When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Grumblenuts]

Right, so if incest is also just another form of rape, why not just say rape? It covers both.

I just don't see the reason to mention rape AND incest, when the word rape would cover both.

Incest is sex between people too closely related to marry. It's not about consent like rape.

 

[The Duke]

Incest is sex between people too closely related to marry. It's not about consent like rape.

Unless it is rape, and in that circumstance, that's probably the case more often than not.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Incest is sex between people too closely related to marry. It's not about consent like rape.

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Unless the female is too young to give consent.




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[scruffy]

Not the lazy ones.

A lazy sperm cell?

Whoever heard of such a thing?

 

[The Duke]

A lazy sperm cell?

Whoever heard of such a thing?

Certainly not my ex's tonsils. Oh!
I'm a bad, bad man.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Unless it is rape, and in that circumstance, that's probably the case more often than not.

Then it's two crimes. Incest + rape.

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Unless the female is too young to give consent.




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Or a male.

 

[Highlight]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

If people are merely arguing that it is a "potential life" from the moment of conception, then preventing a potential life from coming into existence obviously isn't the same as taking a life from existence. (If that was true, then if a person only has 2 children when they have the ability to have 5 means they should be charged with 3 counts of murder, and we know that is absurd).

That's a BS pro-life question to begin with.

 

[The Duke]

Then it's two crimes. Incest + rape.


Or a male.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Then it's two crimes. Incest + rape.


Or a male.

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Except in the bizarre hallucinations of the left cult, men cannot get pregnant.




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[Highlight]

Heartbeat. If a heart stopping means death, a heart beginning to beat signifies life. For any species.

How many creatures that used to have a heartbeat have you eaten. Or killed yourself. A babies brain only starts to fully function shortly before it is born. For any creature that was alive at one time that you have eaten or killed yourself, it knows far more what life means than a fetus before its brain begins to fully function. So killing an already living creature is worse than killing a fetus before its brain begins to fully function.

 

[Chuz Life]

Incest is sex between people too closely related to marry. It's not about consent like rape.

Right. So an act of incest without consent is a rape. True or false?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

A babies brain only starts to fully function shortly before it is born.

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Watch the film "Silent Scream" and then come back and say something so stupid.





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[The Duke]

How many creatures that used to have a heartbeat have you eaten. Or killed yourself. A babies brain only starts to fully function shortly before it is born. For any creature that was alive at one time that you have eaten or killed yourself, it knows far more what life means than a fetus before its brain begins to fully function. So killing an already living creature is worse than killing a fetus before its brain begins to fully function.

STFU you ghoul. Why should you be stealing decent peoples' oxygen again?

 

[Chuz Life]

Quote the exact scripture please.

And also accet that the bible only has relevence in a persons belief ir in religious discussions.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You said:
"A single cell doing its functions is the definition of life. If that cell is human then it's human life."
So based upon your own definition here the act of killing a malignant tumor would constitute the killing of "human life" (your words).
Isn't the killing of human life basically the definition of "murder?"
So, according to your own logic here any surgery which removes any diseased or unwanted tissue from the human body is technically murder.
What is so hard to understand about your own words?

What an ignorant analogy

 

[j-mac]

The question is whether a fetus is a legally protected person, separate from the mother, while it's still in her body, before it's actually born.

It damned well should be...We are talking about the most defenseless of our species....that alone deserves protection.

 

[j-mac]

You said:
"A single cell doing its functions is the definition of life. If that cell is human then it's human life."
So based upon your own definition here the act of killing a malignant tumor would constitute the killing of "human life" (your words).
Isn't the killing of human life basically the definition of "murder?"
So, according to your own logic here any surgery which removes any diseased or unwanted tissue from the human body is technically murder.
What is so hard to understand about your own words?

Unwanted tissue such as a tumor, would still have YOUR DNA characteristics....The thing is that people like you can't get around is science. The moment the sperm fertilizes the egg, a completely unique DNA is formed....Not totally the mothers, not totally the fathers...Separate, and unique....That right there is the beginning of human life. Period.

 

[toobfreak]

When is an embryo/fetus a human life?​

Technically, scientifically, at the moment of conception, because the embryo, fetus, etc., are all just stages of human development.

To be a human being, you must:

1. Be conceived.
2. Develop as an embryo.
3. Form as a fetus.
4. Be born from the womb as an infant.
5. Grow up and develop as an adult or until your time of death.

If one is a human, they are all human. Killing an embryo is killing a person.

 

[DukeU]

And also accet that the bible only has relevence in a persons belief ir in religious discussions.

The Bible has as much or more relevance as any source.

 

[dblack]

Eman623 it

The OP wasn't emphasizing the legal aspect of this issue, at least that's not what I got out of his post. He seemed to be simply asking the question, when is an embryo or fetus a human life?

Fair enough.

If you want to focus on the legal aspect, there are laws that acknowledge that human life begins before birth. For example, if someone murders a pregnant woman, the murderer can be charged with double homicide, in many states.

Those laws were pushed by pro-life activists to create a legal precedent. They used the tragedy of pregnant women dying to get emotional support for these laws specifically so you could use this argument. Most of the people who voted for these laws weren't anti-abortion. They just wanted to aim more punishment at drunk drivers, etc... who had killed a pregnant woman.

But instead of focusing on the legal side of this, I think it's important to discuss this from the standpoint of what is actually true, because as I'm sure you would agree, the law is not what determines what is actually true.

But it's another wedge. Pro-lifers want to try to get people to say - "ok, sure, an embryo is a human life. whatever". Then anti-abortion zealot immediately pivots to "b-b-b-but should the government protect human life!?!?!"

At one time, blacks were considered less than full persons. Did the law make that actually true?

Slavery, and the laws supporting it, were utterly corrupt and irrational from the beginning.

Of course not. In the same way, laws on abortion don't determine the actual truth.

Very few people arguing abortion are debating "truth". Very few people debating vast majority political arguments for that matter are interested in truth. More often, we're debating principals and values.

If you want to stand back and say you're just discussing the academic definition of human life - with no political angle. Ok. But why?