Which Came First Creation Or Evolution?

[edthecynic]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

Prove He didn’t.

I didn't make the claim.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Weatherman2020]

You can't even explain how hydrogen and helium exist in abundance in space (let alone how all the other elements came into existence), but only makes up around 1% of the earth. So quit lying.

good luck, evolution began with the inexorable creation of the living elements of the periodic table there is no reason to look any further for their physiology and the metaphysical forces that bind them together.

let alone how all the other elements came into existence ... evolution began with the inexorable creation of the living elements

that is a good question, how did the elements come into existence - why is there a concise periodic table. those answers will someday be found, by science how the elements became alive - and from there the environmental conditions for physiology.

If there is no creation I want to know why hydrogen and carbon want to post on USMB.

If there is no creation -

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you are such a jerk, the water molecule is post creation and because you are so stupid let me suggest for your simple imagination their combination is proof of the first form of life in the universe and their affinity demonstrates the metaphysical forces used in their creation.

in John 3:16 and having faith.

For God so loved the world, that he (they) gave his (their) only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (them) should not perish, but have everlasting life.


another of your 4th century forgeries bond - the 1st century was for individual enlightenment in pursuit of the religion of Antiquity - the religion of Antiquity does not have a christ that is something you need to add to your 4th century document to clairify what you are saying.

How do you know it’s post creation?

For what reason do molecules communicate?

 

[Weatherman2020]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

Prove He didn’t.

I didn't make the claim.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

You claim chaos naturally evolves into order.

I skipped that day in physics, fill us in

 

[Votto]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

Prove He didn’t.

I didn't make the claim.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

You claim chaos naturally evolves into order.

I skipped that day in physics, fill us in

Obama leaves

Trump enters.

Got it?

 

[BreezeWood]

You can't even explain how hydrogen and helium exist in abundance in space (let alone how all the other elements came into existence), but only makes up around 1% of the earth. So quit lying.

good luck, evolution began with the inexorable creation of the living elements of the periodic table there is no reason to look any further for their physiology and the metaphysical forces that bind them together.

let alone how all the other elements came into existence ... evolution began with the inexorable creation of the living elements

that is a good question, how did the elements come into existence - why is there a concise periodic table. those answers will someday be found, by science how the elements became alive - and from there the environmental conditions for physiology.

If there is no creation I want to know why hydrogen and carbon want to post on USMB.

If there is no creation -

View attachment 210514

you are such a jerk, the water molecule is post creation and because you are so stupid let me suggest for your simple imagination their combination is proof of the first form of life in the universe and their affinity demonstrates the metaphysical forces used in their creation.

in John 3:16 and having faith.

For God so loved the world, that he (they) gave his (their) only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (them) should not perish, but have everlasting life.


another of your 4th century forgeries bond - the 1st century was for individual enlightenment in pursuit of the religion of Antiquity - the religion of Antiquity does not have a christ that is something you need to add to your 4th century document to clairify what you are saying.

How do you know it’s post creation?

For what reason do molecules communicate?

.

How do you know it’s post creation?

For what reason do molecules communicate?

they are post creation because they are alive - they communicate because they are specific and the periodic table is concise.

 

[Votto]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

The Big Bang was the beginning of space and time

At least, that is what science tells us.

So now God is the big bang.

God caused the Big Bang.

The space/time dimension we live in now is but one form of existence. Science tells us there are many others we have no way to comprehend.

 

[Skull Pilot]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

The Big Bang was the beginning of space and time

At least, that is what science tells us.

So now God is the big bang.

God caused the Big Bang.

The space/time dimension we live in now is but one form of existence. Science tells us there are many others we have no way to comprehend.

What makes you think we comprehend this one?

We don't know Jack shit about 96% of the energy and matter in the universe we can observe

What's 96 Percent of the Universe Made Of? Astronomers Don't Know

 

[edthecynic]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

Prove He didn’t.

I didn't make the claim.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

You claim chaos naturally evolves into order.

I skipped that day in physics, fill us in

Link!

 

[edthecynic]

God caused the Big Bang.

Prove it.

 

[Votto]

God caused the Big Bang.

Prove it.

We can know nothing from science except from after the Big Bang.

There is no proving it.

Your only option is to believe it happened by itself for an unknown reason.

 

[Weatherman2020]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

Prove He didn’t.

I didn't make the claim.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

You claim chaos naturally evolves into order.

I skipped that day in physics, fill us in

Link!

Oh, you’re a creationist then.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But if you say it you won't be the highest form of life and you are unwilling to concede that.

I have no idea what this means. But I will guess:

I don't know if gods exist or not. But that is irrelevant to the evidence.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your only option is to believe it happened by itself for an unknown reason.

Wrong...the third option is, "I don't know". You might want to consider that third option,instead of insisting upon a magical being.

 

[hobelim]

Even Jesus had to accept Satan as god of this world when he tempted him by saying, “I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world if you bow down and worship me” Matthew 4:8-9. He knew that he could do this because while God created earth and it is his, he is not the god of this world and thus there is a conflict of interest between God and Satan.

lol...Jesus wasn't talking to any "god of this world."

That story is just about some guy in robes trying to talk Jesus out of doing what he knew was right by saying something like,

" Whats wrong with you Jeez? Why are you so upset about things? The romans aren't so bad. They brought us law and order. You are such a nice guy, smart, good looking, talented. Everyone likes you. You make beautiful furniture! Why rock the boat? Why be such a party pooper? Take a good look around. Anything you want can be yours. You could make tons of money, live on easy street, and have the whole world at your feet if you would just take my advice, get with the program, and quit all that crazy talk about good and evil and right and wrong....

This is the religious forum. God's Word is the objective truth and he gives us objective judgment. Jesus was tempted, but he sent Satan away. He didn't succumb to his tempting temptations. Lesser men would not have been able to pass up the offer if they were thirsty and hungry. The key is Jesus recognized Satan's power even though his power was greater. He acknowledged Satan's power and was able to avoid his wicked temptations.

I would not trust the Romans during that time. A few helped, but most were against Christianity.

Sure Jesus was tempted and he sent Satan away.. but what do you think Satan was? Some disembodied entity whispering in his head to jump off the roof of the temple or just some jerk challenging his claim of being the Son of God?

The point being what you think of as "the god of this world" was not some voice in his head from a powerful preternatural malevolent invisible entity that eats peoples souls.... very scary. lol...

Satan , the great and powerful, "god of this world", was just some nameless schmuck that was trolling Jesus with quotes from scripture and temptations of easy street until Jesus told him to fuck off.

How did Satan snag you? With the specious lie that you will receive eternal life if you "just believed" that Jesus was a triune god in the flesh who was tortured and crucified so that you can sin for the rest of your life without compunction or suffering any consequences because Jesus already paid the price? Yay Jesus!?

What a maroon! You should have just told him to fuck off.

You're like a dumbing down super hero, you can take any story of the bible and dumb it down so far that nobody even recognizes it anymore. What church do you associate with that does this?

Thank you very much! I will now take a bow!



What Church do I associate with? lol, are you serious? Are you looking to join a church? Do you want someone to convince you that you are a worthless piece of shit so that you can claim to be saved by Jesus and live out the rest of your days in oblivion saying and doing stupid things?


How much money do you have on you?

 

[Taz]

Even Jesus had to accept Satan as god of this world when he tempted him by saying, “I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world if you bow down and worship me” Matthew 4:8-9. He knew that he could do this because while God created earth and it is his, he is not the god of this world and thus there is a conflict of interest between God and Satan.

lol...Jesus wasn't talking to any "god of this world."

That story is just about some guy in robes trying to talk Jesus out of doing what he knew was right by saying something like,

" Whats wrong with you Jeez? Why are you so upset about things? The romans aren't so bad. They brought us law and order. You are such a nice guy, smart, good looking, talented. Everyone likes you. You make beautiful furniture! Why rock the boat? Why be such a party pooper? Take a good look around. Anything you want can be yours. You could make tons of money, live on easy street, and have the whole world at your feet if you would just take my advice, get with the program, and quit all that crazy talk about good and evil and right and wrong....

This is the religious forum. God's Word is the objective truth and he gives us objective judgment. Jesus was tempted, but he sent Satan away. He didn't succumb to his tempting temptations. Lesser men would not have been able to pass up the offer if they were thirsty and hungry. The key is Jesus recognized Satan's power even though his power was greater. He acknowledged Satan's power and was able to avoid his wicked temptations.

I would not trust the Romans during that time. A few helped, but most were against Christianity.

Sure Jesus was tempted and he sent Satan away.. but what do you think Satan was? Some disembodied entity whispering in his head to jump off the roof of the temple or just some jerk challenging his claim of being the Son of God?

The point being what you think of as "the god of this world" was not some voice in his head from a powerful preternatural malevolent invisible entity that eats peoples souls.... very scary. lol...

Satan , the great and powerful, "god of this world", was just some nameless schmuck that was trolling Jesus with quotes from scripture and temptations of easy street until Jesus told him to fuck off.

How did Satan snag you? With the specious lie that you will receive eternal life if you "just believed" that Jesus was a triune god in the flesh who was tortured and crucified so that you can sin for the rest of your life without compunction or suffering any consequences because Jesus already paid the price? Yay Jesus!?

What a maroon! You should have just told him to fuck off.

You're like a dumbing down super hero, you can take any story of the bible and dumb it down so far that nobody even recognizes it anymore. What church do you associate with that does this?

Thank you very much! I will now take a bow!



What Church do I associate with? lol, are you serious? Are you looking to join a church? Do you want someone to convince you that you are a worthless piece of shit so that you can claim to be saved by Jesus and live out the rest of your days in oblivion saying and doing stupid things?


How much money do you have on you?

Just wondering where you got your dumbing down ideas, because we all know that you're too stupid to have come up with it yourself.

 

[james bond]

>>there is no such thing as satan.n<<

You posting this sentence is evidence that there is. Satan is a deceiver.

You posting this sentence is evidence that there isn't a Satan.
See that was easy!

Your logic makes no sense at all, so will avoid the other posts ha ha.

>>You posting this sentence is evidence that there isn't a Satan.<<

My logic states that you denying Satan by posting the above shows that you have been deceived and deny Satan's existence, when he has already influenced your life.

Satan has only influenced YOUR life.

Again, your logic is flawed. How can Satan influence my life if he doesn't exist? Prior to this, you were claiming he doesn't exist.

Besides, I already said Jesus influences my life.

My logic is I recognize Jesus' existence and as the light. Because the light exists, the dark or absence of light exists. Because Jesus exists, good exists. I believe in good. I believe in Jesus. I believe in light. Because good exists, the absence of good exists which is bad. Bad exists, so Satan exists. The Antichrist is the absence of good.

You state Satan has influenced my life which is a wrong statement. I'm the one who believes in good. Thus, Satan has influenced your life and you are wrong.

 

[Syriusly]

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I'm not advocating teaching Christianity, but creation science. Real science.

You are advocating teaching the tenets of an obscure Christian cult as if it is science.

 

[james bond]

Dr. Henry Morris, states, "One question remains. Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind? . . . A possible answer to this mystery could be that Satan, the father of lies, has not only deceived the whole world and the angelic hosts who followed him--he has even deceived himself! The only way he could really know about creation (just as the only way we can know about creation) was for God to tell him! . . . . He refused to believe and accept the Word of God concerning his own creation and place in God's economy . . . He therefore deceived himself into supposing that all things, including himself and including God, had been evolved by natural processes out of the primordial stuff of the universe. . . ." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974, pp 74-75)."

He is correct in stating that we know about creation through the Bible or God's Word. Evolution came afterward as we see during the times of Paul, the Epicureans and Stoics.

http://www.huecotanks.com/debunk/devil.htm

"The Theory of Biological Evolution is most often associated with Charles Darwin, because it was Charles Darwin that proposed the mechanism of natural selection and accompanied that proposition with a large volume of empirical data providing evidence for biological evolution.

Darwin was not, however, the first person to propose an evolutionary explanation for the diversity of life on earth. In fact, evolutionary concepts about life date far back into history and arose in many different cultures. The Greeks developed a concept of evolution over 2,300 years ago that was basically equivalent to that of Charles Darwin's, but the early Christians opposed the idea and destroyed all of the works that promoted it or any other naturalistic explanations for earthly phenomena."

Understanding Evolution: History, Theory, Evidence, and Implictions

ETA: Both of my sources are atheist, so they could be lying. Still, the first one brings up an interesting question. We find science backs up the Bible, but science doesn't back up evolution. Thus, the first one is the truth and not the myth.

You do know that people believed in gods before the bible was written don't you?

The god in the bible is nothing but an amalgamation of all the gods that came before

Except that you are ignorant of God's revelation that came before the Bible. You touched upon it, but used it incorrectly.

God revealed to humans the general and special revelation. First, we see all of his creation -- the limitless sky, the earth, the plants and creatures on earth on how they work. Because these things exist, then God must exist as he's the one who created them. This is how humans came to understand God and his creation before the Bible -- general revelation. Thus, your argument shows that creation came first. Afterward, there was special revelation and this is how the Bible was written.

A less ignorant person would fall down on their knees and say my God this is the truth. How could I have been so blind? I will have faith and believe in God's creation.

 

[Syriusly]

God did create space/time

Prove it.

The Big Bang was the beginning of space and time

At least, that is what science tells us.

So now God is the big bang.

God caused the Big Bang.

The space/time dimension we live in now is but one form of existence. Science tells us there are many others we have no way to comprehend.

Or maybe leprechauns.

Or maybe the Norse got it right.
The Origin of the Cosmos

Before there was soil, or sky, or any green thing, there was only the gaping abyss of Ginnungagap. This chaos of perfect silence and darkness lay between the homeland of elemental fire, Muspelheim, and the homeland of elemental ice, Niflheim.

Frost from Niflheim and billowing flames from Muspelheim crept toward each other until they met in Ginnungagap. Amid the hissing and sputtering, the fire melted the ice, and the drops formed themselves into Ymir (“Screamer”[1]), the first of the godlike but destructive giants. Ymir was a hermaphrodite and could reproduce asexually; when he slept, more giants leapt forth from his legs and from the sweat of his armpits.

As the frost continued to melt, a cow, Audhumla (“Abundance of Humming”[2]), emerged from it. She nourished Ymir with her milk, and she, in turn, was nourished by salt-licks in the ice. Her licks slowly uncovered Buri (“Progenitor”[3]), the first of the Aesir tribe of gods. Buri had a son named Bor (“Son”[4]), who married Bestla (perhaps “Wife”[5]), the daughter of the giant Bolthorn (“Baleful Thorn”[6]). The half-god, half-giant children of Bor and Bestla were Odin, who became the chief of the Aesir gods, and his two brothers, Vili and Ve.

 

[Syriusly]

The Bible doesn't like competition clearly.

Nothing more nutty about her than any of our 'Creation Scientists'.....lol

Not competition, but one truth. .

Religious communities around the world disagree with you. Not just scientists- but even the Catholic Church disagrees with you.

Your 'one truth' is nothing but the opinion of a small group of self selected quacks who believe that their interpretation of the big book of fairy tales is correct- and everyone else's- including that of science is wrong.

You act like that is news. Christians and Catholics have been split on doctrine since ancient times. Look up Council of Nicaea vs Council of Trent or Justification at Trent..

I do find it fascinating how your cult thinks of yourself as Christians and that Catholics are not Christians.

Yet, you won't take the time to understand the difference. You can't get past having faith and John 3:16. Both have that.

Oh I am very much clear on the differences between your cult and the Catholic Church.

I just always find it amusing when self professed Christians decide that those other guys over there are not 'real' Christians...........which is why we have hundreds of different Christian cults.