Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[DonGlock26]

I'm not your assistant. Gotta make your own points all by yourself.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Kruska]

Read the OP:

What? some book by French (nothing against French, they are just .......) authors, - is your proof?

Hey I got a book present once, written by some Swiss author - who states that the Pyramids were built by aliens.
They even make endless docu-series on TV. - must be true then right?

It's speculation because it is not testable.

No - it's a hypothesis based on "proven" Scientific evidence, just like the (CMB) lends support to the big bang theory.
Whereby I believe the latter to be an entertaining TV series.

The expansion of the Universe is proven. The cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is proven. DNA is proven.

Yes thanks to SCIENCE - so??

 

[DonGlock26]

What? some book by French (nothing against French, they are just .......) authors, - is your proof?

Hey I got a book present once, written by some Swiss author - who states that the Pyramids were built by aliens.
They even make endless docu-series on TV. - must be true then right?

No - it's a hypothesis based on "proven" Scientific evidence, just like the (CMB) lends support to the big bang theory.
Whereby I believe the latter to be an entertaining TV series.

Yes thanks to SCIENCE - so??

I quoted my statement from the OP. Apparently you chose to ignore it.

Nope.

So, read my OP statement.

 

[Kruska]

Ever heard of a guy named Edwin Hubble?

Yep - he shot himself into space - so that he can observe more.

The multiverse. Now that's speculation on meth.

Ah... so YOU are on meth!!

The multiverse theory is also being used by those who follow the belief, of an external control in conjunction with a theistic concept of God. Gotcha.!!

 

[Kruska]

I quoted my statement from the OP. Apparently you chose to ignore it.

Nope.

So, read my OP statement.

I did - do you read others posts and try to understand them? or you just interested to spread your "baseless" theory?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The multiverse. Now that's speculation on meth.

No, it emerges from the physics, all on its own. Now THAT one may be untestable, however. Unless we come up with a way for the universes to exchange information.

And please learn what the word, "speculation" means. Speculation is to say something is true or almost certainly true, for example. Or floating an idea for which there is zero evidence (like magical gods). THAT is speculation.

It's not "speculation" to say something is possible, because it emerges from the math. Theoretical evidence is better than no evidence.

So, saying a multiverse is possible is not speculation.

It's also a super cool topic.

 

[Hafar1014]

Statements beginning with "if" (if-then statements) are called conditional statements or logical implications. They are both logical and hypothetical: they analyze hypothetical situations ("if P") to make a logical claim about a necessary result ("then Q"). They represent "if-then" reasoning where a condition is set.

Key Aspects of "If" Statements:

• Structure: They consist of two parts: the hypothesis ("if" part/antecedent) and the conclusion ("then" part/consequent).
• Logical Function: In logic, they are used to show that if one statement is true, another must be true.
• Hypothetical Thought: They help analyze possible, uncertain, or imaginary scenarios, such as "If I study, I will pass".
• Validity: A conditional statement is only false when the hypothesis is true but the conclusion is false.

They are not limited to hypothetical scenarios; they are used in formal logic, science, and everyday conditional reasoning.

Its not evidence in any way

 

[ShahdagMountains]

None of us know.

With our puny little brains.

 

[ding]

Its not evidence in any way

If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

What do you think was before it? Or was there a “before”?

 

[Mr Natural]

Maybe it’s had many beginnings and endings.

 

[ding]

What do you think was before it? Or was there a “before”?

The "mind" of God which is the source of all realities.

 

[ding]

Maybe it’s had many beginnings and endings.

Not this universe.

 

[DonGlock26]

Yep - he shot himself into space - so that he can observe more.

Ah... so YOU are on meth!!

The multiverse theory is also being used by those who follow the belief, of an external control in conjunction with a theistic concept of God. Gotcha.!!

???

Hubble's law is considered the first observational basis for the expansion of the universe, and is one of the pieces of evidence most often cited in support of the Big Bang model.

Hubble's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DonGlock26]

I did - do you read others posts and try to understand them? or you just interested to spread your "baseless" theory?

Your poor level of writing makes it difficult to make out what you are trying to say.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Your poor level of writing makes it difficult to make out what you are trying to say.

You’ve noticed that too?

 

[DonGlock26]

No, it emerges from the physics, all on its own. Now THAT one may be untestable, however. Unless we come up with a way for the universes to exchange information.

And please learn what the word, "speculation" means. Speculation is to say something is true or almost certainly true, for example. Or floating an idea for which there is zero evidence (like magical gods). THAT is speculation.

It's not "speculation" to say something is possible, because it emerges from the math. Theoretical evidence is better than no evidence.

So, saying a multiverse is possible is not speculation.

It's also a super cool topic.

What physics does the multiverse emerge from?

spec·u·la·tion
/ˌspekyəˈlāSHən/
noun
noun: speculation; plural noun: speculations
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

Google Dictionary

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What physics does the multiverse emerge from?

Uh, the only physics we have.

 

[DonGlock26]

You’ve noticed that too?

It's kind of hard to miss.

 

[ding]

Uh, the only physics we have.

I would expect an infinite number of universes. Reality is stranger than fiction.