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Yet the data shows a definite warming trend. Remember when you said that the globe was cooling....yeah that was wrong.
White House blames 'polar vortex' on global warming in blog post.
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Yet the data shows a definite warming trend. Remember when you said that the globe was cooling....yeah that was wrong.
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yeah, they make it up after the fact, like in this article:
Arctic warming, jet stream coupling may mean another winter of extreme storms and cold air outbreaks for eastern U.S.
Oh, wait, that is BEFORE
Arctic warming, jet stream coupling may mean another winter of extreme storms and cold air outbreaks for eastern U.S.
Oh, wait, that is BEFORE
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Right now we MAY be warming SLIGHTLY, but it will cool very very soon
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LOL, so before you said we were cooling. That was shown to be wrong.
Now we get your next nugget of wisdom. Which I am sure is just as well informed as your previous statement.
Where the **** do you turnips come from??
Sallow
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The notion that the world is some sort of infinite dumping ground is absurd.
You shit where you eat, it's going to get you eventually.
The "joke" is, the well monied polluters have you folks towing their lines while they drink your milkshake.
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And where do you get your facts? Because actual facts suggest you're very wrong. We are in fact getting warmer, no matter how you look at it.
See for yourself... http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
That chart alone disproves man made global warming.... Not to mention in the last 20 years of the chart YOU just posted the temperatures taper off and decrees... Is the world suddenly using less fossil fuels? Were cannons causing more Co2 back in the 1800's and early 1900's than mega freeways and traveling by plane, and of course there being like 5 billion more prople on the planet?
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The whole thing is a LIE....always has been nothing more than an attempt by the left to deindustrialize the USA and create massive unemployment. A couple warm years gave algore an idea how he could become "relevant" again and make a fortune. So he invented this hoax, got weakling college professors and leftist-hive members grant money to phony up some research. The MSM quickly jumped in with dire forecasts of how we'd all drown within ten years if we continued using carbon energy. But they needed a respected agency to verify the concept....enter NASA, being defunded and on the ropes. The birdmen quickly saw a chance to save their jobs and faked satellite data for renewed funding. Got to the point where the bandwagon effect was so strong that saying you doubted any of it being true was blasphemy. Critics either shut up or were shut down. PBS quickly saw a chance to get their funding increased after 2007 by airing crapumentaries futhering the hoax. To this day, after all the other players have been exposed and laughed at, PBS continues the farce in the face of new satellite data showing the ice field at the North Pole doubling in the last year. This would be funny except for the fact billions of taxpayer dollars have been lost to this scheme. Will there ever be proscecutions of those who've lined their pockets by duping the airheads? Or will somebody important finally decide there was never any "manmade" gorebal warming, declare we missed armageddon by an eyelash, and simply slink back into the shadows?
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And where do you get your facts? Because actual facts suggest you're very wrong. We are in fact getting warmer, no matter how you look at it.
See for yourself... http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
That chart alone disproves man made global warming.... Not to mention in the last 20 years of the chart YOU just posted the temperatures taper off and decrees... Is the world suddenly using less fossil fuels? Were cannons causing more Co2 back in the 1800's and early 1900's than mega freeways and traveling by plane, and of course there being like 5 billion more prople on the planet?
Ok first you spelled the word "privet", now "decrees". I have to ask....what level of education have you completed because those are terrible ******* spellings that make you look like a total idiot.
Now to your "point". The are dips on many spots if you look a the 40's or 60's there are clear dips but they always rebound and continue to increase even higher. The earth has been warming since industry has become a way of life.
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Would explain why you think the surface of the earth is cooling.
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i'm going to die happy on CA central coast, which has had no climate change
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dear idiots,
a polor vortex is an extreme weather condition.
that is part of the results of GW.
be stupid if you must.
Don't expect educated people to join your ******* lie filled fake world
a polor vortex is an extreme weather condition.
that is part of the results of GW.
be stupid if you must.
Don't expect educated people to join your ******* lie filled fake world
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Our deadbeat atheists found RELIGON with gorebal warming. Don't stand for something, fall for anything...and boy howdy did they ever!
Remember the "melting glaciers"? Nothin but a hoax...read em and weep ya angry old hippies:
From 2010:
Millenniums-long melting trend now appears to be changing. No matter how assiduously Mr. Gore tries to ignore it, almost all of the ice-covered regions of the Earth are now gaining mass. (Or, displaying positive values, if you will.)
For starters, let’s look at those Himalayan glaciers. In a great article, entitled “World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown,” Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings show that the IPCC’s fraudulent claims were based on “speculation” and “not supported by any formal research.”
As a matter of fact, many Himalayan glaciers are growing. In a defiant act of political incorrectness, some 230 glaciers in the western Himalayas - including Mount Everest, K2 and Nanga Parbat - are actually growing.
•“These are the biggest mid-latitude glaciers in the world,” says John Shroder of the University of Nebraska-Omaha. “And all of them are either holding still, or advancing.”
And get this. Eighty seven of the glaciers have surged forward since the 1960s.
So much for Mr. Gore’s “more than 80 glaciers.”
(I don’t know how many Himalayan glaciers are being monitored, but my guess would be fewer than a thousand, so it’s possible that hundreds more are growing. There aren’t enough glaciologists in the world to monitor them all.)
But we don’t need to look to the Himalayas for growing glaciers. Glaciers are growing in the United States.
Yes, glaciers are growing in the United States.
Look at Washington State. The Nisqually Glacier on Mt. Rainier is growing. The Emmons Glacier on Mt. Rainier is growing. Glaciers on Glacier Peak in northern Washington are growing. And Crater Glacier on Mt. Saint Helens is now larger than it was before the 1980 eruption. (I don’t think all of the glaciers in Washington or Alaska are being monitored either.)
Or look at California. All seven glaciers on California’s Mount Shasta are growing. This includes three-mile-long Whitney glacier, the state’s largest. Three of Mount Shasta’s glaciers have doubled in size since 1950.
Or look at Alaska. Glaciers are growing in Alaska for the first time in 250 years. In May of last year, Alaska’s Hubbard Glacier was advancing at the rate of seven feet (two meters) per day - more than half-a-mile per year. And in Icy Bay, at least three glaciers advanced a third of a mile (one half kilometer) in one year.
Oh, by the way. The Juneau Icefield, with its “positive values,” covers 1,505 square miles (3,900 sq km) and is the fifth-largest ice field in the Western Hemisphere. Rather interesting to know that Gore’s own source admits that the fifth-largest ice field in the Western Hemisphere is growing, don’t you think?
But this mere handful of growing glaciers is just an anomaly, the erstwhile Mr. Gore would have you believe.
Well, let’s look at a few other countries.
•Perito Moreno Glacier, the largest glacier in Argentina, is growing.
•Pio XI Glacier, the largest glacier in Chile, is growing.
•Glaciers are growing on Mt. Logan, the tallest mountain in Canada.
•Glaciers are growing on Mt. Blanc, the tallest mountain in France.
•Glaciers are growing in Norway, says the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE).
•And the last time I checked, all 50 glaciers in New Zealand were growing.
But this is nothing. These glaciers are babies when you look at our planet’s largest ice masses, namely, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets.
Contrary to what you may have heard, both of those huge ice sheets are growing.
•In 2007, Antarctica set a new record for most ice extent since 1979, says meteorologist Joe D’Aleo. While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years, and ice near it diminished during the summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and the ice extent greater.
Antarctic sea ice is also increasing. According to Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison, sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years have been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.
•The Antarctic Peninsula, where the ice has been melting, is only about 1/50th the size of east Antarctica, where the ice has been growing. Saying that all of Antarctica is melting is like looking at the climate of Oregon and saying that this applies to the entire United States.
There was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting, says Dr. Allison. “The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west.” And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.
“A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.”
What about Greenland?
Greenland’s ice-cap has thickened slightly in recent years despite wide predictions of a thaw triggered by global warming, said a team of scientists in October 2005.
The 3,000-meter (9,842-feet) thick ice-cap is a key concern in debates about climate change because a total melt would raise world sea levels by about 7 meters.
But satellite measurements show that more snow is falling and thickening the ice-cap, especially at high altitudes, according to the report in the journal Science.
The overall ice thickness changes are approximately plus 5 cm (1.9 inches) per year or 54 cm (21.26 inches) over 11 years, according to the experts at Norwegian, Russian and U.S. institutes led by Ola Johannessen at the Mohn Sverdrup center for Global Ocean Studies and Operational Oceanography in Norway.
Not overwhelming growth, certainly, but a far cry from the catastrophic melting that we’ve been lead to believe.
Think about that.
•The Antarctic Ice Sheet is almost twice as big as the contiguous United States.
Put the Antarctic and Greenland Ice Sheets together, and they’re one hundred times bigger than all of the rest of the world’s glaciers combined.
More than 90 percent of the world’s glaciers are growing, in other words, and all we hear about are the ones that are shrinking.
But if so many of the world’s glaciers are growing, how can sea levels remain the same?
They can’t. The sea level models are wrong.
During the last ice age, sea levels stood some 370 feet (100 meters) lower than today. That’s where all of the moisture came from to create those two-mile-high sheets of ice that covered so much of the north.
And just as the ice has been melting for 11,000 years, so too were sea levels rising during those same years.
But the rising has stopped.
Forget those IPCC claims. Sea levels are not rising, says Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, one-time expert reviewer for the IPCC.
Dr. Mörner, who received his PhD in geology in 1969, is one of the greatest - if not the greatest - sea level experts in the world today. He has worked with sea level problems for 40 years in areas scattered all over the globe.
•“There is no change,” says Mörner. “Sea level is not changing in any way.”
•“There is absolutely no sea-level rise in Tuvalo,” Mörner insists. “There is no change here, and there is zero sea-level rise in Bangladesh. If anything, sea levels have lowered in Bangladesh.”
“We do not need to fear sea-level rise,” says Mörner. “(But) we should have a fear of those people who fooled us.”
So there you have it. More falsehoods from Al Gore, the multimillionaire businessman who some say is set to become the world’s first carbon billionaire.
Our glaciers are growing, not melting—and the seas are not rising.
Our glaciers are growing, not melting - More falsehoods from Al Gore
Remember the "melting glaciers"? Nothin but a hoax...read em and weep ya angry old hippies:
From 2010:
Millenniums-long melting trend now appears to be changing. No matter how assiduously Mr. Gore tries to ignore it, almost all of the ice-covered regions of the Earth are now gaining mass. (Or, displaying positive values, if you will.)
For starters, let’s look at those Himalayan glaciers. In a great article, entitled “World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown,” Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings show that the IPCC’s fraudulent claims were based on “speculation” and “not supported by any formal research.”
As a matter of fact, many Himalayan glaciers are growing. In a defiant act of political incorrectness, some 230 glaciers in the western Himalayas - including Mount Everest, K2 and Nanga Parbat - are actually growing.
•“These are the biggest mid-latitude glaciers in the world,” says John Shroder of the University of Nebraska-Omaha. “And all of them are either holding still, or advancing.”
And get this. Eighty seven of the glaciers have surged forward since the 1960s.
So much for Mr. Gore’s “more than 80 glaciers.”
(I don’t know how many Himalayan glaciers are being monitored, but my guess would be fewer than a thousand, so it’s possible that hundreds more are growing. There aren’t enough glaciologists in the world to monitor them all.)
But we don’t need to look to the Himalayas for growing glaciers. Glaciers are growing in the United States.
Yes, glaciers are growing in the United States.
Look at Washington State. The Nisqually Glacier on Mt. Rainier is growing. The Emmons Glacier on Mt. Rainier is growing. Glaciers on Glacier Peak in northern Washington are growing. And Crater Glacier on Mt. Saint Helens is now larger than it was before the 1980 eruption. (I don’t think all of the glaciers in Washington or Alaska are being monitored either.)
Or look at California. All seven glaciers on California’s Mount Shasta are growing. This includes three-mile-long Whitney glacier, the state’s largest. Three of Mount Shasta’s glaciers have doubled in size since 1950.
Or look at Alaska. Glaciers are growing in Alaska for the first time in 250 years. In May of last year, Alaska’s Hubbard Glacier was advancing at the rate of seven feet (two meters) per day - more than half-a-mile per year. And in Icy Bay, at least three glaciers advanced a third of a mile (one half kilometer) in one year.
Oh, by the way. The Juneau Icefield, with its “positive values,” covers 1,505 square miles (3,900 sq km) and is the fifth-largest ice field in the Western Hemisphere. Rather interesting to know that Gore’s own source admits that the fifth-largest ice field in the Western Hemisphere is growing, don’t you think?
But this mere handful of growing glaciers is just an anomaly, the erstwhile Mr. Gore would have you believe.
Well, let’s look at a few other countries.
•Perito Moreno Glacier, the largest glacier in Argentina, is growing.
•Pio XI Glacier, the largest glacier in Chile, is growing.
•Glaciers are growing on Mt. Logan, the tallest mountain in Canada.
•Glaciers are growing on Mt. Blanc, the tallest mountain in France.
•Glaciers are growing in Norway, says the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE).
•And the last time I checked, all 50 glaciers in New Zealand were growing.
But this is nothing. These glaciers are babies when you look at our planet’s largest ice masses, namely, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets.
Contrary to what you may have heard, both of those huge ice sheets are growing.
•In 2007, Antarctica set a new record for most ice extent since 1979, says meteorologist Joe D’Aleo. While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years, and ice near it diminished during the summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and the ice extent greater.
Antarctic sea ice is also increasing. According to Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison, sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years have been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.
•The Antarctic Peninsula, where the ice has been melting, is only about 1/50th the size of east Antarctica, where the ice has been growing. Saying that all of Antarctica is melting is like looking at the climate of Oregon and saying that this applies to the entire United States.
There was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting, says Dr. Allison. “The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west.” And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.
“A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.”
What about Greenland?
Greenland’s ice-cap has thickened slightly in recent years despite wide predictions of a thaw triggered by global warming, said a team of scientists in October 2005.
The 3,000-meter (9,842-feet) thick ice-cap is a key concern in debates about climate change because a total melt would raise world sea levels by about 7 meters.
But satellite measurements show that more snow is falling and thickening the ice-cap, especially at high altitudes, according to the report in the journal Science.
The overall ice thickness changes are approximately plus 5 cm (1.9 inches) per year or 54 cm (21.26 inches) over 11 years, according to the experts at Norwegian, Russian and U.S. institutes led by Ola Johannessen at the Mohn Sverdrup center for Global Ocean Studies and Operational Oceanography in Norway.
Not overwhelming growth, certainly, but a far cry from the catastrophic melting that we’ve been lead to believe.
Think about that.
•The Antarctic Ice Sheet is almost twice as big as the contiguous United States.
Put the Antarctic and Greenland Ice Sheets together, and they’re one hundred times bigger than all of the rest of the world’s glaciers combined.
More than 90 percent of the world’s glaciers are growing, in other words, and all we hear about are the ones that are shrinking.
But if so many of the world’s glaciers are growing, how can sea levels remain the same?
They can’t. The sea level models are wrong.
During the last ice age, sea levels stood some 370 feet (100 meters) lower than today. That’s where all of the moisture came from to create those two-mile-high sheets of ice that covered so much of the north.
And just as the ice has been melting for 11,000 years, so too were sea levels rising during those same years.
But the rising has stopped.
Forget those IPCC claims. Sea levels are not rising, says Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, one-time expert reviewer for the IPCC.
Dr. Mörner, who received his PhD in geology in 1969, is one of the greatest - if not the greatest - sea level experts in the world today. He has worked with sea level problems for 40 years in areas scattered all over the globe.
•“There is no change,” says Mörner. “Sea level is not changing in any way.”
•“There is absolutely no sea-level rise in Tuvalo,” Mörner insists. “There is no change here, and there is zero sea-level rise in Bangladesh. If anything, sea levels have lowered in Bangladesh.”
“We do not need to fear sea-level rise,” says Mörner. “(But) we should have a fear of those people who fooled us.”
So there you have it. More falsehoods from Al Gore, the multimillionaire businessman who some say is set to become the world’s first carbon billionaire.
Our glaciers are growing, not melting—and the seas are not rising.
Our glaciers are growing, not melting - More falsehoods from Al Gore
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We know that no single weather episode proves or disproves climate change. Climate refers to the patterns observed in the weather over time and space – in terms of averages, variations, and probabilities. But we also know that this week’s cold spell is of a type there’s reason to believe may become more frequent in a world that’s getting warmer, on average, because of greenhouse-gas pollution.
We the Geeks: ?Polar Vortex? and Extreme Weather | The White House
It may or it may not.
You reactionaries are a hoot.
We the Geeks: ?Polar Vortex? and Extreme Weather | The White House
It may or it may not.
You reactionaries are a hoot.
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Turns out the "reactionaries" are you "progressives" who've based your world-view on concepts from Joseph Stalin in the 1930's. BTW, why did the Kyoto Treaty exempt China and India despite the fact they pump more smoke into the atmosphere than the rest of the world combined?
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Our deadbeat atheists found RELIGON with gorebal warming. Don't stand for something, fall for anything...and boy howdy did they ever!
Remember the "melting glaciers"? Nothin but a hoax...read em and weep ya angry old hippies:
Our glaciers are growing, not melting - More falsehoods from Al Gore
Although Glaciologists measure year-to-year changes in glacier activity, it is the long term changes which provide the basis for statements such as "Global Glacier Recession Continues". Some Skeptics confuse these issues by cherry picking individual glaciers or by ignoring long term trends. Diversions such as these do not address the most important question of what is the real state of glaciers globally?
The answer is not only clear but it is definitive and based on the scientific literature. Globally glaciers are losing ice at an extensive rate (Figure 1). There are still situations in which glaciers gain or lose ice more than typical for one region or another but the long term trends are all the same, and about 90% of glaciers are shrinking worldwide
It is also very important to understand that glacier changes are not only dictated by air temperature changes but also by precipitation. Therefore, there are scenarios in which warming can lead to increases in precipitation (and thus glacier ice accumulation) such as displayed in part of southwestern Norway during the 1990s (Nesje et al 2008).
The bottom line is that glacier variations can be dependent on localized conditions but that these variations are superimposed on a clear and evident long term global reduction in glacier volume which has accelerated rapidly since the 1970s.
Are glaciers growing or retreating?
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