When the Collapse Comes...

[thereisnospoon]

it amazes me when republicans feel we liberals feel that we can't survive without a government hand out ... we dems have never relied on government hand out ... what we have said because we are a working government that we should take care of the unfornate when needed ... what makes you think that liberals don't have surviuvakl shelters too ... you seem to have these Ideas that we liberals never prepair for the worst... we are linerals thats what we do ...

You'll quickly become conservatives, protecting what it is yours and of course your loved ones.
You of course, won't be well off. Because you can't spell.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Fun iis the operative word. The world is not going to collapse. But if you are a real prepper (thank you for using the correct term), no one is going to come knocking at my door because they won't have any idea you are one.

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

What good are C rations when you have a tunnel where your brain used to be?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

Only if it's you.
And then I will trade your butt for more Cocoa Puffs.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Let it burn. There will be more dignity in it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Saw this yesterday:



I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

lol... While fences make good neighbors in IMO, they also make good allies in some specific situations. Lock down the cross streets on your street and defend.

-Geaux

Why would locking down a cross street be a priority?

To keep out the leeches.
Survival of the fittest and most prepared.
God gave us self awareness as in self preservation. You think about it.
Do you really think the weak and lazy will be left behind to repopulate the planet?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You bring up Katrina. I don't know if you've ever paid any attention to my mentor Dave Ramsey or not but when he talks about investments and these cretins trying to sell you gold and silver, he always points out Katrina.

Gold didn't become the currency of New Orleans during that micro-collapse. Water became almost as precious FWIW

And ammo will bring twice that. An excellent trading item

-Geaux

Wouldn't give you a nickel for $10 worth of ammo.

A) Ammo is only necessary when you plan to shoot someone
B) Planning to shoot someone will have the problematic side effect of drawing return fire.
C) The preppers will always be outnumbered by those who didn't prep

Under you "collapse" scenarion, the only valid currency is ammunition and the means necessary to effectively deliver it the only valid law.
Eschew at your own risk.

 

[midcan5]

The end is near, the end is near, December 21, 2012 is the day .... whoa wait a minute that passed.... There must some evolutionary strain in humans that the present is the worst it can be until tomorrow but the past was a bed of roses...

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. ¶ Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privilege position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. ¶ The earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. ¶ It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known." Carl Sagan

 

[Hum Dinger]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

 

[pismoe]

thing I see mentioned somewhere in this thread is that the prepared LIVE in FEAR . I always heard that term on another message board and it was an English message board . My comment is that most people that are prepared prepare as part of their lifestyle and there is NO fear . Shooters shoot and reload as part of their lifestyle as they build skill . Gardeners garden and try to figure out food preservation as a way to save money and as a way to self sufficiency . People that heat with wood do it as a way to save money and its nice to look out in the woodshed and see a year or 2 pile of firewood , especially if its FREE . So , in closing , preparedness and preppers are just looking to be self sufficient and independent and that used to be a very American trait . Has nothing at all to do with LIVING in FEAR !! [just a comment]

 

[candycorn]

Yes we will. But those who didn't prepare will have to get into my home. I don't have to get into theirs. They are in the open, while I am not. They are starving and need to have something now. I can wait.

So now you're shooting at people who are hungry....

A couple of well placed matches and the bullets you've stockpiled become a liability.

A couple of well placed matches and the bullets you've stockpiled become a liability.

are you ******* stupid or just out of your ******* mind ? please do NOT reply, as you will only confirm my suspicions.
any one coming close with a match will be found nearby by the buzzards circling overhead !

Gotta sleep sometime.
Oh wait, let me guess, you don't sleep.
Or you have a lieutenant who will benevolently stand guard while you sleep right?

Whenever you get into a discussion with pugilistic preppers, it eventually comes down to the same nonsense that clouds the armed revolutionaries....they always have people whom they swear will be loyal and are just committed (or should be) as they are.

But somehow, if you're not willing to strangle a mother and her 10 old girl, you're "soft" and are easy pickings???

Being called a lunatic by people like you is pretty much a compliment.

 

[candycorn]

i'm for being prepared Candy , certainly not cheering for a breakdown in society although some people think that society is already breaking down or has broken down .

I think most preppers are cheering for it so their life's work (and sadly in some case's life's worth) is not for naught. How's that old Garth Brooks song go...

"They all laughed at Noah for building his great ark...but for 40 days and 40 nights he was looking pretty smart."

The question is that when it happens (all societies eventually crumble from being the dominant culture in the world), do you mow down a woman and her baby with your 10,000 rounds of ammo you've stockpiled for just such an occassion and feed them to your pigs and cattle or do you welcome them into your house?

I think you're off your rocker and have been incredibly sheltered.

Okay, play out the scenario.

The collapse comes and a woman and her 10 year old daughter come onto your property asking for food and shelter.

What do you do?

My welcome mat would be out because that is where we're different and exceptional. We avoided tribalism (to a great extent) in this nation when compared to other societies. We've had a civil war but, despite what many on the right think, it's well in the past. We've had growing pains but are one United States of America--also despite what many on the left here think.

It's very easy to say that when you've never been in an actual survival situation. Your welcome mat might be out, but it's unlikely you'd be able to help many people. If you're not prepared, there's nothing to give. If you're not vigilant, others will over-run you post haste.

I'm not expecting to help many people to be honest. I believe in the systems we have in place and I think most people do. I've looked at the plans, the annexes, and the National Response Framework. I've been "programmed"/"trained" to rely on myself for 72 hours. It should take that long to restore order; max. As stated, I have a little extra in my go-bag/kit to sustain for a longer period of time. A very limited longer period grant you.

If it comes down to 6 weeks of having to live on my own skills, I'd be pretty much screwed.

 

[candycorn]

And ammo will bring twice that. An excellent trading item

-Geaux

Wouldn't give you a nickel for $10 worth of ammo.

A) Ammo is only necessary when you plan to shoot someone
B) Planning to shoot someone will have the problematic side effect of drawing return fire.
C) The preppers will always be outnumbered by those who didn't prep

At least you dont have to worry about stocking up on anything,you'll be among the first dead.

Yeah, sure....whatever loser.

 

[candycorn]

lol... While fences make good neighbors in IMO, they also make good allies in some specific situations. Lock down the cross streets on your street and defend.

-Geaux

Why would locking down a cross street be a priority?

To keep out the leeches.
Survival of the fittest and most prepared.
God gave us self awareness as in self preservation. You think about it.
Do you really think the weak and lazy will be left behind to repopulate the planet?

Again, a woman comes to your compound with a 10 year old daughter and asks for food and shelter.

Your answer is what?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

The sad thing...? You actually put some thought into that.

 

[candycorn]

thing I see mentioned somewhere in this thread is that the prepared LIVE in FEAR . I always heard that term on another message board and it was an English message board . My comment is that most people that are prepared prepare as part of their lifestyle and there is NO fear . Shooters shoot and reload as part of their lifestyle as they build skill . Gardeners garden and try to figure out food preservation as a way to save money and as a way to self sufficiency . People that heat with wood do it as a way to save money and its nice to look out in the woodshed and see a year or 2 pile of firewood , especially if its FREE . So , in closing , preparedness and preppers are just looking to be self sufficient and independent and that used to be a very American trait . Has nothing at all to do with LIVING in FEAR !! [just a comment]

Fear is probably the wrong word to use.

Incessant paranoia and child-like fantasies about their capabilities...probably a better way to put it.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Why would locking down a cross street be a priority?

To keep out the leeches.
Survival of the fittest and most prepared.
God gave us self awareness as in self preservation. You think about it.
Do you really think the weak and lazy will be left behind to repopulate the planet?

Again, a woman comes to your compound with a 10 year old daughter and asks for food and shelter.

Your answer is what?

I come to your house tomorrow and I ask you for $25,000. I really, really, really need that money. Let's say a loanshark is going to kill me for not paying my debt.

Does my need for the money put an obligation on you to provide it, especially so if it imposes terrible hardship on you?

 

[candycorn]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

I fully cosign everything you said except for the 4th.

In some of the plans I've seen (and you saw this during the riots in South Central LA and New Orleans during Katrina), police are often summoned to protect the first responders during times of crisis.

There won't be a lot of arrests going on unless there is a real threat to security...not looting or criminal trespassing.

So I don't think there will be a big purge of the preppers. Unless they start mowing down people Which, sadly, is what a lot of them seem to have in mind thinking that there is only so much pie to go around and they will get seconds before you get a piece.

Good post.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wouldn't give you a nickel for $10 worth of ammo.

A) Ammo is only necessary when you plan to shoot someone
B) Planning to shoot someone will have the problematic side effect of drawing return fire.
C) The preppers will always be outnumbered by those who didn't prep

At least you dont have to worry about stocking up on anything,you'll be among the first dead.

Yeah, sure....whatever loser.

I know the idea of protecting yourself scares the shit out of you.
Your way of dealing with your inadequacies is to demean those who can.
Fucken metrosexuals...

 

[pismoe]

all it is is life style , not everyone in the USA likes being dependent Candy so they try to take care of themselves as best they can . [see the example of Katrina]

 

[candycorn]

To keep out the leeches.
Survival of the fittest and most prepared.
God gave us self awareness as in self preservation. You think about it.
Do you really think the weak and lazy will be left behind to repopulate the planet?

Again, a woman comes to your compound with a 10 year old daughter and asks for food and shelter.

Your answer is what?

I come to your house tomorrow and I ask you for $25,000. I really, really, really need that money. Let's say a loanshark is going to kill me for not paying my debt.

Does my need for the money put an obligation on you to provide it, especially so if it imposes terrible hardship on you?

Why is it you can't answer a question...ever?

Here, I'll show you how it's done.

You need the money to repay a loan shark. You got yourself into the mess....you need to get yourself out of the mess. It was just you and you alone.

Nobody individually will be responsible for the collapse of the society

So.........getting back to the question you're going to dance around again (I already know it)


The collapse comes and the woman and her 10 year old girl...seeking food and shelter...what was your answer?


Try to summon some testosterone and answer the question.