Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

This is what Tertullian wrote about the subject of what gives life citing Jesus saying eat my flesh.

"He censures those who understood our Lord's words after the letter, as if they were to eat the carnal body. He expounds the spiritual thing which gives life as to be understood by the text: "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life." His word is the life-giving principle, therefore he called his flesh by the same appellation, so we are to "devour Him with the ear, ruminate on Him with the understanding, and digest Him by faith."

Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III

This shows that before 325ce, Christians had no sacrificial eating of the slaughtered mangod ceremonies and understood that the teaching of Jesus, words that he received from God like bread from heaven that became his flesh is just a new metaphor for a new Divine revelation, the Actual Body of Christ, that you desecrate every time you eat an imaginary mangod in a matzo.

What you do at mass is an abomination that causes desolation. Its just the truth. Deal with it.
 
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Mark your words. Until now I gave you grace....

lol. Grrrrrr! Grace my ass. You know that I am right. You are just a coward. A lily white cur. What you worship is the antichrist. What do you think you can do now that the cat is out of the bag?

Sprinkle me with holy water? Ask God to smite me for making fun of your maudlin beliefs? :hands:


What I have opened no one can shut.


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What if I were to tell you that I know more about you than you know about yourself?
I would put it in the same category as if you told me that I must bow down to the antichrist by worshipping and eating a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life every Sunday.

Bullshit.

And then I would tell you, FUCK OFF.

"No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

ITS THE LAW
 
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Even if I were to post references dating the books of the New Testament to the 1st century, would you believe it?

It may be too late for you now to make any difference, :crying: but you might want to include in your speculations, if you can think at all, is that the Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the prophecies of Jesus fulfilled; the brutal and total destruction of Judea, the temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands Jewish men women and children. Pssst! It was their first century version of the nuclear option.

God loved the Roman world so much that he became a man so they could kill him and eat him.

Yum!

Schnook.
 
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It may be too late for you now to make any difference, :crying: but you might want to include in your speculations, if you can think at all, is that the Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the prophecies of Jesus fulfilled; the brutal and total destruction of Judea, the temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands Jewish men women and children. Pssst! It was their first century version of the nuclear option.

God loved the Roman world so much that he became a man so they could kill him and eat him.

Yum!

Schnook.
retard
 
This is what Tertullian wrote about the subject of what gives life citing Jesus saying eat my flesh.

"He censures those who understood our Lord's words after the letter, as if they were to eat the carnal body. He expounds the spiritual thing which gives life as to be understood by the text: "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life." His word is the life-giving principle, therefore he called his flesh by the same appellation, so we are to "devour Him with the ear, ruminate on Him with the understanding, and digest Him by faith."

Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III

This shows that before 325ce, Christians had no sacrificial eating of the slaughtered mangod ceremonies and understood that the teaching of Jesus, words that he received from God like bread from heaven that became his flesh is just a new metaphor for a new Divine revelation, the Actual Body of Christ, that you desecrate every time you eat an imaginary mangod in a matzo.

What you do at mass is an abomination that causes desolation. Its just the truth. Deal with it.
Christians were celebrating the Eucharist in the 1st Century:

The earliest extant written account of a Christian eucharistia (Greek for 'thanksgiving') is that in the First Epistle to the Corinthians (around AD 55),[6] in which Paul the Apostle relates "eating the bread and drinking the cup of the Lord" in the celebration of a "Supper of the Lord" to the Last Supper of Jesus some 25 years earlier.[7] Paul considers that in celebrating the rite they were fulfilling a mandate to do so.[8] The Acts of the Apostles presents the early Christians as meeting for "the breaking of bread" as some sort of ceremony.[9]



lol. Grrrrrr! Grace my ass. You know that I am right. You are just a coward. A lily white cur. What you worship is the antichrist. What do you think you can do now that the cat is out of the bag?

Sprinkle me with holy water? Ask God to smite me for making fun of your maudlin beliefs? :hands:


What I have opened no one can shut.


:funnyface:

The "Anti-Christ" is when mankind abides and follows only things of the flesh (Physical Realm) - and stubbornly refuses to accept and understand that "materialism" is but just one aspect of creation - it can and should be enjoyed in moderation but should never be "idolized".

Idolizing the material world can eventually lead to greed and gluttony - which further manifests wrath, discord, hate, violence and so forth - and it can become The Abomination of Desolation.

Christ opens up a way of life that if followed, will overcome the Anti-Christ - and when this happens, no one can "shut it".

"Do onto others as you would like done to yourself"

"Love your neighbor as yourself"

"Turn the other cheek"

"Do not just greet and respect your loved ones - greet and respect your rivals as well."

"Do not persecute the less fortunate and when asked for help - help them"

"Do not judge or you too will be judged. By the same measure you judge others, you too will be judged. Focus on yourself first - once you are able to help someone else instead of judging them - help them."

"Teach others ways to live - 'If you give a man a fish, he will eat for one day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."


I've explained this plainly so a person does not even need a mustard seed of faith to understand it.

Now imagine how much stronger this becomes for the faithful - they not only overcome the Anti-Christ in the flesh - but in Spirit as well.


It may be too late for you now to make any difference, :crying: but you might want to include in your speculations, if you can think at all, is that the Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the prophecies of Jesus fulfilled; the brutal and total destruction of Judea, the temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands Jewish men women and children. Pssst! It was their first century version of the nuclear option.

Good points.
 
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Now imagine how much stronger this becomes for the faithful - they not only overcome the Anti-Christ in the flesh - but in Spirit as well.
You are deluded.

If you believe in and worship a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a Jewish man with all the supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally you believe in and worship the antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus that never existed but was conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world under the sign of the Mithran cross in 325ce.
 
Good points.
Right.

"God loved the Roman world so much that he became a man so they could kill him and eat him."
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"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations." "Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them" "Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you."

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"

A curse in a cup of wine. "When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad." Jeremiah 25:15

:wine:

"Hear, you who have ears to hear! Whoever is to be made prisoner (desmios), a prisoner (desmios) he shall be; whoever takes the sword to kill, by the sword he is bound to be killed"


So tell me then, with all your spirituality, how is it that you do not know the right course to take?
 
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It is also written by Paul,

"He who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."
Luke 19:

19 Jesus Gives His Body and His Blood.[g] Then he took bread, and after giving thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you. Do this in memory of me.” 20 And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be poured out for you.

Mark 14:

22 The Last Supper.[h] While they were eating he took bread, and after he had pronounced the blessing, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” 23 Then he took a cup, and after offering thanks he gave it to them. After they all drank from it, 24 he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many. 25 Amen, I say to you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I shall drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”


It's never been that complicated for me, I have had faith since I was a child - so I believed, never questioned it. If Jesus says "This is my body, this is my blood....do this in memory of me" That was and still is good enough. It's through faith that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.

Matthew 18:

Become Like Little Children.[b] 1 At that time, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 Then Jesus beckoned a child to come to him, placed it in their midst, 3 and said, “Amen, I say to you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself and becomes like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.


And never forget:

Matthew 19:

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
You are deluded.

If you believe in and worship a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a Jewish man with all the supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally you believe in and worship the antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus that never existed but was conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world under the sign of the Mithran cross in 325ce.

You're wrong. But I'm here to help, not judge.

As we already discussed, Mithras dates as far back as 1000 BC in Persia. But it wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd Century that "Mythric Rites" began to be practiced in Rome - BUT similar "rites" were already practiced by Christians since the first century.

Christians despised rival cults - especially Mythras for that reason - there is zero chance they would have taken anything from what Christians deemed, "Another pagan religion" Use your brain - common sense - Mythric Cults borrowed (and bastardized) Christian Rituals.

Sol Invictus was the primary deity of Rome during the 3rd and 4th centuries and yes, his festival was on December 25th. When Christianity became the official religion - Jesus Christ WON. He took December 25th as his feast day because it was the BIRTH of Christ within Rome.

Christians (TO THIS DAY) Celebrate EASTER as the most important holiday within Christianity because it is when Jesus (In the flesh) became the Christ - through the passion and Resurrection.

"God loved the Roman world so much that he became a man so they could kill him and eat him."

A curse in a cup of wine. "When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad." Jeremiah 25:15

:wine:

"Hear, you who have ears to hear! Whoever is to be made (desmios) prisoner, a prisoner (desmios) he shall be; whoever takes the sword to kill, by the sword he is bound to be killed"


So tell me then, with all your spirituality, how is it that you do not know the right course to take?

I'll give you an assignment -

Read the Parable of The Tenants: Matthew 21:33

Then read The Parable of the Lost Son: Luke 15:11

The answers you seek are written within those two parables.
 
As we already discussed, Mithras dates as far back as 1000 BC in Persia. But it wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd Century that "Mythric Rites" began to be practiced in Rome -
You are wrong.

"the Roman Mithras was linked to a new and distinctive imagery, and the level of continuity between Persian and Greco-Roman practice remains debatable.[a] The mysteries were popular among the Imperial Roman army from the 1st to the 4th century CE.[2]"


I'll give you an assignment.

Examine your conscience and then be honest with yourself and others. This could be the most difficult task you will ever be given on this bizarre planet teeming with very strange creatures.
 
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It doesn't. I have read the Bible. I know it's a shock to hear a Catholic say that, but it's a true story. I've actually read or heard it over and over because the Catholic Church gives us scripture every day, not just on Sunday.

Anyhow, it does not say in the Bible you can't baptize infants and it is inferred that infants were indeed baptized. In Acts, it says "whole households" were baptized. Most households had infants and/or children.

Jesus said to let the children come to Him.

etc
Baptism has always occurred if and when a person consciously accepts Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior. One must (at the very least) be old enough grasp and understand such an important concept. I've never met an infant who openly confessed His trust and faith in Jesus.
 
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You are wrong.

"the Roman Mithras was linked to a new and distinctive imagery, and the level of continuity between Persian and Greco-Roman practice remains debatable.[a] The mysteries were popular among the Imperial Roman army from the 1st to the 4th century CE.[2]"


I'll give you an assignment.

Examine your conscience and then be honest with yourself and others. This could be the most difficult task you will ever be given on this bizarre planet teeming with very strange creatures.
Yeah - I don't lie - especially when it comes to my understanding of scripture. I post what has been gifted to me. There are times that my passion and zeal may affect it - but that's about it.

And I'm truly not wrong about Mythras - I'm well aware of the cult and the religion - The entire basis of the Roman Mythras Cult is the symbolizing of a new zodiac age - has nothing to do with Christianity.
 
The entire basis of the Roman Mythras Cult is the symbolizing of a new zodiac age - has nothing to do with Christianity.
I agree but then why does YOUR Church perpetuate the beliefs and practices of Mithraism?

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of BREAD MARKED WITH THE MITHRAN CROSS OF LIGHT.
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This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically.
It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only


Again, the question. Why does YOUR Church perpetuate the beliefs and practices of Mithraism?

Take your time.

You might realize this but you are in a do or die, permanently, situation. Choose life and live.
 
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I agree but then why does YOUR Church perpetuate the beliefs and practices of Mithraism?

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of BREAD MARKED WITH THE MITHRAN CROSS OF LIGHT.
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This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically.
It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only


Again, the question. Why does YOUR Church perpetuate the beliefs and practices of Mithraism?

Take your time.

You might realize this but you are in a do or die, permanently, situation. Choose life and live.
I'm going to try to keep this short and sweet.

Apparently you did not read my post - which I did not copy and paste from a conspiracy theory site -YOU SHOULD DO BETTER.


I'll illustrate it for you so you might get a visual understanding.

Put yourself in Pagan Rome - 300 AD....are you ready.....we had guys like this screaming "ARE YOU ENTERTAINED!!!" in the middle of the Roman Colleseum....

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Are you ready for the secret? What's the worst thing you could do to that guy? Or the people from that age?

Their main "God" was Sol Invictus. . His festival was December 25th.

Christians came in and not only made the religion the official religion of Rome but took HIS GOD'S FESTIVAL DAY and said, "Sorry Atari, there's a new boss in town." DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Taking December 25th from the pagans and giving it to Jesus Christ officially told all of Rome that Jesus Christ symbolized a new age of Christianity within Rome.

For Christians, it symbolized the BIRTH OF CHRIST'S KINGDOM - defeating the same Empire that hanged him from a tree 300 years earlier.

CHECKMATE.
 
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I'm going to try to keep this short and sweet.

Apparently you did not read my post - which I did not copy and paste from a conspiracy theory site -YOU SHOULD DO BETTER.


I'll illustrate it for you so you might get a visual understanding.

Put yourself in Pagan Rome - 300 AD....are you ready.....we had guys like this screaming "ARE YOU ENTERTAINED!!!" in the middle of the Roman Colleseum....

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Are you ready for the secret? What's the worst thing you could do to that guy? Or the people from that age?

Their main "God" was Sol Invictus. . His festival was December 25th.

Christians came in and not only made the religion the official religion of Rome but took HIS GOD'S FESTIVAL DAY and said, "Sorry Atari, there's a new boss in town." DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Taking December 25th from the pagans and giving it to Jesus Christ officially told all of Rome that Jesus Christ was the new "GOD" of Rome.

For Christians, it symbolized the BIRTH OF CHRIST'S KINGDOM - defeating the same Empire that had hung him from a tree 300 years earlier.

CHECKMATE.
Partly correct. Emperor Constantine (who was a pagan and sun worshipper) combined portions of the Christian religion with portions of his pagan religion and created a spurious form of Christianity. True that 12/25 is a high holy day within a sun worshippers catalog but Christians didn't steal it. "It" actually drew Christians away from the true, Christian religion. Jesus may have been conceived in late December but his actual birth was likely late September (after the harvest but before full-on winter set in).
 
Taking December 25th from the pagans and giving it to Jesus Christ officially told all of Rome that Jesus Christ was the new "GOD" of Rome.

LOL..... Jesus was an uncultured froward Jewish working man. There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

Thats a fact jack...ass.

For Christians, it symbolized the BIRTH OF CHRIST'S KINGDOM - defeating the same Empire that had hung him from a tree 300 years earlier.
Copra sanctum! In case you didn't notice the Roman Empire is alive and well, still deceiving the nations with your edible antichrist. Caesar just conferred his power and authority to the Papacy.

CHECKMATE.

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Partly correct. Emperor Constantine (who was a pagan and sun worshipper) combined portions of the Christian religion with portions of his pagan religion and created a spurious form of Christianity. True that 12/25 is a high holy day within a sun worshippers catalog but Christians didn't steal it. "It" actually drew Christians away from the true, Christian religion. Jesus may have been conceived in late December but his actual birth was likely late September (after the harvest but before full-on winter set in).

Most Christians - even then - fully understood that Jesus Christ likely wasn't "physically born" on December 25th. The idea is that Christianity WON - hence taking over the date of the "previous God" - establishing "The Birth of Christ" within Rome.

It was 100% intentional and done out of reverence and respect - it would have been the HIGHEST HONOR imaginable at the time - without question.


LOL..... Jesus was an uncultured froward Jewish working man. There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.



Copra sanctum! In case you didn't notice the Roman Empire is alive and well, still deceiving the nations with your edible antichrist. Caesar just conferred his power and authority to the Papacy.



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Simon Magus - is that you again? Jealousy won't get you anywhere.
 

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