When the Collapse Comes...

[pismoe]

and sorry about the repeat but watch the news the next time there is a small earthquake in L.A.. Watch as the people run to grocery stores to get supplies but find empty shelves Candy .

 

[Synthaholic]

Fun iis the operative word. The world is not going to collapse. But if you are a real prepper (thank you for using the correct term), no one is going to come knocking at my door because they won't have any idea you are one.

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

Yup. Look what happened to those folks who were holed up in that house in 'Night Of The Living Dead'!!!

 

[candycorn]

all it is is life style , not everyone in the USA likes being dependent Candy so they try to take care of themselves as best they can . [see the example of Katrina]

A hurricane of Biblical proportions strikes MS and causes flooding that not only hit the lower 9th ward (where the black folks lived) but also hit the central business district.

You can make a good case for people not being prepared when they had ample warning to evacuate or hunker down. Katrina isn't it.

 

[candycorn]

and sorry about the repeat but watch the news the next time there is a small earthquake in L.A.. Watch as the people run to grocery stores to get supplies but find empty shelves .

And when the earth swallows your shelter...what were you supposed to do

 

[pismoe]

Prepared people either left N.Orleans or had hurricane parties in their well prepared homes Candy . I, my parents and 4 brothers and sisters did the same when we had blizzards in the U.P. that would shut every thing down for days and maybe a week or so .

 

[pismoe]

and when the earth swallows yer shelter . I think you are being sarcastic but to answer , well I suppose that a person would do the best that he can .

 

[pismoe]

because those people do RUN to the grocery stores . Best to be prepared and have a couple 12 packs of toilet paper in the house just to avoid disappointment Candy .

 

[Rikurzhen]

The collapse comes and the woman and her 10 year old girl...seeking food and shelter...what was your answer?

"You need the money to repay a loan shark. You got yourself into the mess....you need to get yourself out of the mess. It was just you and you alone."

You need the food and water and protection that I have. You got yourself into the mess....you need to get yourself out of the mess. It was just you and you alone. You could have prepared but you didn't.

 

[pismoe]

I mentioned that English message board but none of those guys that I used to speak to had any use for preparation except that prepared people in the USA LIVE in FEAR . There are prepared people living in the U.K. because there are some forums and message boards on preparedness in the UK .

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

It depends on the neighbor in a survival situation.

A strong, sound and street-smart neighbor, who can contribute skills to an already self-sufficient community --- yes.

Moochers --- no.

If I have to choose between feeding the local mechanic when SHTF or the nearby Women Studies Progressive professor, guess who I'm going to share my food with?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Why would locking down a cross street be a priority?

To keep out the leeches.
Survival of the fittest and most prepared.
God gave us self awareness as in self preservation. You think about it.
Do you really think the weak and lazy will be left behind to repopulate the planet?

Again, a woman comes to your compound with a 10 year old daughter and asks for food and shelter.

Your answer is what?

Depends on the situation and timing. Do we have enough to help her out? What skill does she bring to the table and do we need that?

Your first problem in bringing up these situations is you desperately want to hear that if it was you and the child someone would take over the government role and just keep you alive. When in reality that probably isn't the case.

 

[pismoe]

Just common sense ehh , 2nd Amendment , just common sense !!

 

[pismoe]

current example of being or not being prepared is Ohio , think in Toledo where the water can't be used according to authorities . Thing is that the prepared person would either have a supply of bottled water or a filtering system like a BERKEY water filter . Me , I'd have to experiment to see but I might just strain and then boil the water , maybe .

 

[pismoe]

--- Grain Mill Nutrimill Bosch Mixer Bosch Mixers Wheat Flour Grinder Mills Family Grain Mill Best Buy --- just some info to build the concept of always being prepared . I don't sell these things .

 

[WinterBorn]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

There are some problems with your scenarios.

First, much would depend on the accessibility of fuel for vehicles. Once the suplly is cut off, what is left will have to be strictly rationed and guarded. This would preclude any forays into the surrounding countryside in search of preppers to kill or arrest.

Second, the food supply would have to be collected, stored, rationed and guarded. Depending on the time of year the collapse happened, it could be 6 months or a year before food could be grown in gardens. So that food that was already in stores and homes would be all they'd have. Regardless of national Guard and city officials, the major farms will likely be shut down and the transportation of goods will be all but stopped. We live in times of such rapid shipping that very little is stored. It will go quickly.

Back to the preppers, it would be reasonable to assume that most preppers would have their stores and homesteads well outside of the cities. Unless they forage into the range of the co-op described above, they would likely have no contact with them. And should the co-op decide to go foraging out towards the preppers, they would likely find some rather serious resistance. Would what they gained be worth the cost of getting it? Likely not.

 

[WinterBorn]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

Fourth, individual paranoid 'preppers' that did not cooperate with the above groups will be killed or placed under arrest quickly.

Finally, there will be a push from the national guard and other groups into areas where anarchy reigns - it may take some time but law and order will prevail.

The first week may be hell, but things will get better after that.

I am curious. What do you mean by "cooperate"?

 

[Political Junky]

Many, on the Right, will be busy converting Jews to Christianity so they won't be destroyed in Armageddon.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Though the idea of a total collapse is silly, just for the fun of it:

The first thing that would happen is that ad hoc groups of National guard and army reservists would form and start enforcing law and order - they would take control of key facilities.

What makes you say this? Why do you believe that these units would muster themsleves when the people in these units have families, etc to take care of?

Second, ad hoc groups of individuals would start to form - primarily with the intention of helping each other and anyone else that needed help. They would have some limited stash of arms, but enough to deal with rogue individuals. They would most likely be lead by local town mayors or police chiefs.

What makes you say this?

Third, the people from the two groups above would be fully cooperative with each other.

What makes you say this?

So far, all I see here is straw.

 

[WinterBorn]

I think most preppers are cheering for it so their life's work (and sadly in some case's life's worth) is not for naught. How's that old Garth Brooks song go...

"They all laughed at Noah for building his great ark...but for 40 days and 40 nights he was looking pretty smart."

The question is that when it happens (all societies eventually crumble from being the dominant culture in the world), do you mow down a woman and her baby with your 10,000 rounds of ammo you've stockpiled for just such an occassion and feed them to your pigs and cattle or do you welcome them into your house?

I think you're off your rocker and have been incredibly sheltered.

Okay, play out the scenario.

The collapse comes and a woman and her 10 year old daughter come onto your property asking for food and shelter.

What do you do?

My welcome mat would be out because that is where we're different and exceptional. We avoided tribalism (to a great extent) in this nation when compared to other societies. We've had a civil war but, despite what many on the right think, it's well in the past. We've had growing pains but are one United States of America--also despite what many on the left here think.

It's very easy to say that when you've never been in an actual survival situation. Your welcome mat might be out, but it's unlikely you'd be able to help many people. If you're not prepared, there's nothing to give. If you're not vigilant, others will over-run you post haste.

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No one else seems willing to answer you, so I will.

The answer is: It depends.

If it is a short-term crisis, like a weather related disaster, I would help her in any way I could.

If it were a more serious collapse, such that help was not coming in the foreseeable future, it would still depend.

I am a father. I have 2 sons and a daughter. One son is married and my daughter is engaged. I also have 2 brothers and a sister. One brother and my sister are married.

So I could, potentially, have a dozen or more mouths to feed on what I have stashed. If the crisis hit late enough that I was unable to enlarge my garden a great deal, we would be stretching it to feed my family. Any food I gave away would mean members of my family going hungry. If the stores were such that we could spare it, the woman and her daughter would be fed, but would stay with us. At least for a while.

If my stores were such that I was unable to feed my family until the following year's harvest, the woman and her daughter would be out of luck.

In the last situation, if I took them in, I would be guaranteeing the starvation of them both plus members of my family. The only way I could take in strangers would be if I stockpile more food now.

 

[Wildman]

I wouldn't turn away all neighbors, just the ones that refused to pitch in and help. Actually if things were really that bad I wouldn't turn them away either, I'd shoot them on the spot and feed their carcasses to the guard dogs.

I'm not a "prepper," but I do have the basics since I live in an area that got demolished by 3 hurricanes 10 years ago.

You would

Shoot
a fellow
Human
on the spot
and feed
them
to
a
dog​

And those that did "help" you...what did they help you do? Kill humans to feed animals? I think I'd rather be dog food than to sit with vermin such as yourself.

Lighten up, Francis. I was kidding.

you can not joke with a liberfool, they have no sense of humor, i wouldn't feed the dogs too much liberfood, it might make them sick..., while on the other hand, buzzards are one of the best at consuming rotten flesh, live libercarrion need to be very cautious in buzzard country.