When the Collapse Comes...

[Wildman]

Liberals will call on the goobermint to take over more of our lives if the entire system falls apart.

Martial Law would be declared and liberals would be happy.

they might be happy for a short while, but they will be the first to succumb to the reality of the fact they will be first to be eliminated.

 

[Wildman]

So now you're shooting at people who are hungry....

A couple of well placed matches and the bullets you've stockpiled become a liability.

A couple of well placed matches and the bullets you've stockpiled become a liability.

are you ******* stupid or just out of your ******* mind ? please do NOT reply, as you will only confirm my suspicions.
any one coming close with a match will be found nearby by the buzzards circling overhead !

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

 

[Wildman]

Again, a woman comes to your compound with a 10 year old daughter and asks for food and shelter.

Your answer is what?

I come to your house tomorrow and I ask you for $25,000. I really, really, really need that money. Let's say a loanshark is going to kill me for not paying my debt.

Does my need for the money put an obligation on you to provide it, especially so if it imposes terrible hardship on you?

Why is it you can't answer a question...ever?

Here, I'll show you how it's done.

You need the money to repay a loan shark. You got yourself into the mess....you need to get yourself out of the mess. It was just you and you alone.

Nobody individually will be responsible for the collapse of the society

So.........getting back to the question you're going to dance around again (I already know it)


The collapse comes and the woman and her 10 year old girl...seeking food and shelter...what was your answer?


Try to summon some testosterone and answer the question.

i did ! scroll on down to post 200 or 201.

 

[asterism]

I think most preppers are cheering for it so their life's work (and sadly in some case's life's worth) is not for naught. How's that old Garth Brooks song go...

"They all laughed at Noah for building his great ark...but for 40 days and 40 nights he was looking pretty smart."

The question is that when it happens (all societies eventually crumble from being the dominant culture in the world), do you mow down a woman and her baby with your 10,000 rounds of ammo you've stockpiled for just such an occassion and feed them to your pigs and cattle or do you welcome them into your house?

I think you're off your rocker and have been incredibly sheltered.

Okay, play out the scenario.

The collapse comes and a woman and her 10 year old daughter come onto your property asking for food and shelter.

What do you do?

Take them in. They can contribute to our survival.

My welcome mat would be out because that is where we're different and exceptional. We avoided tribalism (to a great extent) in this nation when compared to other societies. We've had a civil war but, despite what many on the right think, it's well in the past. We've had growing pains but are one United States of America--also despite what many on the left here think.

It's very easy to say that when you've never been in an actual survival situation. Your welcome mat might be out, but it's unlikely you'd be able to help many people. If you're not prepared, there's nothing to give. If you're not vigilant, others will over-run you post haste.

I'm not expecting to help many people to be honest. I believe in the systems we have in place and I think most people do. I've looked at the plans, the annexes, and the National Response Framework. I've been "programmed"/"trained" to rely on myself for 72 hours. It should take that long to restore order; max. As stated, I have a little extra in my go-bag/kit to sustain for a longer period of time. A very limited longer period grant you.

If it comes down to 6 weeks of having to live on my own skills, I'd be pretty much screwed.

You're off your rocker about saying people are actually hoping for a collapse scenario. More (many more) are simply being prudent. Most aren't even preparing at all and well we see how that worked out in New Orleans.

 

[asterism]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

I fully cosign everything you said except for the 4th.

In some of the plans I've seen (and you saw this during the riots in South Central LA and New Orleans during Katrina), police are often summoned to protect the first responders during times of crisis.

There won't be a lot of arrests going on unless there is a real threat to security...not looting or criminal trespassing.

So I don't think there will be a big purge of the preppers. Unless they start mowing down people Which, sadly, is what a lot of them seem to have in mind thinking that there is only so much pie to go around and they will get seconds before you get a piece.

Good post.

Nobody here is saying that. It's something you've created in your head.

 

[HandyAndy]

To everyone who doesn't think a financial collapse will happen your all in denial its going to happen our government is to corrupt and the world is to crazy and the debt is to out of control better hold on tight its going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[Geaux4it]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

I fully cosign everything you said except for the 4th.

In some of the plans I've seen (and you saw this during the riots in South Central LA and New Orleans during Katrina), police are often summoned to protect the first responders during times of crisis.

There won't be a lot of arrests going on unless there is a real threat to security...not looting or criminal trespassing.

So I don't think there will be a big purge of the preppers. Unless they start mowing down people Which, sadly, is what a lot of them seem to have in mind thinking that there is only so much pie to go around and they will get seconds before you get a piece.

Good post.

It is quite clear you don't have a frigging clue what you're talking about. Preppers are not of an offensive nature. Preppers are from a 'defensive' mentality. That's why they prep.. The ammo and guns are to PROTECT/DEFEND our families and properties. To think that peppers will be out on 'offensive' missions post SHTF is ignorant and patently misleading

-Geaux

 

[zeke]

are you ******* stupid or just out of your ******* mind ? please do NOT reply, as you will only confirm my suspicions.
any one coming close with a match will be found nearby by the buzzards circling overhead !

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

 

[Geaux4it]

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

Word has it the mother survived a botched abortion and the now 10 year old was able to see her first birthday. Very lucky to be alive.

-Geaux

 

[zeke]

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

Word has it the mother survived a botched abortion and the now 10 year old was able to see her first birthday. Very lucky to be alive.

-Geaux

You are a ******* asshole go. You a rapist also? You out looking for a 10 year old to rape?
Is that what you preppers are all about? Must be seeing as how no one is condemning what **** head had to say about "I'll keep the little girl for personal pleasure". WM.

 

[WinterBorn]

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

How the **** do you blame me for it?? Like minded? So if we have anything in common, suddenly I am lumped in with them??

I am not here to be the PC police to try and reign in every asshole who says shit. You want the job? Knock yourself out.

 

[WinterBorn]

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

Word has it the mother survived a botched abortion and the now 10 year old was able to see her first birthday. Very lucky to be alive.

-Geaux

You are a ******* asshole go. You a rapist also? You out looking for a 10 year old to rape?
Is that what you preppers are all about? Must be seeing as how no one is condemning what **** head had to say about "I'll keep the little girl for personal pleasure". WM.

No. I am not responsible for what I do not say. The fact that I do not take someone to task for their words does not mean I approve or agree.

This board has hundreds of threads with tens of thousands of posts. What I post is what I say. If I thank someone for posting something, you can assume I either agree or thought it was funny.

But no, I am not responsible for the words out of everyone else's mouth and will not waste my time trying to correct or yell at everyone.

 

[Wildman]

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

i really do pity people like you, i do and will get plenty of sleep, have you ever heard of "Attack Dogs" ?

strangling a mother and her 10 old girl, no problem...., if that NEED ever comes to fruition..., but, i'll keep the little girl for personal pleasures, something i am certain you liberdeviants would most heartily condone ....

thank you for identifying yourself as a ******* mindless lunatic.

BTW.., do you know where the word "lunatic" derived from ?

**** you wildman. You plan on or would strangle a girls mother so you could keep the 10 year old around to rape.

Winterborn, you see this ******* bullshit from a like minded asshole? All you "preppers" down with killing a girls mother so you all can rape a 10 year old?

**** ALL you people who keep your ******* mouths shut when an asshole like wildman starts posting.

And **** you wildman. **** you.

well lookie here a new liberliar, who invited you here ? what dead body did you steal your brain from and denying a vulture of a meal, and who connected it to your asshole

why are you invoking the "RAPE" word...., ahhh i know, that is what you liberscum enjoy doing to little girls, animals and even a snake if some other liberscum held it's head, NOT a "prepper" just a Conservative person who has lived thru hard times, something you welfare dependent liberscum have never experienced....., EVER !!

now run back to your liberhovel and whine to your like minded liberscum, so in closing and again...., with a red hot iron fence post.


so sorry there liberscum, i had you confused with another liberliar...., my apologies....., ....... and

 

[Seawytch]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

 

[WinterBorn]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

I did indeed. Please tell me what is wrong with making my family the priority for my efforts?

I accept the responsibility for my family. Why is that wrong in your eyes?

 

[candycorn]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

Well, you have to remember the formula...

Anonymity + A platform = idiot.

As for "me and mine" come first, I endorse that. What I have a problem with is the "Well, they had their chance to prepare for ______________"; tough shit if they don't have 6 months of supplies at their fingertips.

Nobody alive today remembers World War I much less when society really broke down during the Civil War. Few remember the hardships imposed by WWII. Yet these preppers think we all should know how to skin a buck with one hand while starting a fire with a stick using the other.

It's comical and I doubt those on this forum would turn away the woman and her daughter. The "it depends" is weak but I understand why they lean on it; it's easy to not take a position.

 

[WinterBorn]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

Well, you have to remember the formula...

Anonymity + A platform = idiot.

As for "me and mine" come first, I endorse that. What I have a problem with is the "Well, they had their chance to prepare for ______________"; tough shit if they don't have 6 months of supplies at their fingertips.

Nobody alive today remembers World War I much less when society really broke down during the Civil War. Few remember the hardships imposed by WWII. Yet these preppers think we all should know how to skin a buck with one hand while starting a fire with a stick using the other.

It's comical and I doubt those on this forum would turn away the woman and her daughter. The "it depends" is weak but I understand why they lean on it; it's easy to not take a position.

LOL! So you dislike my answer and instead of addressing the reality of it, you choose to ridicule it? lol In truth, what I do would depend on the situation. That is not weak and it is not refusing to take a position. I clearly stated that I would help them unless it meant risking my family. By way of comparison, every first responder is taught to help only when you can do so without endangering yourself. Every life guard is taught to rescue the swimmer only if you can do so without them drowning you. But I guess those people are heartless too?

Here is the basis for my answer. The question you posed was meant to show anyone who faced the truth of the matter is a bloodthirsty asshole. It failed.

Now, the chances of the situation coming to pass may be slim. I accept that and I am glad of it. However, the fact that I have some preparations towards events that are unlikely does not make me delusional. A fire in my home is unlikely too. But I still have fire extinguishers and smoke detectors in my home.

And if there is a breakdown of society, for whatever reason, there will be some grim realities for those who wish to survive. Just as I will shoot anyone breaking into myhome and threatening my family's safety, I will do whatever it takes to insure the survival of those I love. It may not be pretty, but it is accurate.

The idea that it will be some sort of picnic, and the preppers choose not to invite everyone is nonsense. It will gruesome. There will be dead and dying people all around. People will be forced to eat things that will turn our stomachs now. But when the choice is eating rats or starving, suddenly rat becomes a delicacy.


And comparing wars from 100 years ago to the devastation that can be wrought now is a waste of time. In 1914 (WWI), it would take years to destroy the US. Now it could be done in a matter of hours. In 1914, the destruction of oil processing facilities and fuel storage facilities would be an inconvenience, at the worst. The same scenario now would mean the starvation of hundreds of thousands of people.

Also, as I stated before, I have firearms because I like to shoot and hunt for recreation. The fact that I would use those tools of my hobbies to protect my home and family is not evil, but practical.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

Well, you have to remember the formula...

Anonymity + A platform = idiot.

As for "me and mine" come first, I endorse that. What I have a problem with is the "Well, they had their chance to prepare for ______________"; tough shit if they don't have 6 months of supplies at their fingertips.

Nobody alive today remembers World War I much less when society really broke down during the Civil War. Few remember the hardships imposed by WWII. Yet these preppers think we all should know how to skin a buck with one hand while starting a fire with a stick using the other.

It's comical and I doubt those on this forum would turn away the woman and her daughter. The "it depends" is weak but I understand why they lean on it; it's easy to not take a position.

You just took the same position.
You cant have it both ways,you endorse "me and mine" then you knock those who said the same thing.
It depends is hardly a weak excuse. There are many factors to consider in a scenario like this. Can she shoot straight,do laundry,cook,clean? Do you have enough food to even consider taking her in?
If I didnt have the food and I knew taking her in would likely result in the death of one of my family members? She's on her own. If I had plenty and she was a benefit to my survival she could stay.
So lets take your ramblings a little further. Lets say I let the women and her kid stay and two months later a women shows up with two infants. She's obviously in need more than the first women. Do you kick out the first women and her kid to take care of the new arrivals? Where do you draw the line?
To me it's clear. If they in anyway cause potential harm to me and my family they cant stay.

 

[candycorn]

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

Well, you have to remember the formula...

Anonymity + A platform = idiot.

As for "me and mine" come first, I endorse that. What I have a problem with is the "Well, they had their chance to prepare for ______________"; tough shit if they don't have 6 months of supplies at their fingertips.

Nobody alive today remembers World War I much less when society really broke down during the Civil War. Few remember the hardships imposed by WWII. Yet these preppers think we all should know how to skin a buck with one hand while starting a fire with a stick using the other.

It's comical and I doubt those on this forum would turn away the woman and her daughter. The "it depends" is weak but I understand why they lean on it; it's easy to not take a position.

LOL! So you dislike my answer and instead of addressing the reality of it, you choose to ridicule it? lol In truth, what I do would depend on the situation. That is not weak and it is not refusing to take a position. I clearly stated that I would help them unless it meant risking my family. By way of comparison, every first responder is taught to help only when you can do so without endangering yourself. Every life guard is taught to rescue the swimmer only if you can do so without them drowning you. But I guess those people are heartless too?

Here is the basis for my answer. The question you posed was meant to show anyone who faced the truth of the matter is a bloodthirsty asshole. It failed.

Now, the chances of the situation coming to pass may be slim. I accept that and I am glad of it. However, the fact that I have some preparations towards events that are unlikely does not make me delusional. A fire in my home is unlikely too. But I still have fire extinguishers and smoke detectors in my home.

And if there is a breakdown of society, for whatever reason, there will be some grim realities for those who wish to survive. Just as I will shoot anyone breaking into myhome and threatening my family's safety, I will do whatever it takes to insure the survival of those I love. It may not be pretty, but it is accurate.

The idea that it will be some sort of picnic, and the preppers choose not to invite everyone is nonsense. It will gruesome. There will be dead and dying people all around. People will be forced to eat things that will turn our stomachs now. But when the choice is eating rats or starving, suddenly rat becomes a delicacy.


And comparing wars from 100 years ago to the devastation that can be wrought now is a waste of time. In 1914 (WWI), it would take years to destroy the US. Now it could be done in a matter of hours. In 1914, the destruction of oil processing facilities and fuel storage facilities would be an inconvenience, at the worst. The same scenario now would mean the starvation of hundreds of thousands of people.

Also, as I stated before, I have firearms because I like to shoot and hunt for recreation. The fact that I would use those tools of my hobbies to protect my home and family is not evil, but practical.

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

 

[pismoe]

well , I haven't done a count but it looks to me that we have smart people that practice some form of preparedness . No wonder all those preparedness sites on the internet and survival goods suppliers like COSTCO and WALMART and other suppliers are thriving . When the big box stores are selling survival supplies you just know that PREPARING has gone main stream and i'm happy to see the trend . Seeing how Candy got this preparedness thread going and interest was / is high maybe we could get a PREPAREDNESS TIPS thread going .