When Religious Freedom reaches its Inevitable Conclusion...

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Religious man slaps DMV worker with $6.6M suit for forcing him to ‘submit to an insurance god’

The 79-year-old Jensen, of Athol, cited his religious belief in only one god, named Yehovah, who handed down his laws to Moses and the Israelites.

“Believers in Yehovah are commanded to obey only his statutes,” Jensen argued in his filing. “As such, (Jensen) is not subject to the jurisdiction of the codes and statutes of the artificial person of the state of Idaho, nor can he be subject to the codes and statutes of any fiction.”

One of those fictions, in Jensen’s view of the law, is the requirement that drivers carry automobile insurance.

Pemble sent a letter Sept. 3 to Jensen informing him that his driver’s license was suspended until he purchased liability insurance.

Jensen had been cited in June 2014 for failing to register his vehicle or purchase insurance, and he was found guilty during a subsequent trial was was fined $198.50 and jailed five days for contempt of court.

He then began a campaign against Pemble using tactics and language associated with the “sovereign citizens” movement — a loose grouping of adherents who claim immunity from federal, state and local laws, citing God’s law or common law over constitutional authority.

“(Pemble) does not have the authority to govern the actions of a natural person,” Jensen wrote in one notice. “There is no provision under law whereby (Pemble) can subject a natural person to the codes and statutes of a fictitious entity.”

Pemble never responded to those “notice and demand” letters, and Jensen filed a lawsuit seeking $6,689,940 in damages payable in gold or silver — because he considers currency to be debt.



THOU SHALT NOT BUY INSURANCE!!

 

[Katzndogz]

This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This idiot believes he is a sovereign citizen which is a social movement not a religious belief.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I agree. This has nothing to do with freedom of religion. This guy is one of those sovereign citizen nut-jobs.

 

[OldLady]

Religious man slaps DMV worker with $6.6M suit for forcing him to ‘submit to an insurance god’

The 79-year-old Jensen, of Athol, cited his religious belief in only one god, named Yehovah, who handed down his laws to Moses and the Israelites.

“Believers in Yehovah are commanded to obey only his statutes,” Jensen argued in his filing. “As such, (Jensen) is not subject to the jurisdiction of the codes and statutes of the artificial person of the state of Idaho, nor can he be subject to the codes and statutes of any fiction.”

One of those fictions, in Jensen’s view of the law, is the requirement that drivers carry automobile insurance.

Pemble sent a letter Sept. 3 to Jensen informing him that his driver’s license was suspended until he purchased liability insurance.

Jensen had been cited in June 2014 for failing to register his vehicle or purchase insurance, and he was found guilty during a subsequent trial was was fined $198.50 and jailed five days for contempt of court.

He then began a campaign against Pemble using tactics and language associated with the “sovereign citizens” movement — a loose grouping of adherents who claim immunity from federal, state and local laws, citing God’s law or common law over constitutional authority.

“(Pemble) does not have the authority to govern the actions of a natural person,” Jensen wrote in one notice. “There is no provision under law whereby (Pemble) can subject a natural person to the codes and statutes of a fictitious entity.”

Pemble never responded to those “notice and demand” letters, and Jensen filed a lawsuit seeking $6,689,940 in damages payable in gold or silver — because he considers currency to be debt.



THOU SHALT NOT BUY INSURANCE!!

I'm converting!

 

[Mac1958]

This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This idiot believes he is a sovereign citizen which is a social movement not a religious belief.

Yep.

And the OP will be first in line to spin/deflect on behalf of the PC-protected religion after the next jihadist massacre.
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[Dogmaphobe]

I always find it funny how these "sovereign citizens" still manage to use all the myriad services provided by the state.

If they wished to eke out some meager existence living a cave, somewhere grubbing for worms and foraging berries, that would be one thing. The fact that they accept all the services while making these claims about their supposed right to avoid any responsibility just makes them the biggest hypocrites imaginable.

.....and, of course, crazy as all get up.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This idiot believes he is a sovereign citizen which is a social movement not a religious belief.

Yep.

And the OP will be first in line to spin/deflect on behalf of the PC-protected religion after the next jihadist massacre.
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But you need to understand, Mac, that he is only following the required guidelines when he does so.

Otherwise, he might not be able to use his clown avatar.

 

[Mac1958]

This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This idiot believes he is a sovereign citizen which is a social movement not a religious belief.

Yep.

And the OP will be first in line to spin/deflect on behalf of the PC-protected religion after the next jihadist massacre.
.

But you need to understand, Mac, that he is only following the required guidelines when he does so.

Otherwise, he might not be able to use his clown avatar.

He definitely is obedient!
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[Mac1958]

I always find it funny how these "sovereign citizens" still manage to use all the myriad services provided by the state.

If they wished to eke out some meager existence living a cave, somewhere grubbing for worms and foraging berries, that would be one thing. The fact that they accept all the services while making these claims about their supposed right to avoid any responsibility just makes them the biggest hypocrites imaginable.

.....and, of course, crazy as all get up.

I'd love to see the conversation during which they talk themselves into the stuff.

A few Hamm's™ beers into it, somebody screams out, "yeah, that's a GREAT idea!"


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[bucs90]

Um.....he is not REQUIRED to drive on our public roads.

He CHOOSES to drive a car on our roads. By doing so....he voluntarily enters into the requirement to buy auto insurance.

How silly. No God or government can FORCE a person to purchase any private product, including insurance haha....what kind of morons would think that?????

 

[Skylar]

Religious man slaps DMV worker with $6.6M suit for forcing him to ‘submit to an insurance god’

The 79-year-old Jensen, of Athol, cited his religious belief in only one god, named Yehovah, who handed down his laws to Moses and the Israelites.

“Believers in Yehovah are commanded to obey only his statutes,” Jensen argued in his filing. “As such, (Jensen) is not subject to the jurisdiction of the codes and statutes of the artificial person of the state of Idaho, nor can he be subject to the codes and statutes of any fiction.”

One of those fictions, in Jensen’s view of the law, is the requirement that drivers carry automobile insurance.

Pemble sent a letter Sept. 3 to Jensen informing him that his driver’s license was suspended until he purchased liability insurance.

Jensen had been cited in June 2014 for failing to register his vehicle or purchase insurance, and he was found guilty during a subsequent trial was was fined $198.50 and jailed five days for contempt of court.

He then began a campaign against Pemble using tactics and language associated with the “sovereign citizens” movement — a loose grouping of adherents who claim immunity from federal, state and local laws, citing God’s law or common law over constitutional authority.

“(Pemble) does not have the authority to govern the actions of a natural person,” Jensen wrote in one notice. “There is no provision under law whereby (Pemble) can subject a natural person to the codes and statutes of a fictitious entity.”

Pemble never responded to those “notice and demand” letters, and Jensen filed a lawsuit seeking $6,689,940 in damages payable in gold or silver — because he considers currency to be debt.



THOU SHALT NOT BUY INSURANCE!!

I've been saying for years that the 'Religious Liberty' as conceived by conservatives is a Sovereign Citizen argument. As each individual is the sole arbiter of what laws apply to him and which don't.

 

[there4eyeM]

Seems they are controlling automobiles, not humans. Or are cars covered by 'jehovah'?

 

[Skylar]

Seems they are controlling automobiles, not humans. Or are cars covered by 'jehovah'?

Per religious liberty arguments fronted by conservatives....they are if the faithful say they are.

 

[there4eyeM]

If one believes in 'God', of course 'God's' laws supersede all others - for that person. If he/she expects all others to be of the same persuasion, that person has a problem.

 

[Skylar]

If one believes in 'God', of course 'God's' laws supersede all others - for that person. If he/she expects all others to be of the same persuasion, that person has a problem.

Not if they're conception of the 1st amendment places their religious beliefs above all civil law they don't.

Which is, of course, what some conservatives are arguing.

 

[there4eyeM]

How can anyone claim that a secular law established 'God's'?

 

[Skylar]

How can anyone claim that a secular law established 'God's'?

More that if a secular law conflicts with Gods law, God's law is supreme. And the secular law is invalid and unenforceable.

With the decision on when that happens left up to the individual. Making all laws voluntary.

 

[there4eyeM]

All laws are voluntary.

 

[Skylar]

All laws are voluntary.

Not in terms of enforcement they aren't. The Sovereign Citizen religious argument insists that no law can be *enforced* if a religious person doesn't agree with it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Exactly, not in terms of enforcement by others around one in society. It's a matter of the social contract. One can opt out, but 'God' save him/her.