Who are the Palestinians? An Arab Invention.

[Book of Jeremiah]

You are mistaken, I have never said the Bible, my Bible, is a fairy tale. You are obviously not religious and are not aware that we believe in the New Testament. The old testament is obsolete for us.


"Hebrews 8:13 ►


By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

You really have a knack for making a fool of yourself, by showing your abject ignorance. LOL

Let me run it down for you. I agree, I am not religious. Just saved. I claim Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and savior. Do you? And if "your Bible" as a Catholic is supposed to only be about the New Testament, why did the Catholic church canonize the Old Testament as well? ForeverYoung436 expanded on this very well in his/her post made while I was writing this one.

And then you go to belittling me (and others) by resorting to name calling.

You know what's so comical about this section Book of Jeremiah ? You are relatively new to this section of the board. Monti has about 10-15 documents/links that he has cherry picked and nothing else. He spams the board with them over and over and over again. When he claims that all of Palestine converted to Christianity after the destruction of the Temple and is called on the clear fact that not all converted, he will admit it; sort of. But then in other threads he will go back to the same claim.

If you actually engage Tinmore, he will lead you down some really crooked path that I call his pretzel; yes it is that twisted. I did it only once.

Challenger at the core of his portion of the narrative, will give you the conspiracy theory that the world is controlled by Jews.

All will claim that Israel (and the Temple) never existed, nor should it now; even when they sometimes claim to want a two state solution.

And, as you have seen, when finally cornered, they will stoop to name calling. Hasbara is one of their favorites. Why is there no 'name' for the Pro-Pali propaganda? Because just like Hamas, and the others, they prefer to hide behind a mask.

It's really getting boring around here.

p.s. for a really good laugh (or cry) wait until you read some of the stuff Penelope posts.

I came to this board several years ago because one of the members here,Sally, asked me to. She spent a great deal of time on this forum and I would drop in and read it. Later I joined and decided to write mainly on the religion forum. I did do many years of this kind of posting / debate and I do find that what you are doing is very important, Teddy.

At one time I spent 12 hours a day (at least) 6 - 7 days a week and that went on for years. Back then they didn't report you to a moderator. They sent you an email with a cut off head and threatened your life to stop writing. I've had plenty of death threats during my time of writing. Those of us who truly believed in what we were doing continued to write and of course, the people who thought they could intimidate us found out differently. I still defend Israel but I do it in a different way from what I used to do. (I'd rather win their soul / pray for them than aggravate them to the point that they drive themselves early into hell)

Of course, this has been like a trip down memory lane visiting this thread and joining in the discussion. I've enjoyed it but to be honest with you, I pity people such as Montelatici and Penelope. They seem to me to be very unhappy people.

There are young people who are reading these threads and they will learn the other side of the story because of people like you, Hossfly, Hollie, Paparock, MJB and others. I've had numerous discussions with Penelope and believe that not everyone is what they claim to be. It's been my experience on a message board that sometimes people are merely following a script and doing what they do for someone else who is in the background and not willing to show their face.

Just remember the word HALT. Don't get too hungry, too angry, too lonely or too tired. Pace yourself and be sure to have some down time to regroup, do some reading, research, dialogue with friends because there is a high burnout for this kind of discussion and if you are dealing with people who aren't honest and lean on personal attacks vs. real debate, they don't deserve to get a front row seat to your discussions.

Have a nice evening!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The only one pretending here are the actors calling themselves "Palestinians" and those who are playing the game with them knowing full well that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and ONLY THE JEWS. Anyone else laying claim to that land needs to go back where they came from. If I ever visited Israel (and I have never gone over) I would go with a 2 way ticket as a guest and not wear out my welcome! That land belongs to the Jews. Period.

I recommend you read an Israeli newspaper sometime; they write about Palestinians all the time.

What can I tell you? The Jews have always gone the extra mile to accommodate people. Even their enemies. They have shown amazing tolerance, patience, kindness, compassion. Truly Jefferson had it right when he said that the Jews are the most civilized people upon the face of the earth. I've learned a great deal from them but I wasn't born Jewish and I do not feel I would be as patient with the antics of these Arabs. I'm more in the line of Ezra who would have kicked every single one of you out whether you had intermarried with the people there or not! The whole bunch of you would be OUT!

What has that to do with the Israeli press?

They won't confront them with the truth that there is no such thing as a Palestinian because it would cause an uproar in the international community. Political correctness has caused people to agree to many things that simply are not true.

It is also best to be correct rather than being so wrong politically as you are.

Politically correct is rarely correct and I am not seeking to be politically correct, Eloy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Indeed, and that include a few percent of the population that were Jews. None of that land went specifically to Jews and certainly not to the non existent Israel.

 

[Eloy]

I have no Arab brethren, I am of Western European extraction and a Roman Catholic, I just present facts.

When can we expect to see any of those facts? All I've seen is propaganda films, articles and lies protecting terrorist organizations such as Hamas. Here's a fact for you in living color:

Sure, a silly photoshop piece of propaganda makes a point. LOL You do realize you continue to be a clown.

Once again I'll remind you refrain from personal attacks and address the OP or discussion at hand. USMB rules apply to you as well as others.

Your post is off-topic.

So is yours. Your point?

Off-topic posts like yours are not allowed on USMessageBoard.

 

[Eloy]

I recommend you read an Israeli newspaper sometime; they write about Palestinians all the time.

What can I tell you? The Jews have always gone the extra mile to accommodate people. Even their enemies. They have shown amazing tolerance, patience, kindness, compassion. Truly Jefferson had it right when he said that the Jews are the most civilized people upon the face of the earth. I've learned a great deal from them but I wasn't born Jewish and I do not feel I would be as patient with the antics of these Arabs. I'm more in the line of Ezra who would have kicked every single one of you out whether you had intermarried with the people there or not! The whole bunch of you would be OUT!

What has that to do with the Israeli press?

They won't confront them with the truth that there is no such thing as a Palestinian because it would cause an uproar in the international community. Political correctness has caused people to agree to many things that simply are not true.

It is also best to be correct rather than being so wrong politically as you are.

Politically correct is rarely correct and I am not seeking to be politically correct, Eloy.

That's good for you because your posts are not correct

I have no interest in listening to a Muslim cleric. Sorry.

In other words, you have no interest in hearing the truth from anyone. You're right. You are sorry.

The facts are from official documents, not propaganda sites. LOL

The UN documents are falsified because the UN has an agenda against Israel. That is common knowledge. I reject the U.N. and their documents, their accusations against Israel, their resolutions,the whole shooting match.

In other words, the party is over.

Haven't you covered yourself with enough inanity without appealing to Donald Trump as someone to be believed.

Any president who suggests we get out of the U.N. has my full attention. I'm all for it. The U.N. has been of no benefit to America or Israel. We're now fighting their wars and bypassing Congress and our own Constitution in doing so. What next? Surrender our sovereignty and erase our borders? Become like Europe? No thanks. Time to say good bye and show them the door.

Who are "we"?

 

[Eloy]

<snip> If I ever visited Israel (and I have never gone over) I would go with a 2 way ticket as a guest and not wear out my welcome! That land belongs to the Jews. Period.

You REALLY need to go visit. I've been twice and it really helps put this whole thing into perspective as to how much these pro pals lie about the Israelis.

Something tells me you did not speak with any of the 20% Israelis who are not Jews. I could be wrong.

 

[Hollie]

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Indeed, and that include a few percent of the population that were Jews. None of that land went specifically to Jews and certainly not to the non existent Israel.

Indeed, and it was more than a few percent of the population that was Jewish.

Indeed, the Jewish people succeeded where the Arabs-Moslems could not.

Indeed, you're whining about Arab-Moslem failures.

Indeed, your invented "country of Pal'istan" is a root cause of your befuddlement.

 

[Juicin]

Anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist under international law without the right of return is quite obviously ignorant or just a ******* bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Israel is a democracy without the right of return is an ignorant or bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Ashkenazi have a right to Palestine can't ******* read or is a bigot.

List goes on and on. Soon in the states voicing these opinions will be one step away from being a white nationalist.

Looking at bannon that may be sooner than most of us had anticipated.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

This is Gaza. Take a look at this video, the luxurious homes, market places, playing at the beach, beautiful cars, market places full of fresh food and good life Israeli's have given these people. Does this look like an oppressed people? Do you see any starving people in this video? Any ethnic cleansing? No? That is because there isn't any of that going on! You've been had!!!



This is Gaza? Destitute? Deprived? Oppressed? Think again! Gated communities, beautiful homes, a lifestyle on par with any Israeli citizen. Be sure to share this video by email and message boards and let people see the Gaza that mainstream media is portraying is grossly inaccurate!

This reminds me of an interesting thing I noticed on my trips to Israel. All the cars with Israeli plates (you guys know, the yellow ones) were pretty much small economy cars. And sure, many of the cars with the Palestinian plates (you know, the white ones with green writing) were small as well, but I saw a fair amount of big nice Mercedes' with Pali plates.

If people watch the video they can see what you are talking about. You're right. These people live better than many people in the USA and elsewhere who are impoverished and are living on the streets.


Too bad the mainstream media avoids any photographs / films which show these "Palestinian people" playing in the ocean, shopping in beautiful food markets abundant with many different foods, nice shopping and streets lined with cars. Can you believe that the media wants to compare these people to Jews in death camps in WWII? I cannot find any starving skeletal people in any Gaza photographs - although I can easily find many of those who could use a diet! The media is truly insane to go along with the propaganda of terrorists.

Why do they lie? They lost 6 wars against Israel (which they instigated) and this propaganda war is the only thing they have left. With the internet and camera phones they can't get away with it so easily now which is why they are crying fake films! Fake news! They are afraid the people will find out the truth.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Anyone who thinks Israel has a right to exist under international law without the right of return is quite obviously ignorant or just a ******* bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Israel is a democracy without the right of return is an ignorant or bigoted piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks Ashkenazi have a right to Palestine can't ******* read or is a bigot.

List goes on and on. Soon in the states voicing these opinions will be one step away from being a white nationalist.

Looking at bannon that may be sooner than most of us had anticipated.

There will be no right of return nor going to pre-67 lines. When you wage war against a sovereign nation you don't get to pretend as if it never happened. There are consequences. Something the Muslims have failed to learn because everyone continues to appease them. The UN is not dictating to Israel what she will or will not do through "international law." Israel is a Sovereign Nation and a Jewish State and should be acknowledged as such. The world (all of it) must acknowledge and respect this fact. Jerusalem (all of it) is the Capitol of Israel. This too must be acknowledged and respected. The best thing to do with the UN is turn in membership (every nation) and walk away. It is an abysmal failure and was used as a weapon against Israel. The UN is a disgrace. If the nations which fund it (primarily the USA) leave it, others will follow. President Trump certainly looks like the man to lead the way.

 

[guno]

Bottom line , it will be the people of Israel who will make the decisions for Israel on Israels future and not some christian posters on the internet fueled by end time fantasies

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Bottom line , it will be the people of Israel who will make the decisions for Israel and not some christian posters on the internet fueled by end time fantasies

I have no end time fantasies, Guno. I believe I have told you before that I do not believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. It's a false teaching. The truth is if we are alive upon the earth we will all be here for the great tribulation. There won't be any early departure for the church. If people would study their Bibles and the last book of the Bible especially they would know that.

So what possible benefit would I have for Jews making Aliyah to Israel if I don't believe in the rapture? None.

Is there anything else before I go this morning?

 

[Eloy]

Bottom line , it will be the people of Israel who will make the decisions for Israel and not some christian posters on the internet fueled by end time fantasies

I have no end time fantasies, Guno. I believe I have told you before that I do not believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. It's a false teaching. The truth is if we are alive upon the earth we will all be here for the great tribulation. There won't be any early departure for the church. If people would study their Bibles and the last book of the Bible especially they would know that.

So what possible benefit would I have for Jews making Aliyah to Israel if I don't believe in the rapture? None.

Is there anything else before I go this morning?

Thanks for explaining the Rapture. Hurry back.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

<snip>and a Roman Catholic<snip>

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to arrest and torture Jews and non - Catholics and murder 58 million people (RCC Inquisitions), to steal and hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations in order to destroy the sovereignty of nations and seize power, the true church was never called to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

That's the short version. Truth in a nutshell.

 

[Eloy]

<snip>and a Roman Catholic<snip>

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

<snip>and a Roman Catholic<snip>

Keep digging monti. If you are a Roman Catholic, why do you many times refer to the Bible as a fairy tale? Your lies and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I have many Catholic family members and they don't believe the Bible either. At best they have been taught to believe it is stories / allegories but not to be taken literally. They believe that they should obey the Pope. Not God. In essence, they believe the Pope has the authority of God and that the same type of authority / power belongs to their priests as well. They believe their priests have the power to forgive their sins and that their salvation can only come through the Roman Catholic Church. None of this is scriptural but when they are shown that in the bible their response is they don't believe the bible or take it literally.

If they believed the bible they would know that Jesus never taught his church to build an army, to have a court system or a Vatican, to hoard billions in gold,silver, precious gems and art work in a Vatican vault, Jesus never told the church to establish a bank (Vatican banks) nor create the United Nations to seize lands, whole islands, castles, palaces, archaelogical sites, private properties for their own private pleasure and use (UNESCO World Heritage: UNESCO World Heritage Sites: UN Controls Priceless Lands and Monuments | Alternative), Jesus never appointed a Vicar, that Jesus never taught a church to start a war or seek world dominating political power over Kings, Queens and Presidents. Jesus never taught any church to raise up death squads and spy agencies who murder in the name of God - such as the Jesuits are. Roman Catholicism is actually based on a Babylonian religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. We talk about the Palestinians being an Arab invention but who was behind the scenes orchestrating this from beginning to end? The Vatican. Of course. They are the force behind the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the wealth of the Vatican is greater than any other single organization on earth. It's utterly corrupt, evil and the religious component that has been set in place for the future One World Order Government. The Vatican's goal has always been the same, to take Jerusalem for its headquarters. They having been using the Muslims to accomplish this goal - for centuries - read Dr. Alberto Rivera - ex - Jesuit and he will explain why the Vatican is using the Muslims. What will happen in the end?

I suspect that after the Vatican uses the Muslims to wipe out the Jews and Christians who resist Rome's authority they will turn on the Muslims for one final crusade and kill them all. The Vatican has always worked both sides of every war, every coup, every agenda. It's their way of being in control of both sides.

Thank-you for explaining the New Testament on Sunday for us.

I've explained what isn't in the New Testament (in part). If you'd like to know what is in the New Testament open your KJV Bible and read it. I believe the Word of God is your answer, Eloy. You seem very unhappy and you shouldn't have to live your entire life this way. If you will give your life to Jesus Christ and follow Him He will open your eyes to the truth about Israel and you won't feel this hatred and bitterness for His brethren any longer.

You know, this is an interesting fact. I've never seen a Muslim who left Islam and become a born again Christian stay mad at Israel. In fact, the hate they had for the Jews disappeared and in its place they felt great love for the Jewish people! As if they had awoke to the truth. I pray that happens for you. I don't desire to see any of you end up in hell but if you insist on sending yourselves there by hanging onto these lies what can anyone do?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Indeed, and that include a few percent of the population that were Jews. None of that land went specifically to Jews and certainly not to the non existent Israel.

Indeed, and it was more than a few percent of the population that was Jewish.

Indeed, the Jewish people succeeded where the Arabs-Moslems could not.

Indeed, you're whining about Arab-Moslem failures.

Indeed, your invented "country of Pal'istan" is a root cause of your befuddlement.

The number of Jews in Palestine when it was created was a few percent. However, only those with Turkish citizenship became Palestinian citizens. Because many Jews lived in colonies without getting Turkish citizenship, only about 1% of the population of Palestine were Jewish citizens.

 

[teddyearp]

I would like to see it one day. I just don't know when that will be. Maybe in my golden years.

Make sure you do, it is amazing. Do not go with a guided tour, though. The way they herd those poor people around is terrible. Both my trips I went on my own. The first went in 2011 before I joined here and it really makes me mad when I see folks post about how supposedly terrible the Israelis (and Jews) treat the Arabs and Christians and others. Apartheid my ass. The largest amount of discourse I witnessed was inside the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

 

[louie888]

[...Apartheid my ass.....

 

[teddyearp]

You really have a knack for making a fool of yourself, by showing your abject ignorance. LOL

What name did I call you Teddy? Ignorant is not a name, it is a fact, with respect to you. You obviously have not studied the Bible.

While not totally in the context of name calling in this example, you are calling me a fool. On other occasions you have called me and others clowns, and other example that I will not take the time to search out. But do not forget your favorite name: Hasbara.

As for studying the Bible, I have studied it several times and still do on a daily basis.