Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[SUPERMAN1929]

anthropologist for human evolution or paleontologist for fossils.

 

[sealybobo]

Here's my theory. God created different kinds which branched out to all the species we have today. I believe in limited designed evolution. I don't believe the complex designs of life could have come from nothing and I also don't believe people came from chimps. I'm not a scientist but every organ on our body is so complex that it can't be partially formed through random mutations. It would just be a useless lump that would just disappear the next generation. I think evolution took place but not the single starting point of an organism from water. Multiple points of similar like animals and people.

That's nice, dear. Your "beliefs" are boilerplate that are scripted from any of the wacky creation ministries.

Ok. You accept your theory as fact. That's the difference between me and you. The day you show me a real species mutation or the information for new organs be created randomly I will believe in your theory. Until that day I'll stick with the unknown.

You're making the same mistake as others hostile to evolution: incorrectly perceiving the earth as immutable and static – that life is currently on the planet, that we exist now at all, is proof of evolution, where without evolution life on earth would have been extinguished billions of years ago.

Why? Why didn't single cell organisms just stay single cell and populate the planet with just single cell life?

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Here's my theory. God created different kinds which branched out to all the species we have today. I believe in limited designed evolution. I don't believe the complex designs of life could have come from nothing and I also don't believe people came from chimps. I'm not a scientist but every organ on our body is so complex that it can't be partially formed through random mutations. It would just be a useless lump that would just disappear the next generation. I think evolution took place but not the single starting point of an organism from water. Multiple points of similar like animals and people.

That's nice, dear. Your "beliefs" are boilerplate that are scripted from any of the wacky creation ministries.

Ok. You accept your theory as fact. That's the difference between me and you. The day you show me a real species mutation or the information for new organs be created randomly I will believe in your theory. Until that day I'll stick with the unknown.

You're making the same mistake as others hostile to evolution: incorrectly perceiving the earth as immutable and static – that life is currently on the planet, that we exist now at all, is proof of evolution, where without evolution life on earth would have been extinguished billions of years ago.

Why? Why didn't single cell organisms just stay single cell and populate the planet with just single cell life?

That's what I don't get too. They are better survivalists than us.

 

[cnm]

It's literally just 2 different assumptions.

No, it's your assumption compared to a scientific theory supported by evidence.

 

[sealybobo]

Here's my theory. God created different kinds which branched out to all the species we have today. I believe in limited designed evolution. I don't believe the complex designs of life could have come from nothing and I also don't believe people came from chimps. I'm not a scientist but every organ on our body is so complex that it can't be partially formed through random mutations. It would just be a useless lump that would just disappear the next generation. I think evolution took place but not the single starting point of an organism from water. Multiple points of similar like animals and people.

So god did it. That's your answer? No scientist or athiest can accept your answer you know that right?

I know. I'm just sick of people pretending evolution is fact whenever things haven't been observed that would be necessary for it to be considered fact. I have no problem with the belief of evolution. It's when people explain it like they witnessed it. Giving an example of a mutation chimps turning into people is not a valid example.

The observations you claim have not been observed have been observed. Your pointless chimps and people comparisons define your understanding of hominid evolution as nonexistent.

It's literally just 2 different assumptions. You guys are atheist so you immediately assume that evolution occurred. If I was atheist I would believe in evolution because there is no other option, not because it has all this concrete evidence. I choose to believe something exists because atheism seems dark to me and pointless. I think a spiritual side is a healthy part of humans and I really don't see what there is to lose if I die and then there is nothing else which atheists believe. Either way both of us lived and died. Just as pointless. You didn't accomplish anything by being right about what happened on the earth.

I'm going to go with the conclusions made after careful thought using logic reason and the scientific method not settle for god did it.

So basically you believe because you want to believe. My mind doesnt operate that way. I dont believe because its better to be safe than sorry. That's how theists get ya. Scare you with hell.

Your answer must be god is absurd and I think you realize it when you try to explain it to us. But at least you are honest. You like your theory better than ours even though you have no scientific evidence to support it.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Both appear irrational to me in a way. It's not really a better safe than sorry view but I really do believe something else exists. I look to the future much more than to the past anyways. Very boring topic to me.

 

[sealybobo]

Both appear irrational to me in a way. It's not really a better safe than sorry view but I really do believe something else exists. I look to the future much more than to the past anyways. Very boring topic to me.

I felt it to be a very satisfying and liberating feeling to finally realize there probably is no god that made the universe or the infinite amount of cosmos beyond our tiny yet enormous little universe. And when you realize it would take us 70,000 years at top speed to reach the nearest star and there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. Anyways, the god hypothesis is what our ancestors believed. We are evolving mentally where in 2000 more years we will all be athiests and spiritualists. No christians Muslims or Jews.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

 

[eots]

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
by Raymond Sutera
Copyright © 2001

[posted: August 10, 2001]

This article originally appeared in Reports of the National Center for Science Education,
a publication of The National Center for Science Education.

Thewissen and others (1994) published this reconstruction of the skeleton ofAmbulocetans natans (redrawn for RNCSE by Janet Dreyer).

​

ow do you convince a creationist that a fossil is a transitional fossil? Give up? It is a trick question. You cannot do it. There is no convincing someone who has his mind made up already. But sometimes, it is even worse. Sometimes, when you point out a fossil that falls into the middle of a gap and is a superb morphological and chronological intermediate, you are met with the response: "Well, now you have two gaps where you only had one before! You are losing ground!"

 

[cnm]

Wow. A scientist being convinced by more evidence his initial idea is incorrect. I guess that's the sort of thing seen everyday.

 

[eots]

Both appear irrational to me in a way. It's not really a better safe than sorry view but I really do believe something else exists. I look to the future much more than to the past anyways. Very boring topic to me.

I felt it to be a very satisfying and liberating feeling to finally realize there probably is no god that made the universe or the infinite amount of cosmos beyond our tiny yet enormous little universe. And when you realize it would take us 70,000 years at top speed to reach the nearest star and there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. Anyways, the god hypothesis is what our ancestors believed. We are evolving mentally where in 2000 more years we will all be athiests and spiritualists. No christians Muslims or Jews.

not likely

It's literally just 2 different assumptions.

No, it's your assumption compared to a scientific theory supported by evidence.

Wow. A scientist being convinced by more evidence his initial idea is incorrect. I guess that's the sort of thing seen everyday.

he confessed the skeleton was missing the tail ..he just drew it with a whale tail ..it was also missing legs ,so he took the liberty of making them flipper like,,

 

[cnm]

Then realised he was wrong as more evidence came to light so dismissed his original idea.

Whoever thought of the idea of being guided by evidence? Crazy, eh? What a dweeb!

 

[Hollie]

Both appear irrational to me in a way. It's not really a better safe than sorry view but I really do believe something else exists. I look to the future much more than to the past anyways. Very boring topic to me.

I felt it to be a very satisfying and liberating feeling to finally realize there probably is no god that made the universe or the infinite amount of cosmos beyond our tiny yet enormous little universe. And when you realize it would take us 70,000 years at top speed to reach the nearest star and there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. Anyways, the god hypothesis is what our ancestors believed. We are evolving mentally where in 2000 more years we will all be athiests and spiritualists. No christians Muslims or Jews.

not likely

It's literally just 2 different assumptions.

No, it's your assumption compared to a scientific theory supported by evidence.

Wow. A scientist being convinced by more evidence his initial idea is incorrect. I guess that's the sort of thing seen everyday.

he confessed the skeleton was missing the tail ..he just drew it with a whale tail ..it was also missing legs ,so he took the liberty of making them flipper like,,

Umm, sorry. But Carl Werner is another fundie hack associated with the charlatans at Creation.com.

There's a reason why you gullible types are easy marks for loons who are pressing conspiracy theories.

 

[Hollie]

Here's my theory. God created different kinds which branched out to all the species we have today. I believe in limited designed evolution. I don't believe the complex designs of life could have come from nothing and I also don't believe people came from chimps. I'm not a scientist but every organ on our body is so complex that it can't be partially formed through random mutations. It would just be a useless lump that would just disappear the next generation. I think evolution took place but not the single starting point of an organism from water. Multiple points of similar like animals and people.

So god did it. That's your answer? No scientist or athiest can accept your answer you know that right?

I know. I'm just sick of people pretending evolution is fact whenever things haven't been observed that would be necessary for it to be considered fact. I have no problem with the belief of evolution. It's when people explain it like they witnessed it. Giving an example of a mutation chimps turning into people is not a valid example.

The observations you claim have not been observed have been observed. Your pointless chimps and people comparisons define your understanding of hominid evolution as nonexistent.

It's literally just 2 different assumptions. You guys are atheist so you immediately assume that evolution occurred. If I was atheist I would believe in evolution because there is no other option, not because it has all this concrete evidence. I choose to believe something exists because atheism seems dark to me and pointless. I think a spiritual side is a healthy part of humans and I really don't see what there is to lose if I die and then there is nothing else which atheists believe. Either way both of us lived and died. Just as pointless. You didn't accomplish anything by being right about what happened on the earth.

There's no assuming evolution has occurred and is still occurring. The evidence for the facts for evolution are not in dispute among science. The facts are denied primarily by the more excitable fundie Christians.

 

[sealybobo]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

I might watch it if I find time at some point.

 

[sealybobo]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

I might watch it if I find time at some point.

Its a must watch for anyone as curious and smart as you. Not blowing smoke up your butt. Just based on the threads I've seen you on I know you'll be glad you saw it.
I try to explain things I learned from it to my dad and he gets mad. Lol. He says "then science is stupid" when I try to explain to him why or how there may be no god. He gets very uncomfortable. Certainly not open minded. And its not like evolution disproves god but he has it in his mind god put us here and he can't believe we are related to chickens and trees.

 

[sealybobo]

Believers say the world is too perfect for there not to be a god but that's what Martians said 4 billion years ago.

The pharaoh's were martians and they mixed their DNA with monkeys. How? By fucking them of course.

 

[sealybobo]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

I might watch it if I find time at some point.

I tell christians who say you gotta read the bible they gotta watch the Cosmos. That's how good it is if you are open minded. Fuck what any christian says about Dawkins or Tyson. Insults from them are a comliment IMO.

 

[S.J.]

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

Whatever works for you. I know several people that hold that view.

You seem like you would really enjoy watching the Cosmos series 1&2. They dont prove there is no god but they show when and where the concept came from why we believe and how the reality is so much better than the stories passed on to us from the ancients.

I might watch it if I find time at some point.

Its a must watch for anyone as curious and smart as you. Not blowing smoke up your butt. Just based on the threads I've seen you on I know you'll be glad you saw it.
I try to explain things I learned from it to my dad and he gets mad. Lol. He says "then science is stupid" when I try to explain to him why or how there may be no god. He gets very uncomfortable. Certainly not open minded. And its not like evolution disproves god but he has it in his mind god put us here and he can't believe we are related to chickens and trees.

Gee, I wonder why.