Zone1 Mary's Consent

[toobfreak]

the Holy Ghost performed the procedure.

So in other words, you agree with me that God did it by divine intervention just as I originally said.

 

[BreezeWood]

If God can create universes, he can place a child in a womb effortlessly without disturbing the vagina. To create light, all he had to do was speak.

no, the heavens can not violate the sanctity of any being - they have only the choice to destroy a spirit they can not change what that spirit is - that is why mary is special she and her sibling were the same in spirit neither subsumed to sin being in that manor heavenly on earth.

 

[toobfreak]

If God can create universes, he can place a child in a womb effortlessly without disturbing the vagina. To create light, all he had to do was speak.

Fact. The act of insemination merely adds the XY chromosomes to the egg. God can do this instantly and directly by divine will giving the egg cell dividing and multiplying into a new child easier than a heartbeat.

 

[SweetSue92]

She was a little 14-year-old child, and it was her choice to do God's will, even though she knew it could mean her being stoned to death. The girl had guts. God Bless her.

Certainly young, but not a child. In the ancient world--heck, even in Medieval times--there was barely a sense of being a teenager. If you were healthy and past puberty you were basically of marriageable age.

 

[SweetSue92]

A 14 year old can’t give consent

That's a modern construct. I'm not out here saying we should press 14 yo for sex bc yeah, 14 yo in the 21st century are very much still minors (well so are 24 yo but that's another story). But in the ancient world, Mary was obviously of marriageable age, as she was betrothed.

 

[SweetSue92]

I know, I just used that clip as an example. You can find Mary's response in Luke 1:38 too.



Yeah, no wonder people had questions. They all knew how babies are normally made back then just as much as we do. I would have doubts too about it .




Which part are you referring to?



Yeah she did but since people died at an earlier age back then I don't think that fourteen was considered to be a child.

It wasn't. She was betrothed.

 

[SweetSue92]

Is That Jewish custom late in the 1st Century BC? ...

Irish Lass refers to a legendary account of Mary and her upbringing ... Joseph in this account is middle aged and a widower, an elder of the Temple, already with adult children and grandchildren ...

The Catholic Church suppressed this since it portrays Mary with "itches" and unsuited for the pious lifestyle of a nun ... so she was married off to a gentleman of high degree ...

At times and in places right here in the United States, girls can be married off at 14-years-old ... sometimes younger ... so don't act shocked at the notion ...

After Jesus was born the Bible is clear that Joseph and Mary had a very human marriage. She went on to have several more children.

 

[luiza]

but Mary says to let it be done according to His word before the angel leaves and what woman wouldn't find honor in giving birth to the promised Messiah?

The correct translation for the Nephilim Gabriel is Enforcer .
Not Angel .

Possibly Big Gab ( as we known him ) was very well endowed being around 8 feet tall and filled Mary with joy ( actually jesus , as it turned out).

Regardless, what proof have you that Goddy Boy ever found out about Big Gab's deception ?

 

[Meriweather]

After Jesus was born the Bible is clear that Joseph and Mary had a very human marriage. She went on to have several more children.

I wonder how Clopas (brother of Joseph) and his wife (also named Mary) feel about Protestant denominations crediting Joseph and Mary as being the parents of Clopas and Mary's children. Clopas, Mary, and most of their children were quite active in the Early Church. This has been documented. Parts are even in scripture.

 

[ReinyDays]

After Jesus was born the Bible is clear that Joseph and Mary had a very human marriage. She went on to have several more children.

Why do you think the Bible is clear on this matter? ...

54 - And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 - Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 - And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

-- Matthew Chap 13

All the Jews though Jesus was the son of Joseph ... even His own family ... we need to keep reading:

57 - And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 - And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Clarity is provided in The Protevangelion ...

12 - And the high priest said, Joseph, Thou art the person chosen to take the Virgin of the Lord, to keep her for Him.

13 - But Joseph refused, saying, I am an old man, and have children, but she is young, and I fear lest I should appear ridiculous in Israel.

-- Protevangelion Chap 8

As I stated in a prior post ... this material is legendary ... and considered apocryphal by Western Churches ... however, the Bible doesn't explicitly state Mary bore more children after Jesus, only that Jesus had brothers ... one tradition keeps this as Jesus' half-brothers and sisters ...

Another tradition has Jesus' last descendant working in an abortion clinic ... that's just how Dogma works ...

 

[SweetSue92]

I wonder how Clopas (brother of Joseph) and his wife (also named Mary) feel about Protestant denominations crediting Joseph and Mary as being the parents of Clopas and Mary's children. Clopas, Mary, and most of their children were quite active in the Early Church. This has been documented. Parts are even in scripture.

Wrong. Mary did not remain a virgin her entire life, nor was this required of her.

She. Was. Human.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why do you think the Bible is clear on this matter? ...



-- Matthew Chap 13

All the Jews though Jesus was the son of Joseph ... even His own family ... we need to keep reading:



Clarity is provided in The Protevangelion ...



-- Protevangelion Chap 8

As I stated in a prior post ... this material is legendary ... and considered apocryphal by Western Churches ... however, the Bible doesn't explicitly state Mary bore more children after Jesus, only that Jesus had brothers ... one tradition keeps this as Jesus' half-brothers and sisters ...

Another tradition has Jesus' last descendant working in an abortion clinic ... that's just how Dogma works ...

Because the Bible says "brothers and sisters" many times. Once you go down the road of "interpreting" what is clear language, you are already lost. That's first.

Second, there was no requirement for her to remain a virgin past the birth of Jesus. She was a married woman. Why would this be required?

 

[BreezeWood]

Clopas, Mary, and most of their children were quite active in the Early Church. This has been documented. Parts are even in scripture.

there was no early church, that's why jesus was executed, crucified the alternative to judaism was prohibited - liberation theology, self determination taught by jesus.

* them and their children ... was it a daycare center.

 

[ReinyDays]

Because the Bible says "brothers and sisters" many times. Once you go down the road of "interpreting" what is clear language, you are already lost. That's first.

Second, there was no requirement for her to remain a virgin past the birth of Jesus. She was a married woman. Why would this be required?

There's no requirement for Joseph to NOT be Christ's biological father ... what difference does it make to "love your brother as you love yourself" if Jesus is a 42nd descendant of Abraham? ...

I ask again ... where in the Bible does it state Mary is the mother of all these others? ... or do you not believe Joseph was a elderly widower with adult children already? ... does it even matter today? ...

The discussion is about Mary's age at conception ... the non-Canonical answer is 14-years-old ... "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" ...

 

[Road Runner]

After Jesus was born the Bible is clear that Joseph and Mary had a very human marriage.

As opposed to an outer space marriage?

 

[luiza]

All this fiddling and deceit with details of something they all say is inviolate Scripture.
Same story . As ever .

They cannot accept that Gabriel was an Enforcer ( correct) and not an Angel ( incorrect).
Neither that the supposed Creator was written in the Plural and not the Singular .

Because Cultists have to lie to prop up a bad script .

 

[Meriweather]

She. Was. Human.

Yes. So?

 

[Meriweather]

Because the Bible says "brothers and sisters" many times.

Etymology. The words translated to 'brothers' and 'sisters' were not only used for full-blood brothers and sisters. The word used would more accurately be translated as 'kin'.

 

[SweetSue92]

There's no requirement for Joseph to NOT be Christ's biological father ... what difference does it make to "love your brother as you love yourself" if Jesus is a 42nd descendant of Abraham? ...

I ask again ... where in the Bible does it state Mary is the mother of all these others? ... or do you not believe Joseph was a elderly widower with adult children already? ... does it even matter today? ...

The discussion is about Mary's age at conception ... the non-Canonical answer is 14-years-old ... "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" ...

The Bible states it when it CLEARLY states that Jesus had brothers and sisters

 

[SweetSue92]

Etymology. The words translated to 'brothers' and 'sisters' were not only used for full-blood brothers and sisters. The word used would more accurately be translated as 'kin'.

Why was Mary not allowed a fully human, productive marriage after the birth of Jesus Christ, Our Lord?