Who are the Palestinians? An Arab Invention.

[teddyearp]

<snip> Later I joined and decided to write mainly on the religion forum.

A quick side question, did you participate in threads with and/or remember Parture?

As for the rest, thank you very much. I am trying to learn not to let these folks get under my skin. That is one of my thorns in my side; letting myself get too angry from the BS.

 

[teddyearp]

You do realize you continue to be a clown.

Hey look monti, this is you not resorting to name calling!

 

[teddyearp]

Anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist under international law without the right of return is quite obviously ignorant or just a ******* bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Israel is a democracy without the right of return is an ignorant or bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Ashkenazi have a right to Palestine can't ******* read or is a bigot.

List goes on and on. Soon in the states voicing these opinions will be one step away from being a white nationalist.

Looking at bannon that may be sooner than most of us had anticipated.

Wow, thank you so much for the great intellect you put into this post. So informative.

 

[teddyearp]

Something tells me you did not speak with any of the 20% Israelis who are not Jews. I could be wrong.

You are. I spoke with Jews, Arabs, Christians, Russians, Ethiopians, and many secular Israelis.

And again, I want to stress the fact that my experiences in visiting Israel were not with a guided tour. I stress this because in other threads it was still inferred that I was led around to only 'see' what 'they' wanted me to see. I plotted my own course(s). Went where I wanted to. Nobody 'showed' me anything.

 

[Eloy]

<snip>and a Roman Catholic<snip>

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

I've explained what isn't in the New Testament (in part). If you'd like to know what is in the New Testament open your KJV Bible and read it. I believe the Word of God is your answer, Eloy. You seem very unhappy and you shouldn't have to live your entire life this way. If you will give your life to Jesus Christ and follow Him He will open your eyes to the truth about Israel and you won't feel this hatred and bitterness for His brethren any longer.

You know, this is an interesting fact. I've never seen a Muslim who left Islam and become a born again Christian stay mad at Israel. In fact, the hate they had for the Jews disappeared and in its place they felt great love for the Jewish people! As if they had awoke to the truth. I pray that happens for you. I don't desire to see any of you end up in hell but if you insist on sending yourselves there by hanging onto these lies what can anyone do?

I read that Jesus was killed by the Romans at the demand of the Jews but they were different people from Jews from the Bronx who are living in occupied Palestine.

 

[Eloy]

Something tells me you did not speak with any of the 20% Israelis who are not Jews. I could be wrong.

You are. I spoke with Jews, Arabs, Christians, Russians, Ethiopians, and many secular Israelis.

And again, I want to stress the fact that my experiences in visiting Israel were not with a guided tour. I stress this because in other threads it was still inferred that I was led around to only 'see' what 'they' wanted me to see. I plotted my own course(s). Went where I wanted to. Nobody 'showed' me anything.

I think it is good that you have such an open mind.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

<snip>and a Roman Catholic<snip>

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

I've explained what isn't in the New Testament (in part). If you'd like to know what is in the New Testament open your KJV Bible and read it. I believe the Word of God is your answer, Eloy. You seem very unhappy and you shouldn't have to live your entire life this way. If you will give your life to Jesus Christ and follow Him He will open your eyes to the truth about Israel and you won't feel this hatred and bitterness for His brethren any longer.

You know, this is an interesting fact. I've never seen a Muslim who left Islam and become a born again Christian stay mad at Israel. In fact, the hate they had for the Jews disappeared and in its place they felt great love for the Jewish people! As if they had awoke to the truth. I pray that happens for you. I don't desire to see any of you end up in hell but if you insist on sending yourselves there by hanging onto these lies what can anyone do?

I read that Jesus was killed by the Romans at the demand of the Jews but they were different people from Jews from the Bronx who are living in occupied Palestine.

I think you mean Jews from Brooklyn or Queens. Not many Jews come from the Bronx these days. And if "occupied Palestine" means the West Bank, it's still part of Eretz Yisroel.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

When you come to think about it, it's really strange. I'm Jewish and I have the right to move to Dallas or Paris or Rio. Yet some people would deprive me of the right to move to Hebron, the one place where Judaism was actually born. Very ironic.

 

[Eloy]

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

I've explained what isn't in the New Testament (in part). If you'd like to know what is in the New Testament open your KJV Bible and read it. I believe the Word of God is your answer, Eloy. You seem very unhappy and you shouldn't have to live your entire life this way. If you will give your life to Jesus Christ and follow Him He will open your eyes to the truth about Israel and you won't feel this hatred and bitterness for His brethren any longer.

You know, this is an interesting fact. I've never seen a Muslim who left Islam and become a born again Christian stay mad at Israel. In fact, the hate they had for the Jews disappeared and in its place they felt great love for the Jewish people! As if they had awoke to the truth. I pray that happens for you. I don't desire to see any of you end up in hell but if you insist on sending yourselves there by hanging onto these lies what can anyone do?

I read that Jesus was killed by the Romans at the demand of the Jews but they were different people from Jews from the Bronx who are living in occupied Palestine.

I think you mean Jews from Brooklyn or Queens. Not many Jews come from the Bronx these days. And if "occupied Palestine" means the West Bank, it's still part of Eretz Yisroel.

Actually I meant Jews from Manhattan.
Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

When you come to think about it, it's really strange. I'm Jewish and I have the right to move to Dallas or Paris or Rio. Yet some people would deprive me of the right to move to Hebron, the one place where Judaism was actually born. Very ironic.

If you wish to stay in France for longer than 90 days you will need a long stay visum stating the purpose of your stay. You have no right to take-up residence in the European Union.
Although Israel allows Jews from Russia to live in the Occupied Territories, this is illegal under international law.

 

[Indeependent]

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

I've explained what isn't in the New Testament (in part). If you'd like to know what is in the New Testament open your KJV Bible and read it. I believe the Word of God is your answer, Eloy. You seem very unhappy and you shouldn't have to live your entire life this way. If you will give your life to Jesus Christ and follow Him He will open your eyes to the truth about Israel and you won't feel this hatred and bitterness for His brethren any longer.

You know, this is an interesting fact. I've never seen a Muslim who left Islam and become a born again Christian stay mad at Israel. In fact, the hate they had for the Jews disappeared and in its place they felt great love for the Jewish people! As if they had awoke to the truth. I pray that happens for you. I don't desire to see any of you end up in hell but if you insist on sending yourselves there by hanging onto these lies what can anyone do?

I read that Jesus was killed by the Romans at the demand of the Jews but they were different people from Jews from the Bronx who are living in occupied Palestine.

I think you mean Jews from Brooklyn or Queens. Not many Jews come from the Bronx these days. And if "occupied Palestine" means the West Bank, it's still part of Eretz Yisroel.

Actually I meant Jews from Manhattan.
Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

When you come to think about it, it's really strange. I'm Jewish and I have the right to move to Dallas or Paris or Rio. Yet some people would deprive me of the right to move to Hebron, the one place where Judaism was actually born. Very ironic.

If you wish to stay in France for longer than 90 days you will need a long stay visum stating the purpose of your stay. You have no right to take-up residence in the European Union.
Although Israel allows Jews from Russia to live in the Occupied Territories, this is illegal under international law.

There is NOTHING illegal about the Settlements unless you get your "facts" from Arab websites.

 

[Shusha]

Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

Actually, until new treaties are signed, its all Israel except Areas A and B.

 

[Eloy]

Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

Actually, until new treaties are signed, its all Israel except Areas A and B.

I have no doubt that the territory recognized as Israel in the United Nations does not include the Occupied Territories.

 

[Shusha]

Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

Actually, until new treaties are signed, its all Israel except Areas A and B.

I have no doubt that the territory recognized as Israel in the United Nations does not include the Occupied Territories.

And sadly, this is where we are at with respect to the law. Its not a function of actual law -- but a function of argumentum ad populum.

 

[Juicin]

Anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist under international law without the right of return is quite obviously ignorant or just a ******* bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Israel is a democracy without the right of return is an ignorant or bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Ashkenazi have a right to Palestine can't ******* read or is a bigot.

List goes on and on. Soon in the states voicing these opinions will be one step away from being a white nationalist.

Looking at bannon that may be sooner than most of us had anticipated.

There will be no right of return nor going to pre-67 lines. When you wage war against a sovereign nation you don't get to pretend as if it never happened. There are consequences. Something the Muslims have failed to learn because everyone continues to appease them. The UN is not dictating to Israel what she will or will not do through "international law." Israel is a Sovereign Nation and a Jewish State and should be acknowledged as such. The world (all of it) must acknowledge and respect this fact. Jerusalem (all of it) is the Capitol of Israel. This too must be acknowledged and respected. The best thing to do with the UN is turn in membership (every nation) and walk away. It is an abysmal failure and was used as a weapon against Israel. The UN is a disgrace. If the nations which fund it (primarily the USA) leave it, others will follow. President Trump certainly looks like the man to lead the way.

Who's going to enforce that? lol

5 million Jews who's society can collapse at any moment due to outside sanctions/

They're not North Korea, they can't sustain the occupation without a functioning economy.

With the right rising in Europe. And America being brown. The prospects for Israelis setting the terms grow dimmer every day.

If I was an Israeli Nationalist I'd be willing to go back to 48 at this point (assuming I didn't have a fear of god punishing me for doing so, lol).

Things are not looking good. What do you think will happen if Europeans and Americans just cut off air travel? Rich Jews will leave en masse and the economy will fall apart.

Much less actual sanctions or banks pulling out (although I don't know what bank is giong to have the balls to **** with Israel lol)

 

[Juicin]

Bottom line , it will be the people of Israel who will make the decisions for Israel on Israels future and not some christian posters on the internet fueled by end time fantasies

I'll say the same thing to the other guy

You people don't get basic math. White South Africans had nukes too. What're you gonna do nuke your own land?

Economic sanctions/banks and travel bans is how Israel will fall. Even if Americans don't want to if the Palestinians make it violent enough we'll cut off travel so we don't lose a plane.

Over time any even minor economic or travel sactions/bans from the west* would have a huge effect. THere aren't 100 million Jews in a sea of Arabs. There are 5 million. Many of whom could very easily immigrate to a different western nation.

 

[Juicin]

Anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist under international law without the right of return is quite obviously ignorant or just a ******* bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Israel is a democracy without the right of return is an ignorant or bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Ashkenazi have a right to Palestine can't ******* read or is a bigot.

List goes on and on. Soon in the states voicing these opinions will be one step away from being a white nationalist.

Looking at bannon that may be sooner than most of us had anticipated.

Wow, thank you so much for the great intellect you put into this post. So informative.

I'm glad you've accepted it

Nice hat traitor

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you come to think about it, it's really strange. I'm Jewish and I have the right to move to Dallas or Paris or Rio. Yet some people would deprive me of the right to move to Hebron, the one place where Judaism was actually born. Very ironic.

Are you sure? Have you tried to immigrate to Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel, the member state of the United Nations, does not include the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

Actually, until new treaties are signed, its all Israel except Areas A and B.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Juicin]

When you come to think about it, it's really strange. I'm Jewish and I have the right to move to Dallas or Paris or Rio. Yet some people would deprive me of the right to move to Hebron, the one place where Judaism was actually born. Very ironic.

What the **** does your religion have to do with your right to live in a certain land?

It's blood that gives you rights to land, not religion.

I'm a brahmin by birth, we claim to be directly descended from a sage. 2,000 ******* years, and we have been in teh same place with the same people since the patriarchs walked the earth, so it's a lot more believable than some Euro thinking he's descended from the patriarchs.

In our religion we do patrilineal descent. But if my descendants breed with everyone but Indians for generations we no longer have a blood claim to teh land.

Even if technically my descendants are practicing members of caste and the males share my Y, by religions standards full members of caste. My clan can't go marching to reseat themselves in the shadow of the Himalayas on "our" land. I don't feel that would be appropriate and I'm only the first generation removed from Indian blood with my father being born there. How could you be so pompous?

So how in your mind does your insignificant connection to the land give you any right to it? You can't prove you're descended from the patriarchs. You can't trace your line back at all, you've been living as a minority in a society a world away.

You think you have a claim to Palestine relative the people descended from those who stayed? What?

Even if you were a Tunisian, you were breeding with Tunisians not Palestinians. And I doubt you're descended from Tunisians and Jews. I suspect mostly Europeans with some real semite ancestors long ago

 

[Challenger]

...Mark Twain said Israel was like a barren wasteland when he visited, void of human beings, vegetation, life. It wasn't until the Jews returned that everything was restored to its former beauty. Once the Arabs saw the Jews return and make the land beautiful it suddenly become theirs as if they ever had a claim to it. They do not...

Got to ask, have you ever read "Innocents Abroad"? Probably not, otherwise you'd have come across the descriptions the Zionist Hasbara department leaves out, “The narrow canon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side” or “Sometimes, in the glens, we came upon luxuriant orchards of figs, apricots, pomegranates, and such things, but oftener the scenery was rugged, mountainous, verdureless and forbidding” or
“We came finally to the noble grove of orange-trees in which the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried”, amongst others. This was in 1867, 15 years before the first European Jewish settlers arrived en masse in 1882. Another thing tha Hasbara department omits is the fact that 90% of these settlers left before accomplishing anything of note. Zionist epic fail number1

Hasbara was founded in 2001. Innocents Abroad was published in 1869. Your suggestion is quite impossible. Grasping at straws requires a straw to in fact be in existence. Check your dates the next time. No cigar for you.

What suggestion is that, pray tell? The fact that the Hasbara department cherry-picks Mark Twain's book about his journey in 1867 which was published in 1869 in order to provide a false picture of Palestine to promote the myth that the Zionists "made the desert bloom"? Or are you just talking out of your posterior again?

Even with those couple of left-out sentences, the majority of Twain's description of Palestine is that of a forgotten wasteland. So what if a couple of places were in bloom? Any people who aren't totally retarded could have a couple of gardens here and there.

Nice try, but even after allegedly "making the desert bloom" the Zionist ubermenschen have only managed to get less than 25% of the land even remotely capable of being productive in any sense of the word, using the latest technology and their "superior intellects" according to the CIA factbook. Back in 1867 when Tain was there, less than 20% of the land was fertile enough to produce crops. That and given the fact that if you trace Twain's journey, he went from Damascus to Jerusalem mostly along the Golan and the Judean hill country, the least productive and at the time most sparsely populated areas. Most of the best lands wer along the coastal plain and the Jordan Valley; areas he never went to.