacking' went into circulation...Once the Arab States along with India voted down the farcical text of Resolution #181 the Zionists launched a well-planned ethnic-cleansing offensive to steal what they could not acquire through political channels, nearly all of the Arab towns and villages earmarked for the Palestinians in #181 were occupied by Zionist militias within the first day of the terror-offensive...Syrian and Egyptian troops didn't enter the fray until days after the Zionist offensive began...so much for the lie of an Attack on a fictive Israel...

 

[JoelT1]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

Israel has been a land for Jews, the indigenous People, for thousands of years.

Ancient Jewish synagogue in Israel Surprising Mosaics Revealed in Ancient Synagogue in Israel

 

[Ventura77]

...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...

Are you aware of just how many ethnic cleansings and population transfers have occurred in the past 100 years? Especially in the aftermath of WWs I and WWII?

LMFAO...and this excuses the atrocities and injustices perpetrated against the native Palestinians HOW???? What a demonstrably warped sense of debate you evidence...you seems to alternate between lies and Zionist fairy tales of heroic Jewish symbolism, and then essentially say 'Why shouldn't Jews be just as evil as everyone else?" Can you say HYPOCRITE?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinian leaders need to have ‘that’ Santa conversation with their people

 

[JoelT1]

The UN and UPI news had a different reporting of the events.

A/AC.21/JA/12 of 2 February 1948

It is clear that Asmam Pasha was here referring to the Arab League’s decision at Sofar in September 1947 “to make Palestine a unified independent Arab State”.8​

This would be in line with article 22 of the League of Nations, the UN charter, and international law.

Why would they call that aggression?

Palestine originated as a Roman name for Jews’ land, about 2000 years ago, reflecting the ancient Jewish heritage and history of the land

Had Romans not renamed ancient Israel “palaestina,” the word palestine, anglicized by Europeans, would not exist today

 

[Sixties Fan]

...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...

Are you aware of just how many ethnic cleansings and population transfers have occurred in the past 100 years? Especially in the aftermath of WWs I and WWII?

LMFAO...and this excuses the atrocities and injustices perpetrated against the native Palestinians HOW???? What a demonstrably warped sense of debate you evidence...you seems to alternate between lies and Zionist fairy tales of heroic Jewish symbolism, and then essentially say 'Why shouldn't Jews be just as evil as everyone else?" Can you say HYPOCRITE?

I gather you did not read or care to read any of the links I posted or anything else.

And the world will continue to be flat for you and all of those fanatics who have nothing else to do with their lives.

Keep reading your Tex articles and from all other sources.

The loss is yours, not the Jewish People's. They got back sovereignty over part of their ancient land. They are not giving anymore of it to the thieving invading Arabs, who want to NOW call themselves Palestinians.

 

[JoelT1]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

Archaeology doesn’t lie: Ancient Israel The Mesha Stele | Louvre Museum | Paris

Ancient shekel of Israel Ancient Jewish Silver Shekel Coin from Year 1 of the First Revolt - 66 AD

Palestine never existed. Palestine is a lie.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Alan Hart

On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.

As noted in an excellent anniversary briefing paper by IMEU (the American-founded Institute for Middle East Understanding), from the earliest days of modern political Zionism its advocates grappled with the problem of creating a Jewish majority state in a part of the world where Palestinian Arabs were the overwhelming majority of the population.

The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

 

[abi]

NEXT TIME TAKE A STAB AT PROVING YOUR GIBBERISH:
Your lead with ignorance---BIG SHOCK....put aside your smugness a second: Sephardic Jews are 'Arabized' Jews who resided in East Jerusalem prior to the arrival of the Zionist Ashkenazis....An Israeli geneticist proved that 90% of Israelis have no DNA connection to the ancient Jews, and are the direct descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to Judaism...

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.
What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.


Geneticists report that less than 2% of “Jews” living in Israel are actually Israelites. Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.
The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.

“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

This is all true and important for everyone in these discussions to wrap their mind around.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Alan Hart

On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.

As noted in an excellent anniversary briefing paper by IMEU (the American-founded Institute for Middle East Understanding), from the earliest days of modern political Zionism its advocates grappled with the problem of creating a Jewish majority state in a part of the world where Palestinian Arabs were the overwhelming majority of the population.

The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

WAS IT EVER IMPLEMENTED ?

The Jews were attacked from 1920 on, and that Plan Dalet idea was happening during the Arab aggression between 1936 and 1939.
The Arabs wanted to expel or kill all Jews.

What plan would YOU come up with to deal with the Arab plan to kill all the Jews?

 

[Ventura77]

...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...

Are you aware of just how many ethnic cleansings and population transfers have occurred in the past 100 years? Especially in the aftermath of WWs I and WWII?

LMFAO...and this excuses the atrocities and injustices perpetrated against the native Palestinians HOW???? What a demonstrably warped sense of debate you evidence...you seems to alternate between lies and Zionist fairy tales of heroic Jewish symbolism, and then essentially say 'Why shouldn't Jews be just as evil as everyone else?" Can you say HYPOCRITE?

I gather you did not read or care to read any of the links I posted or anything else.

And the world will continue to be flat for you and all of those fanatics who have nothing else to do with their lives.

Keep reading your Tex articles and from all other sources.

The loss is yours, not the Jewish People's. They got back sovereignty over part of their ancient land. They are not giving anymore of it to the thieving invading Arabs, who want to NOW call themselves Palestinians.

I literally howl with laughter at the simpleminded arrogance commonly directed at critics of Israel who are invariably far more informed than them...Try to pay attention here...there will be a test! 'They' didn't get back anything...they are not genetically related to the ancient Jews, they are Ashkenazi Euro-trash...descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to JUDAISM...and even if they were related there is no legal instrument as a 13 century absentee claim...LOL

 

[Sixties Fan]

...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...

Are you aware of just how many ethnic cleansings and population transfers have occurred in the past 100 years? Especially in the aftermath of WWs I and WWII?

LMFAO...and this excuses the atrocities and injustices perpetrated against the native Palestinians HOW???? What a demonstrably warped sense of debate you evidence...you seems to alternate between lies and Zionist fairy tales of heroic Jewish symbolism, and then essentially say 'Why shouldn't Jews be just as evil as everyone else?" Can you say HYPOCRITE?

I gather you did not read or care to read any of the links I posted or anything else.

And the world will continue to be flat for you and all of those fanatics who have nothing else to do with their lives.

Keep reading your Tex articles and from all other sources.

The loss is yours, not the Jewish People's. They got back sovereignty over part of their ancient land. They are not giving anymore of it to the thieving invading Arabs, who want to NOW call themselves Palestinians.

I literally howl with laughter at the simpleminded arrogance commonly directed at critics of Israel who are invariably far more informed than them...Try to pay attention here...there will be a test! 'They' didn't get back anything...they are not genetically related to the ancient Jews, they are Ashkenazi Euro-trash...descendants of eastern European Khazar-converts to JUDAISM...and even if they were related there is no legal instrument as a 13 century absentee claim...LOL

The LOL continues to be on you.

But we shall leave it at that

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Alan Hart

On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.

As noted in an excellent anniversary briefing paper by IMEU (the American-founded Institute for Middle East Understanding), from the earliest days of modern political Zionism its advocates grappled with the problem of creating a Jewish majority state in a part of the world where Palestinian Arabs were the overwhelming majority of the population.

The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

WAS IT EVER IMPLEMENTED ?

The Jews were attacked from 1920 on, and that Plan Dalet idea was happening during the Arab aggression between 1936 and 1939.
The Arabs wanted to expel or kill all Jews.

What plan would YOU come up with to deal with the Arab plan to kill all the Jews?

Nonsense...the Arab aggression against the waves of Zionist immigration was based upon a genuine fear of their political and military intent...a fear that was later entirely justified...

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Alan Hart

On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.

As noted in an excellent anniversary briefing paper by IMEU (the American-founded Institute for Middle East Understanding), from the earliest days of modern political Zionism its advocates grappled with the problem of creating a Jewish majority state in a part of the world where Palestinian Arabs were the overwhelming majority of the population.

The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

WAS IT EVER IMPLEMENTED ?

The Jews were attacked from 1920 on, and that Plan Dalet idea was happening during the Arab aggression between 1936 and 1939.
The Arabs wanted to expel or kill all Jews.

What plan would YOU come up with to deal with the Arab plan to kill all the Jews?

Nonsense...the Arab aggression against the waves of Zionist immigration was based upon a genuine fear of their political and military intent...a fear that was later entirely justified...

I am still laughing. STOP.

You are becoming funnier than any Jewish comedian.

 

[JoelT1]

Ancient shekel of Israel

Silver shekel of the First Jewish Revolt from Rome - Google Arts & Culture

No coins of ancient palestine— Ancient palestine didn’t exist

.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

You are what you are.

Once yet again please endeavor to familiarize yourself with Plan-Dalet, and the writings of pre-state Zionists...the Zionist ethnic-cleansing of Palestine had no legal or moral precedent...it was a criminal action which trampled the dictates of both the British Mandate and 181...

(COMMENT)

In February 1948 the Arab Higher Committee Delegation dispatched a letter to the UN that stress the following:

• 
  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The "PLAN DALET" (now a more than a Half Century Old) was one of four suggestions presented in March 1948 in the shadow of the Arab Threat.

BTW: Was there any real evidence that the Plan was actually acted upon? And, was what the Arab Higher Committee Threatened any different from what you interpret the Israeli Plan to mean?

How do you know that "Zionist" wrote the Plan?

Finally, who trampled on what when?

Press Release PAL/169 17 MAY 1948
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
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Most Respectfully,
R

Israel’s “Plan Dalet”: The Green Light for Zionism’s Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Alan Hart

On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.

As noted in an excellent anniversary briefing paper by IMEU (the American-founded Institute for Middle East Understanding), from the earliest days of modern political Zionism its advocates grappled with the problem of creating a Jewish majority state in a part of the world where Palestinian Arabs were the overwhelming majority of the population.

The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

I was hoping you could plagiarize more material from the folks at the Flat Earth Wannabe website you stole from before.

The folks are a hoot.

"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham

 

[Shusha]

This is all true and important for everyone in these discussions to wrap their mind around.

Have you read Dr. Elhaik's paper? I took a look at it this afternoon.

The interpretation given above is not found in the actual paper, and the paper itself has problems -- not the least of which is trying to compare DNA of modern Ashkenazi Jews with modern Khazars (which do not exist).

Even if the above was true -- it is completely irrelevant to the conflict since the Jewish people are ONE people who have the same rights for self-determination and sovereignty on their ancestral and historical lands as any other peoples do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

Interesting that when it comes to Jews, some non Jews will give the darnedest interpretation as to what may or may not have been said by any Jew.

Needless to say, the Zionists knew that the land was inhabited.
They knew that there were Jews and non Jews inhabiting the land.

So, how did that "saying" get so lost in translation?

On the Origin, Meaning, Use and Abuse of a Phrase on JSTOR

Needless to say, the Zionists knew that the land was inhabited.
They knew that there were Jews and non Jews inhabiting the land.

Indeed, but the plan was to shove those people aside and pig the place for themselves. It was no secret. That was their stated goal and the root of the problem that we still have today.

 

[Hollie]

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Are you joking? Almost everything you "know" about Israel is a lie.

Starting with a land without people for a people without a land.

We could have a whole thread about Israel's lies.

Interesting that when it comes to Jews, some non Jews will give the darnedest interpretation as to what may or may not have been said by any Jew.

Needless to say, the Zionists knew that the land was inhabited.
They knew that there were Jews and non Jews inhabiting the land.

So, how did that "saying" get so lost in translation?

On the Origin, Meaning, Use and Abuse of a Phrase on JSTOR

Needless to say, the Zionists knew that the land was inhabited.
They knew that there were Jews and non Jews inhabiting the land.

Indeed, but the plan was to shove those people aside and pig the place for themselves. It was no secret. That was their stated goal and the root of the problem that we still have today.

Indeed, you are referring of course to the Hamas charter as a statement of islamic fascism.