Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

Nice deflection.

In other words, you have no response. And of course you don't because there is no foreign government operating in Israel/Palestine.

No more so than a foreign government is occupying Spain in Catalonia. Two domestic governments. One with sovereignty and one seeking sovereignty. It is the same in Israel.

Here yet again you lead with preferred ignorance: Israel is a criminal occupier according to all legitimate international legal consensus...how you can invoke a word like 'sovereignty' against criminal occupation is indicative of the delusional nature of the deranged Zionist mind

How about you show us some links where it says what you have posted here?
In International Law and any other valid Accord, etc.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not so. Palestine is under attack by foreign forces.

Israel does not exist outside of the territory in question. Therefore, it is not a foreign entity, but a domestic one. You sure seem to have difficulty understanding sovereignty.

To the contrary, it appears that YOU are the one who has difficulty comprehending: Israel is essentially occupied Palestine...UN recognition was basically paid for by Jewish political insiders to the extent that the newly established UN violated the letter and spirit of its own charter in recognizing a state whose declaration of statehood took place in the wake of a criminal ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Arab Palestinians!!!

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

Palestine IS a Jewish Homeland. THE ancient Jewish Homeland, which continued to be their ancient homeland, no matter how many invaders walked through it.

Palestine IS Israel.

Syria Palestinia was the artificial name given to Judea/Israel by the Romans.

The Christian British, who did not like Jews thanks to their teachings, named the Mandate Palestine, instead of its known name - Israel.

Dream, have nightmares all you like.

For 3000 years it has been known as Israel, the land of the Israelites/Judeans/Jews.

The name may have changed, the people are the same.

STOP attempting to steal the land simply because it belongs to the Jews, the people both Christianity and Islam cannot stop insulting, attacking, harming and murdering on a daily basis.

 

[Hollie]

Not so. Palestine is under attack by foreign forces.

Israel does not exist outside of the territory in question. Therefore, it is not a foreign entity, but a domestic one. You sure seem to have difficulty understanding sovereignty.

To the contrary, it appears that YOU are the one who has difficulty comprehending: Israel is essentially occupied Palestine...UN recognition was basically paid for by Jewish political insiders to the extent that the newly established UN violated the letter and spirit of its own charter in recognizing a state whose declaration of statehood took place in the wake of a criminal ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Arab Palestinians!!!

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

What illegal immigration would that be, chuckles?

I'm prepared to point and laugh at your usual saliva slinging tirade of nonsensical banter so knock yourself out.

 

[JoelT1]

Palestine is from a Roman name imposed on Jews and ancient Israel, about 2000 years ago. Palestine referred to Philistines, ancient enemies of the Israelites. Philistines were a non-indigenous, non-Semitic people from the Aegean called the Sea Peoples.

There are no such things as palestinians

 

[Shusha]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

 

[JoelT1]

Philistines, Greek invaders to ancient Israel to whom palestine referred, became extinct about 2500 years ago.

There are no such things as palestinians

 

[Ventura77]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

LMFAO!!!!! You clearly have absolutely no idea of the gibberish you spout...you don't even appear to be a competent propaganda parrot...FYI: The Mandate for Palestine did not bid the Zionists to conduct an ethnic cleansing and steal whatever they could grad---or drive out 800,000 Palestinians...

The international community has made it clear that virtually the entire world considers the Israeli occupied territories to be illegal and contrary to the principles of international law. Every year since 1967 (up until the Oslo Process started), the UN General Assembly passed the same resolution (always with lopsided votes like 150-2), stating that Israel is obligated to vacate the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, in accordance with UN Resolution 242.
The only reason that Israel is able to maintain its occupation of Palestinian land is that the U.S. routinely vetoes every Security Council resolution that would insist that Israel live up to its obligations under international law.

 

[Ventura77]

Israel does not exist outside of the territory in question. Therefore, it is not a foreign entity, but a domestic one. You sure seem to have difficulty understanding sovereignty.

To the contrary, it appears that YOU are the one who has difficulty comprehending: Israel is essentially occupied Palestine...UN recognition was basically paid for by Jewish political insiders to the extent that the newly established UN violated the letter and spirit of its own charter in recognizing a state whose declaration of statehood took place in the wake of a criminal ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Arab Palestinians!!!

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

Palestine IS a Jewish Homeland. THE ancient Jewish Homeland, which continued to be their ancient homeland, no matter how many invaders walked through it.

Palestine IS Israel.

Syria Palestinia was the artificial name given to Judea/Israel by the Romans.

The Christian British, who did not like Jews thanks to their teachings, named the Mandate Palestine, instead of its known name - Israel.

Dream, have nightmares all you like.

For 3000 years it has been known as Israel, the land of the Israelites/Judeans/Jews.

The name may have changed, the people are the same.

STOP attempting to steal the land simply because it belongs to the Jews, the people both Christianity and Islam cannot stop insulting, attacking, harming and murdering on a daily basis.

Wrong yet again...the overwhelming majority population of Palestine since the late 7th has been Arab Palestinians...the Eastern European descendants of Khazar-converts to Judaism have zero DNA relation to the ancient Sephardic Jews and have less than no claim to one square inch of historic Palestine...

 

[Ventura77]

Israel does not exist outside of the territory in question. Therefore, it is not a foreign entity, but a domestic one. You sure seem to have difficulty understanding sovereignty.

To the contrary, it appears that YOU are the one who has difficulty comprehending: Israel is essentially occupied Palestine...UN recognition was basically paid for by Jewish political insiders to the extent that the newly established UN violated the letter and spirit of its own charter in recognizing a state whose declaration of statehood took place in the wake of a criminal ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Arab Palestinians!!!

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

What illegal immigration would that be, chuckles?

I'm prepared to point and laugh at your usual saliva slinging tirade of nonsensical banter so knock yourself out.

OMG you are amazingly uneducated...has no one on the board explained the British policy to halt illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine? Does The White Paper ring a bell you clueless drone??????

 

[Shusha]

There is nothing inherently illegal about the creation of a sovereign homeland and State for a people. Indeed, this has been the normal course of events over the past several hundred years with the dissolution of empires.

Further Israel has specific legal entitlement based on the legal instruments put in place since 1920.

That is the bottom line.

 

[Shusha]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

LMFAO!!!!! You clearly have absolutely no idea of the gibberish you spout...you don't even appear to be a competent propaganda parrot...FYI: The Mandate for Palestine did not bid the Zionists to conduct an ethnic cleansing and steal whatever they could grad---or drive out 800,000 Palestinians...

The international community has made it clear that virtually the entire world considers the Israeli occupied territories to be illegal and contrary to the principles of international law. Every year since 1967 (up until the Oslo Process started), the UN General Assembly passed the same resolution (always with lopsided votes like 150-2), stating that Israel is obligated to vacate the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, in accordance with UN Resolution 242.
The only reason that Israel is able to maintain its occupation of Palestinian land is that the U.S. routinely vetoes every Security Council resolution that would insist that Israel live up to its obligations under international law.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Exactly correct PF...literally every aspect of the Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE...

(COMMENT)

I mean, we really have to chuckle at this; if this is all the mantra you offer. This is intellectually dishonest.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's Declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of colonial settlers. The foreign Jewish agency established the government of Israel against the wishes of the vast majority of the population. This government was imposed on Palestine by military force.

(COMMENT)

It really doesn't matter what your culture is, → where your linage originates, → or where you were personally born. We all (even the Hostile Arab Palestinians) have the right of self-determination AND may freely determine our political status and pursue our collective economic, social and cultural development.

The Arab Palestinian has not exclusivity to this right.

By the way, the "Jewish Agency" was a requirement of the Allied Powers; under Article 4 of the Mandate. Now the Arab Palestinian can complain all they want; but the fact of the matter is that several times the Arab Higher Committee was ask to to form a "Arab Agency" → but declined to participate in the develop of any self-governing institutions in the territory.

The Government was not imposed by force. The outbreak of hostilities between the Allied Powers and the Central Powers had consequences. One of those consequence was the fall of four Empires; one of which is the Ottoman Empire that included the Middle East. The territory that the Hostile Arab Palestinians are trying to claim, was not under Arab Sovereignty to start with; not for more than a thousand years.

Not so. Palestine is under attack by foreign forces.

(COMMENT)

Well, certainly you can say that in May 1948, the Regional Area was invaded by a half dozen Arab League States. So yes, 'there is some truth to that statement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

To the contrary, it appears that YOU are the one who has difficulty comprehending: Israel is essentially occupied Palestine...UN recognition was basically paid for by Jewish political insiders to the extent that the newly established UN violated the letter and spirit of its own charter in recognizing a state whose declaration of statehood took place in the wake of a criminal ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Arab Palestinians!!!

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

What illegal immigration would that be, chuckles?

I'm prepared to point and laugh at your usual saliva slinging tirade of nonsensical banter so knock yourself out.

OMG you are amazingly uneducated...has no one on the board explained the British policy to halt illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine? Does The White Paper ring a bell you clueless drone??????

Your tirades are hilarious.

I suppose this is another of your usual tirades launched in defensive posturing in order to deflect from your abysmal ignorance of the facts.

I'll ask again, what was illegal about Jewish immigration to Pal'istan?

Clean that unseemly drool from your keyboard before another saliva slinging tirade.

Thanks, Louie.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I like this: "Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE." You need to listen to a better talk radio host.

Exactly correct PF...literally every aspect of the Jewish narrative is a gargantuan LIE...

(COMMENT)

I mean, we really have to chuckle at this; if this is all the mantra you offer. This is intellectually dishonest.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's Declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of colonial settlers. The foreign Jewish agency established the government of Israel against the wishes of the vast majority of the population. This government was imposed on Palestine by military force.

(COMMENT)

It really doesn't matter what your culture is, → where your linage originates, → or where you were personally born. We all (even the Hostile Arab Palestinians) have the right of self-determination AND may freely determine our political status and pursue our collective economic, social and cultural development.

The Arab Palestinian has not exclusivity to this right.

By the way, the "Jewish Agency" was a requirement of the Allied Powers; under Article 4 of the Mandate. Now the Arab Palestinian can complain all they want; but the fact of the matter is that several times the Arab Higher Committee was ask to to form a "Arab Agency" → but declined to participate in the develop of any self-governing institutions in the territory.

The Government was not imposed by force. The outbreak of hostilities between the Allied Powers and the Central Powers had consequences. One of those consequence was the fall of four Empires; one of which is the Ottoman Empire that included the Middle East. The territory that the Hostile Arab Palestinians are trying to claim, was not under Arab Sovereignty to start with; not for more than a thousand years.

Not so. Palestine is under attack by foreign forces.

(COMMENT)

Well, certainly you can say that in May 1948, the Regional Area was invaded by a half dozen Arab League States. So yes, 'there is some truth to that statement.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wrong yet again...I think I would go into cardiac arrest if I ever encountered one of you delusional cultists who was capable of articulating the facts:
The "Invading Arab Armies" Israeli Zionist myth debunked!
Rasheed Khalidi in "The Iron Cage"
"To revisit one of the most important of these myths about the infant state of Israel, the number of Arab armies that invaded Israel after it's establishment is described in a range of standard accounts as ranging from five to seven. However, there were only seven independent Arab states in 1948 (some hardly independent, and some hardly sates in any meaningful sense of the word), two of which,Saudi Arabia and Yemen, did not even have regular armies and no means of getting any armed forces they might have had to Palestine.Beyond his, of the five Arab regular Arab regular armies, one(That of Lebanon) never crossed the international frontier with Palestine,two(those of Iraq and Transjordan) scrupulously refrained from crossing the frontiers of the Jewish state laid down in the United Nation plan as per secret Jordanian understandings with both Britain and the Zionist leadership and thus never "invaded" Israel, and one ( that of Syria) made only minor inroads across the new Israeli state's frontiers.The only serious and long lasting incursion into the territory of the Jewish state as laid under the partition plan was that of the Egyptian army. Meanwhile the fiercest fighting during 48 war took place with the Jordanian army during multiple Israeli OFFENSIVES into area assigned by the UN to the Arab state. This story of an invasion by multiple, massive Arab armies, and other legends, is not just an important element of the Israeli myth of origin: it's a nearly universal myth."

 

[Ventura77]

The only criminal ethnic cleansing was the removal of the Jewish people in the neighbouring Arab states contrary to IHL as well as specific legal instruments of the time.

The rest was an internal conflict -- a civil war-- which resulted in the displacement of people on BOTH sides. Which was -- and is -- a direct result of Arab hostility.

Susha,

Is it considered a civil war when in 1920 Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews by the British?

Or when the Hashemites ethnically cleansed TransJordan of all Jewish inhabitants?

How about 1929 when Arabs attacked unarmed Jews in Hebron and then the British expelled the other Jews from that city, not allowing them to return?

No doubt you're aware that illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine was the catalyst behind your typically one-sided comments? The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

What illegal immigration would that be, chuckles?

I'm prepared to point and laugh at your usual saliva slinging tirade of nonsensical banter so knock yourself out.

OMG you are amazingly uneducated...has no one on the board explained the British policy to halt illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine? Does The White Paper ring a bell you clueless drone??????

Your tirades are hilarious.

I suppose this is another of your usual tirades launched in defensive posturing in order to deflect from your abysmal ignorance of the facts.

I'll ask again, what was illegal about Jewish immigration to Pal'istan?

Clean that unseemly drool from your keyboard before another saliva slinging tirade.

Thanks, Louie.

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Illegal Jewish Immigration to Palestine under the British Mandate
Walid Khalidi
Journal of Palestine Studies
Vol. 35, No. 4 (Summer 2006), pp. 63-68
Published by: University of California Press on behalf of the Institute for Palestine Studies
DOI: 10.1525/jps.2006.35.4.63
Stable URL: Illegal Jewish Immigration to Palestine under the British Mandate on JSTOR
Page Count: 6

 

[Ventura77]

The Zionist Congress was trying to artificially inflate the number of Jews in Palestine in the hopes of declaring Palestine a 'Jewish homeland'...

No doubt you are aware that all this is fully in keeping with international law and the specific legal instruments of the time -- particularly the Mandate for Palestine.

LMFAO!!!!! You clearly have absolutely no idea of the gibberish you spout...you don't even appear to be a competent propaganda parrot...FYI: The Mandate for Palestine did not bid the Zionists to conduct an ethnic cleansing and steal whatever they could grad---or drive out 800,000 Palestinians...

The international community has made it clear that virtually the entire world considers the Israeli occupied territories to be illegal and contrary to the principles of international law. Every year since 1967 (up until the Oslo Process started), the UN General Assembly passed the same resolution (always with lopsided votes like 150-2), stating that Israel is obligated to vacate the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, in accordance with UN Resolution 242.
The only reason that Israel is able to maintain its occupation of Palestinian land is that the U.S. routinely vetoes every Security Council resolution that would insist that Israel live up to its obligations under international law.

Clearly you have not read the Mandate for Palestine.

funny I was thinking the same thing about you...

 

[Ventura77]

There is nothing inherently illegal about the creation of a sovereign homeland and State for a people. Indeed, this has been the normal course of events over the past several hundred years with the dissolution of empires.

Further Israel has specific legal entitlement based on the legal instruments put in place since 1920.

That is the bottom line.

Wrong yet again...your head is ridiculously foggy and ignorant...the legal questions surrounding the ethnic cleansing of Historic Palestine in 48 are inarguable...please familiarize yourself with them so as to spare yourself future embarrassment ...referring to historic conquests and imperial seizures seems to cast aside the 20th century establishment of international law and the property rights of native populations...Israel had zero entitlement...your ignorance is astounding

 

[Ventura77]

Philistines, Greek invaders to ancient Israel to whom palestine referred, became extinct about 2500 years ago.

There are no such things as palestinians

You might want to explain this to the pre-state Zionist leaders who plotted to overthrow and expel these fictive people...the idiocy is numbing

 

[JoelT1]

Arabs themselves laugh: When were there any palestinians?!

 

[Sixties Fan]

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