When the Collapse Comes...

[pismoe]

well , I don't think that everyone knows about them Candy . I sometimes have to watch O reilly and he features a guy that does WATTERS WORLD . WATTERS goes around asking college students among others about ww2 , ww1 , the civil war and other historic events . The ignorance of these college students is amazing as they have no knowledge . They think that their nice cushy lifestyle is going to last forever . I don't think that it will .

 

[candycorn]

well , I don't think that everyone knows about them Candy . I sometimes have to watch O reilly and he features a guy that does WATTERS WORLD . WATTERS goes around asking college students among others about ww2 , ww1 , the civil war and other historic events . The ignorance of these college students is amazing as they have no knowledge . They think that their nice cushy lifestyle is going to last forever . I don't think that it will .

Will you feel cheated if it did? What does it matter to you?

What you don't see is the 50 or so kids that knew the answers and only the few who didn't. Jay Leno used to do the same thing.

Again, the point is that practically nobody knows what it would be like to live under those conditions so asking people to prepare for life under those conditions is a bit unrealistic.

 

[candycorn]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

It almost seems like the Gus Fring gambit of having small stockpiles of material stashed in several places through-out the countryside is preferable to having a "goldmine" in your basement.

A serious prepper, with common sense, would never advertize that he/she is a prepper. There would be no lights showing at night, and the SUV would be hidden away. The house or bunker would be prepared for defense, and a plan 'B' would exist in case plan"A" failed.

A serious prepper would hunker down with his family, and possibly friends, for days and possibly weeks. Staying invisable until the bulk of the unfed masses have ceased to exist. Hunger, disease, and exposure to the elements would be taking a toll on the weak and unprepared.

And then they come out their bunkers to rule the world? Starting with burying the unfed masses? Congratulations on your survival...

 

[pismoe]

I avoid most of the things you mention by living as rural as I can POLAR BEAR and just that simple living arrangement is a part of my preparation . I am lucky though , I dislike big cities . Concerning EMP attacks . There are all sorts of scenarios on an EMP attack other than all out nuclear war . I don't worry about EMP , I don't fear EMP , I just take EMP into consideration the same way that USA government does . To me EMP is just interesting information to be aware of same as I'd be interested in a new disease being introduced into the USA .

 

[pismoe]

good question when you ask why it matters to me because it doesn't matter to me Candy . I just see the segments as comical and as proof of these college students poor education . Actually these uneducated kids on Watters World remind me of that blonde and redheaded chick that are some kind of government spokes chicks named marie harf and jan psaki I think . I ask the same question about caring when I ask people that argue against preparing why they care . Prepared people generally prepare at their own expense so why does anyone care about what they do Candy .

 

[WinterBorn]

Yup.

Without question. Share; not give away all. Then again...I have faith in the structure. The 72 hour go bag is a req for my job.

Faith in the system is fine. But the basic premise of the scenarios we are discussing is that the system is gone.

If you could not stay with the families, would you give them the go-bag and go on to where your work required you to be?

Not really but if the "system" is gone, the bag becomes less important than ever. Again, the 72 hour go bag required for work allows the authorities not to have to worry about our hospital from the standpoint of sustaining the first responders. In other words, our doctors, nurses, administrators, air wing, etc... could be totally self-sustaining for a maximum of 72 hours.

If there is no system steering patients or the worried well to our facilities...there is no need to go to work.

I'd probably take the savings and drive to one of the coasts.

Ok, then if the system is still in place and will be back soon, I would give the woman and her 10 year old daughter a ride home. No need being out in a strange neighborhood.

 

[WinterBorn]

an EMP attack would not be a local event and is designed to shut down the entire USA from what I understand . I'm not saying that its going to happen , just saying that USA gov takes EMP seriously enough to be studying it .

The kind of "EMP attack" they,... and now you are talking about, will happen only when there is an all out nuclear war.
The first missiles will be high altitude air bursts to knock out satellites as well as causing EMP`s and the rest of them targeting the population centers will already be on their way.
Much more likely is that a solar storm like the one that just missed us.
And if there is another one that is powerful enough to do knock out the US power grid then it`s not assault rifles and case loads of ammo that you need.
Neither one can protect you from the missiles that follow a nuclear strike EMP or a solar storm.
A solar storm will not knock out the power grid the way it`s been revamped after the "great blackout" for more than just a couple of hours.
Yeah in a big city like NYC or LA that could be a problem
If that happens do you feel threatened enough by people who did not prepare to hide in a bunker and start shooting?
I would think these people who would be looters would pick a much juicier target like a Hospital which would be a lot less risky and they would have much more than what you could possibly have stored.
Oh my God, somebody better tell the doctors & nurses that they should buy assault rifles and lots of ammo before they get caught with their pants down

Every tornado and hurricane aftermath I have worked has been plagued by looters. These scum did not attack hospitals. They looted homes and stores.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I would go further to say that of every 100 preppers, 80 would welcome them into their bunker or whatever they have going on.

So the remaining 20% are the asshole preppers posting here? Every single one of the nutbags did the "me and mine come first" line.

Got news for you dumbass - Me and mine DO come first. If you and your perverted family DON'T come first - that tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Erand7899]

Saw this yesterday:



I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

there's always an "end of the world" conspiracy floating around, and like any other conspiracy it can't be proven or debunked.

but if the world does come to an end, and if you were one of the doom and gloom crowd, who in the hell are you going to be able to tell you were right ?

HUH ?

It's sort of a self-defeating prophecy...

When you're standing on top of the pile of rubble and nobody is there to share it with you...congratulations I guess; you've vanquished all of humanity for the sake of preserving....humanity?

What is obvious (to most) and oblivious (to many) is that this is where our hope as a collective is....in caring for your neighbor; not trying to find ways to ensure your survival and letting them fend for themselves or worse, ensuring your survival and making sure they aren't there to suck up any precious resources.

You are free to put your hope in the collective, and live or perish with them. My primary duty is to ensure the survival of my family. The collective comes second. I am not a prepper, nor a survivalist, but I am one who plans for the bad times during the good times. I believe I have the capabilities to carry my family through a disaster, either natural, or man made.

I have little sympathy for those who do not provide for themselves or their families, and I have little sympathy for those who do not use their common sense, when the possibility of disaster is near. Nor, do I see any reason for them living off of my preparations and putting my family in danger.

Katrina is an excellent example. People knew that storm was coming. Common sense plus radio and TV spots advised filling the bathtub, and stockpiling water before the storm got there. It doesn't take much money to rinse out a few plastic milk jugs and fill them from the tap. Yet, the vast majority of people in New Orleans did none of that. They were waiting for government to take care of them.

 

[WinterBorn]

I avoid most of the things you mention by living as rural as I can POLAR BEAR and just that simple living arrangement is a part of my preparation . I am lucky though , I dislike big cities . Concerning EMP attacks . There are all sorts of scenarios on an EMP attack other than all out nuclear war . I don't worry about EMP , I don't fear EMP , I just take EMP into consideration the same way that USA government does . To me EMP is just interesting information to be aware of same as I'd be interested in a new disease being introduced into the USA .

I have moved to Atlanta a year or so ago, but I kept my place in east central Alabama. In the middle of nowhere.

 

[westwall]

Fun iis the operative word. The world is not going to collapse. But if you are a real prepper (thank you for using the correct term), no one is going to come knocking at my door because they won't have any idea you are one.

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

So, by mobile you mean you go around preying on those who actually have supplies...is that what you mean?

 

[Erand7899]

I would guess that the preppers who have the best chance of survival in a world gone mad, would be those who are associated with other like minded preppers. The larger the group, the better the chance of ultimate survival. Many of the armed groups that the left wing likes to refer to as militias, are just preppers prepared for the disaster they believe is coming.

 

[polarbear]

and why do some people know about ww1 , ww2 and the civil war that you mention while others don't know about them and who's fault is that Candy . The answer is probably that its the public schools fault but public schools and reading newspapers in the late 50s taught me about these historical events when I went to school . They also taught me about the civil war . Why did I as a 10 year old know about the Nazis , concentration camps , Nuremberg trials , Hiroshima , Nagasaki , civil war and other events but now the excuse is that people don't remember these events so they see no reason to prepare .

BS! The only thing you were "taught" was propaganda, who was at fault and how who did whatever to whom was "justified".
And a whole lot of that stuff were just outright lies
What bugs you is that these college kids who have a "cushy lifestyle" make up their own mind instead of letting the kind of news-media you prefer, do the thinking for them.
It`s the "college kids with their cushy lifestyle" who object to what`s going on in Gaza while people like you keep "justifying" it.
Some of these college kids with "cushy life styles" are in Gaza working with the UN and NGO`s and doing so under abhorrent conditions along with the rest of the "human shields" who are stuck living there and "deserve to get killed".
So what exactly did you learn from O`Riley how you could survive if some other country would some day make a Hiroshima or Gaza out of the city where you live?
Nothing, in fact you know even less than any of these college kids you don`t like and people like you would like nothing more than seeing "their cushy lifestyle" coming to an end while you stuff yourself in your "survival bunker".
But that`s not going to happen quite the way you would like it.
For now if you like to see some of that you could go to that hill in Israel and applaud while they are shelling Gaza...while the college kids who you say don`t know anything are looking at what`s being shelled in the international press, while others are working where the shells are exploding
People in Gaza who don`t shoot with anything at anybody would like to have the kind of "world collapse " bunkers where these "preppers" are stock piling weapons and ammo. If they were allowed by Israel to build bunkers like that and you would want to come in they would let you come in.

 

[Missourian]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

Darn near have too.

Not "Go **** yourself"...you just won't be able to tell anyone you have anything.

Who could you really trust in that kind of situation not to take advntage of the knowledge that you have a supply of things that everyone desperately wants?

Better to keep that information top secret, IMHO.

 

[HandyAndy]

I don't think most of America knows how touchy our electric grid is the power company experts say that if terrorist found out what 8 or 9 transformers to attack it would black out the entire country for almost 2 years because the power transformers we use are made in only 2 countries and take 18 months to make people cant live a week without power imagine going 2 years it would be complete chaos.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

Hey, nice troll attempt! I'll blow their head clean off with my nice, well not really, SAIGA!

 

[pismoe]

hey POLAR BEAR , rather than argue with yer personal opinion about me I'll just respond that everyone has an opinion and you are welcome to yer opinion .

 

[westwall]

It almost seems like the Gus Fring gambit of having small stockpiles of material stashed in several places through-out the countryside is preferable to having a "goldmine" in your basement.

A serious prepper, with common sense, would never advertize that he/she is a prepper. There would be no lights showing at night, and the SUV would be hidden away. The house or bunker would be prepared for defense, and a plan 'B' would exist in case plan"A" failed.

A serious prepper would hunker down with his family, and possibly friends, for days and possibly weeks. Staying invisable until the bulk of the unfed masses have ceased to exist. Hunger, disease, and exposure to the elements would be taking a toll on the weak and unprepared.

And then they come out their bunkers to rule the world? Starting with burying the unfed masses? Congratulations on your survival...

In a real world disaster situation you have those who were prepared and those who weren't. The ultimate question is, do you have a few who live in relative poverty, or do they all die? You see that is the nature of preparedness. We realize that you can only take care of so many people. They all have to be productive or useful in some way as well. That's just the way it is sadly.

What you find among a large majority of preppers is they help their neighbors so that the local neighborhood can be self sufficient. Preppers for the most part aren't stupid. They realize they need to sleep and so having a small community of like minded folks helps to spread the burden out.

What I do find amusing though is the mentality of the progressives vs the conservatives. The conservatives want to be prepared and the progressives claim they will attack the conservatives and take what they have.

Interesting...

 

[pismoe]

I think a good example is like the in old days and a barn raising . Help your neighbor and later on he / she will help you . After the work everyone has a party .

 

[Missourian]

Saw this yesterday:

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

there's always an "end of the world" conspiracy floating around, and like any other conspiracy it can't be proven or debunked.

but if the world does come to an end, and if you were one of the doom and gloom crowd, who in the hell are you going to be able to tell you were right ?

HUH ?

Probably not that kind of collapse...more like the great depression, or the Argentinian collapse.

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