White Separatist on Ballot

[William Joyce]

Yet again, in Bozeman, Montana:

http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2005/03/25/news/02schoolboard.txt

On the march!

"Our children are taught about the histories and cultures of Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews and Native Americans but any sense of White racial solidarity or White racial pride is condemned as White racism; and that is not right," McGuire wrote.

He's got my vote!

 

[OCA]

He's gonna get slaughtered. Not only do seperatists preach seperation but along with it goes a healthy dose of violence and murder.

You simply cannot lump all people of one race into one personality and mindset. Unfortunately that line of thinking is lazy.

 

[freeandfun1]

He's gonna get slaughtered. Not only do seperatists preach seperation but along with it goes a healthy dose of violence and murder.

You simply cannot lump all people of one race into one personality and mindset. Unfortunately that line of thinking is lazy.

True, but the man has a point about our education system. And do not forget, these days it is the blacks that are wanting to go back to "separate but equal" school systems. In Milwaukee, Detroit and other cities you are seeing more and more black only public schools popping up because that is how the black community wants it. I say, let's give it to them.

 

[OCA]

True, but the man has a point about our education system. And do not forget, these days it is the blacks that are wanting to go back to "separate but equal" school systems. In Milwaukee, Detroit and other cities you are seeing more and more black only public schools popping up because that is how the black community wants it. I say, let's give it to them.

Free you know my position on this crap, if they want that fine, give it to them, but can we all leave the superiority, inferiority and the White power crap out? That crap is absolutely false. I believe Willie would get buried in 5 minutes in a debate with Condi.

 

[freeandfun1]

Free you know my position on this crap, if they want that fine, give it to them, but can we all leave the superiority, inferiority and the White power crap out? That crap is absolutely false. I believe Willie would get buried in 5 minutes in a debate with Condi.

I am not talking about "white power" or any of that. What I am talking about is how we bend over backward to accomodate minorities and praise them while screw our own kids in their education and while not giving our kids anything to be proud of about THEIR heritage. It is sad.

 

[William Joyce]

He's gonna get slaughtered. Not only do seperatists preach seperation but along with it goes a healthy dose of violence and murder.

Please. This is exactly what the liberal media wants you to believe. Actually, the truth is that separatism DECREASES violence and murder. If you want violence and murder, look at the multiracial society. THAT is the society that doesn't work. Look at the black-on-white crime rate. Blacks are far, far more likely to commit crimes of violence against whites.

You simply cannot lump all people of one race into one personality and mindset. Unfortunately that line of thinking is lazy.

So then what would you call lumping all people of EVERY race into one personality and mindset? That's what the multiracialists do. They believe that human beings are "fungible" goods, i.e., all groups are similar to each other. You believe INDIVIDUALS differ --- why not GROUPS?

 

[pegwinn]

I don't believe that any ethnic group should get taught in a publically funded school. No white history or black. No chicano pilgrimage to detroit crap either. If you want a black or white only school, then privatize it utterly. At that point you can do as you please.

 

[OCA]

You see I see any Whites screaming about racism or being treated unfairly in any situation as absolutely laughable. Somebody check out who runs this country and who has run it from day 1 or who has all the wealth, it sure as fuck ain't any minority. Makes me thinks Whites want all the power then they want to step on the neck at the same time too.

Anyway I do agree with all the crap about having something with the name White pride attatched to it, if you want to do it go for it, don't know what you will gain by having a united white college fund or a miss white America but hey let her rip!

I don't see why we are bothered by this shit, we still have all the advantages and all the opportunities, simply because of skin color. We are not disadvantaged in any way shape or form.

 

[William Joyce]

You see I see any Whites screaming about racism or being treated unfairly in any situation as absolutely laughable. Somebody check out who runs this country and who has run it from day 1 or who has all the wealth, it sure as fuck ain't any minority. Makes me thinks Whites want all the power then they want to step on the neck at the same time too.

Anyway I do agree with all the crap about having something with the name White pride attatched to it, if you want to do it go for it, don't know what you will gain by having a united white college fund or a miss white America but hey let her rip!

I don't see why we are bothered by this shit, we still have all the advantages and all the opportunities, simply because of skin color. We are not disadvantaged in any way shape or form.

You're just repeating the same liberal crap we've heard for years.

Have you ever been told you couldn't have a job because you were white? I have. Have you ever been attacked because you were white? I have. Have you ever ridden the subway? Who do you think steps on necks there? Do you watch TV? Who, in the commercials, is always the bumbling fool? The white male! Who is the "great Satan" of the universities? The white male! How do you get a job in Bushy's cabinet? By being a minority! It's "no whites need apply" at the White House. Your kid can't even go to the University of Michigan because he's white, and you don't think we are "disadvantaged in any way shape or form?" Come on!

You say you don't believe in a Jewish conspiracy, but NOBODY ever seems to complain about the insistence that a "white conspiracy" runs the U.S. But you repeat this like it's gospel truth.

You should ask yourself what you mean by "all the advantages and opportunities." I frankly have never gotten the left-wing crap about "white privilege." Hey, white people do well because they WORK HARD and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. So now, this is an "unfair advantage" that has to be taken from us at gunpoint and given to blacks, who won't work and can't stay off the crack pipe? Bullshit.

 

[pegwinn]

You're just repeating the same liberal crap we've heard for years.

Have you ever been told you couldn't have job because you were white? I have. Have you ever been attacked because you were white? I have. Have you ever ridden the subway? Who do you think steps on necks there? Do you watch TV? Who, in the commercials, is always the bumbling fool? The white male! Who is the "great Satan" of the universities? The white male! How do you get a job in Bushy's cabinet? By being a minority! It's "no whites need apply" at the White House.

You say you don't believe in a Jewish conspiracy, but NOBODY ever seems to complain about the insistence that a "white conspiracy" runs the U.S. But you repeat this like it's gospel truth.

You should ask yourself what you mean by "all the advantages and opportunities." I frankly have never gotten the left-wing crap about "white privilege." Hey, white people do well because they WORK HARD and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. So now, this is an "unfair advantage" that has to be taken from us at gunpoint and given to blacks, who won't work and can't stay off the crack pipe? Bullshit.

Go live in Hawaii for a few years. You can then learn all about racism. See to the natives, anyone who isn't a native hawaiian is haole.

IF YOU ARE WHITE: You will be discriminated against due to your skin color. It will be assumed that you are oppressive. If you are in the wrong place, you will be attacked. IOW, you will learn how to be black.

IF YOU ARE NON-WHITE: You will listen to the natives bitch and moan about every lil misdeed over the past 100 years. You will get really tired of being blamed for everything that went wrong in their history. IOW you will learn to be white.

 

[5stringJeff]

Go live in Hawaii for a few years. You can then learn all about racism. See to the natives, anyone who isn't a native hawaiian is haole.

IF YOU ARE WHITE: You will be discriminated against due to your skin color. It will be assumed that you are oppressive. If you are in the wrong place, you will be attacked. IOW, you will learn how to be black.

IF YOU ARE NON-WHITE: You will listen to the natives bitch and moan about every lil misdeed over the past 100 years. You will get really tired of being blamed for everything that went wrong in their history. IOW you will learn to be white.

True 'dat about Hawaii. I spent two years of my childhood being a haole boy.

As far as Mr. KKK running for office, I hope he gets beat out by the Green Party candidate.

 

[Merlin1047]

Please. This is exactly what the liberal media wants you to believe. Actually, the truth is that separatism DECREASES violence and murder. If you want violence and murder, look at the multiracial society. THAT is the society that doesn't work. Look at the black-on-white crime rate. Blacks are far, far more likely to commit crimes of violence against whites.

Oh boy, oh boy. Do I ever get to call an enthusiastic "BULLSHIT!!!!" on that statement. William, you are using statistics skewed to support a racist viewpoint. You are being dishonest in the process and you should be ashamed.

First, violent crime statistics in general: (data from Bureau of Justice)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/racetab.htm
Serious violent victimization rates by race, 1973-2003
Serious violent crimes included are homicide, rape, robbery, and both simple and aggravated assault.

Adjusted rate per 1,000 persons age 12+
Year White Black
1973 20.0 37.3
1974 20.9 37.3
1975 19.1 36.7
1976 18.8 38.2
1977 19.4 34.4
1978 18.8 33.2
1979 19.6 33.2
1980 18.7 34.0
1981 19.7 40.4
1982 19.0 36.9
1983 16.3 33.1
1984 17.1 32.7
1985 15.6 28.9
1986 15.6 25.2
1987 15.0 33.8
1988 16.0 31.4
1989 16.1 29.5
1990 15.4 31.8
1991 16.2 31.3
1992 16.9 33.0
1993 17.8 34.3
1994 17.1 33.5
1995 13.5 26.4
1996 13.3 26.3
1997 12.9 20.7
1998 11.6 19.2
1999 10.2 19.5
2000 8.7 16.2
2001 8.4 12.7
2002 6.6 13.0
2003 6.5 12.8

This proves that there has been a decrease in the violent crime rate of 376% since 1973.

Here is probably one of the sites from which you get your stats. It's "Jerry's Aryan Battle Page". Certainly a credible and unbiased source, but his stats support your assertion - after a fashion.

http://www.jabpage.org/features/racestat/racestat3.html
Murder Victim - Offender Relationship by Race
Source: Crime in the United States, 2003, Table 2.7
Year 2003 Race of offender
_______________"White" _________Black_____ Other_____ Unknown
White victims .......3017................. 501........... 44................ 41
Black victims .........226................ 2864............. 8................ 49
Victims of other race 47................... 26...........122................. 4
Victims of unk race.. 33................... 21............. 2................ 19

In 2003, there were 7024 US murders having a single perpetrator and a single victim. Of these murders, Blacks committed 3415 (48.6%) and Whites committed 3323 (47.3%). The Black per capita murder rate was 6.4 times higher than the White per capita murder rate.
There were at least 852 interracial murders (12.1% of total murders), of which 527 were committed by Blacks (61.9% of interracial murders) and 273 were committed by Whites (32.0%). The Black per capita interracial murder rate was 12.0 times higher than that for Whites.

There were 501 murders in which Blacks killed Whites (58.8% of interracial murders) and 226 murders in which Whites killed Blacks (26.5%). The average Black was 13.8 times more likely to kill a White than the reverse (in a one-on-one situation).

The (White+Hispanic)/Black population ratio for 2003 was 6.22.

Interracial murder ratios should be understood to be ratios of known interracial murders. No interracial murders were assumed to have happened when the race of either victim or murderer is unknown.

Hispanics were NOT removed from the "Whites" in these tables. See this page for why this is important. Somewhere between 18% and 38% of the violent crimes that the Justice Department attributes to "Whites" were committed by Latinos, Arabs, Jews or by a member of some other non-White ethnic group.

The Justice Department uses its "White" category as a racial miscellaneous bin. When I correct for the government's ****-loading the White offender totals, I usually assume that one-quarter of the crimes alleged to have "White" perpetrators were committed by some sort of brownish non-White.

The government can't make Whites out of non-Whites by passing laws or making policies, any more than it can change the value of p to 3.0000 for the convenience of engineers and architects. But they certainly have managed to impart confusion in the interpretation of their crime statistics—probably intentionally, don't you think?

When you remove the brownies from the "White" offender totals, the per capita rate ratio of Black-on-White murders to White-on-Black murders becomes (typically) about 23. This ratio is a measure of the relative higher capacity of Blacks for racial hatred and of the relatively higher propensity of Blacks toward violence, as compared with Whites.

Similarly, the per capita rate ratio of White-perpetrator murders to Black-perpetrator murders becomes (typically) about 9.5. This ratio is a measure of the relatively higher propensity of Blacks toward violence, as compared with Whites.

We divide the ratios to determine, as a plausible guess at least, that Blacks have about 23/9.5 = 2.4 times the capacity for hatred that Whites do.

Further, these data include only murders having a single perpetrator and a single victim. Most White killers are lone operators, whereas many Blacks kill in packs or gangs as a cooperative activity. If all murders were included, the proportion of Blacks among the perpetrators would be even higher than indicated above.

Apparently Jerry is not too bright, because he posts statistics which do not support the racist conclusions he draws from them. In 2003, whites committed 3017 violent crimes against other whites and 226 violent crimes against blacks. Blacks committed 2846 violent crimes against other blacks and 501 against whites. Somehow the inference is drawn that blacks are victimizing whites at a much higher rate than whites victimize blacks. Of course, that couldn't be due to the fact that white criminals don't frequent black neighborhoods all that often, could it?

If you fail to look beyond the numbers, you might believe this baloney. It is a fact that blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites. You would have us believe that this is because blacks are inferior beings who hate whites. But how can you ignore the socio-economic factors which often foment crime? Do you deny that poverty is an engine of crime? How do you suppose statistics would compare if you looked only at poverty stricken whites and blacks and then ran a comparative percentage rate?

I believe you mentioned that you're a lawyer. I believe you. There are very few people on the planet with less regard for the truth.

 

[William Joyce]

It is a fact that blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites. You would have us believe that this is because blacks are inferior beings who hate whites. But how can you ignore the socio-economic factors which often foment crime? Do you deny that poverty is an engine of crime? How do you suppose statistics would compare if you looked only at poverty stricken whites and blacks and then ran a comparative percentage rate?

The more we understand about genetics --- an understanding that continues to improve the more that research is done --- the more we come to see that races are, in fact, different. It is theorized that these difference are the result of environmental pressures over millions of years that caused different evolutionary outcomes. In other words, very long-term environmental factors, not the short-term factors you mention, which are the result of genetics, not their own cause.

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Poverty and crime find their root in the same thing: human behavior. Yes, a poor person might be more likely to commit a crime, say, to get food. But why not ask why that person is poor in the first place? Are you aware of the statistics on IQ and wealth? It is practically an iron-clad rule that the smarter you are, the less likely you are to live in poverty. Look at the tables in the Bell Curve. Yes, a black person with an IQ of 110 is, by those stats, able to achieve as much as a white person with an IQ of 110. The difference is that 85 percent of blacks have IQ's below that of whites. And these differences are genetic, not "social."

The assumption is that the "inner city," as we like to call black neighborhoods, produces crime and poverty as if by magic, that it's a self-perpetuating phenomenon that is its own cause. But nothing (except maybe God) is its own cause. And there are no white or Asian equivalents. Blacks themselves are the ones creating these conditions.

I mean, nobody ever wants to trace things to the obvious source: it is said, well a black boy has for an example an absent black father and a violent black male neighbor. But why is the father absent to begin with? Why is the male neighbor violent to begin with? If blacks are just like whites, then why don't the STOP being violent, STOP abandoning their children, STOP doing all the bad stuff? Who is holding them back? It's not evil white conservatives, sneaking in to the 'hood, I can assure you (though many liberals are convinced of this).

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

The more we understand about genetics --- an understanding that continues to improve the more that research is done --- the more we come to see that races are, in fact, different. It is theorized that these difference are the result of environmental pressures over millions of years that caused different evolutionary outcomes. In other words, very long-term environmental factors, not the short-term factors you mention, which are the result of genetics, not their own cause.

I guess that according to your logic, Jews must be genetically superior to white Christians? Otherwise, how did they get to take over the whole world?

I actually do believe there are statistically relevant genetic differences between the races. However, they are absolutely dwarfed by the much larger genetic differences between individuals within the race. Measure the individual on HIS qualities, not on the opinion that his race might have statistically bigger/faster/smarter/more creative traits.

The difference is that 85 percent of blacks have IQ's below that of whites. And these differences are genetic, not "social."

Even if you were right about that, and we ignored the fact that IQ tests are highly biased towards the culture that created them, any statistical difference between the IQs of blacks and whites are going to be relatively tiny. Sure, a man with an IQ of 110 might have a much better chance of getting rich than a man with an IQ of 70, but what happens when you compare him to a man with an IQ of 109?

Let's look at it another way. You are against affirmative action, right? Affirmative action is choosing someone for the position based on their race or gender, not on their abilities. You are suggesting that all blacks are bad because some of them have low IQs. Why don't we do what you REALLY seem to want and segregate people based on their IQs? That way, we will only be left with the smartest, richest, and least criminally inclined people. You certainly won't have any problems if some of them happen to be black, and most of them are Jewish (Jews are rich so they must be smart), right?

The assumption is that the "inner city," as we like to call black neighborhoods, produces crime and poverty as if by magic, that it's a self-perpetuating phenomenon that is its own cause. But nothing (except maybe God) is its own cause. And there are no white or Asian equivalents. Blacks themselves are the ones creating these conditions.

Maybe that is an American thing. Here in Canada we don't have black slums, we have trailer parks populated with... WHITE PEOPLE!

I mean, nobody ever wants to trace things to the obvious source: it is said, well a black boy has for an example an absent black father and a violent black male neighbor. But why is the father absent to begin with? Why is the male neighbor violent to begin with? If blacks are just like whites, then why don't the STOP being violent, STOP abandoning their children, STOP doing all the bad stuff? Who is holding them back? It's not evil white conservatives, sneaking in to the 'hood, I can assure you (though many liberals are convinced of this).

This I can finally agree with. No one but the individual should be blamed for that individual's decision to do bad things and that is the truth no matter what race you are. If your life sucks, it is up to you to make it better. Some people will be born into good conditions and won't have to work hard, others won't be so lucky and will have to work harder. Life isn't fair, end of story. Where I won't agree with you is that this is a uniquely black problem. Not all blacks can be blamed for delinquent black fathers just like not all whites can be blamed for white child molesters (or pick any other bad behaviour you want).

 

[freeandfun1]

Even if you were right about that, and we ignored the fact that IQ tests are highly biased towards the culture that created them

Explain how this is so. Intelligence is intelligence no matter what race you are from. How do you explain Asian doing so well on IQ tests? They didn't create it. You are implying that whites do better because they created the test. What an IGNORANT statement.

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

Explain how this is so. Intelligence is intelligence no matter what race you are from. How do you explain Asian doing so well on IQ tests? They didn't create it. You are implying that whites do better because they created the test. What an IGNORANT statement.

I didn't make that up, it is a well known concern with IQ tests.
http://www.wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceCulturalBias.html

The problem is that an IQ test is a test that can't measure intelligence directly, it attempts to infer your intelligence based on how you answer questions. It isn't exactly like putting a car on a dyno and measuring horsepower! Although some things are pretty universal, like spacial questions based on pictures, other sections can be more difficult simply based on the language that is used. Since most IQ tests are time limited, differences could show up based on how much time it takes you to read the questions.

I wonder if you read my comment to mean that if a white does better in an IQ test, it must be because the test is easier for whites? I said no such thing. If there is a statistically significant difference in IQ test results, people will try to come up with reasons why and cultural bias is one possible explanation. Please keep in mind though that when talking about statistical differences, we are talking about a couple IQ points over millions of people. It certainly doesn't mean that one individual white man with an IQ of 150 is any more or less "intelligent" than one individual black man with an IQ of 150. Your individual IQ result will probably change from year to year more than the statistical difference between the races.

...the fact that the average IQ of one racial group is a few points higher than that of another does not allow anyone to say that all members of the higher IQ group have higher IQs than all members of the lower IQ group....

http://skepdic.com/iqrace.html

This is the important point to remember and what I was trying to get at. We aren't talking about differences of 50 IQ points, we are talking about a difference of just a few points.

 

[freeandfun1]

But IQ tests are often given in the language of the person taking the test. If a person cannot read their own language....

Also, IQ tests generally focus on things such as comparison of figures, etc. I am just stating that I, in know way, believe IQ tests are skewed toward any one group. I believe that how well one does on their IQ test 1) has a lot to do with genetics and 2) has a lot to do with how much one learns at a very early age.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but again, I in no way believe IQ tests are not fair toward all. But hey, that is just my opinion. I am, by far, not an expert on IQ tests. Although I have taken a couple.

 

[William Joyce]

I guess that according to your logic, Jews must be genetically superior to white Christians? Otherwise, how did they get to take over the whole world?

Yes. Statistics show that Ashenzi (or European-derived) Jews are in fact smarter, on average, that white gentiles or white Christians. In fact, they have the highest verbal IQ's of any race or ethnic group in the world.

I may be a terrible white separatist, but I do my best to acknowledge facts, and the fact is that whites are not always "superior."

 

[freeandfun1]

Yes. Statistics show that Ashenzi (or European-derived) Jews are in fact smarter, on average, that white gentiles or white Christians. In fact, they have the highest verbal IQ's of any race or ethnic group in the world.

I may be a terrible white separatist, but I do my best to acknowledge facts, and the fact is that whites are not always "superior."

How do Asian fare?

 

[007]

OK, lets see, the blacks want to be called "African Americans", and you know what? That was the first instance I'd ever heard of anyone "born in America" wanting to be called something "different". So why do they want to be called "African Americans"?

My take is because they want anyone that's black to be distinguished "seperately" from everyone else by name. Now isn't that "seperatism" at it's core?