When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[tahuyaman]

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So Roe V Wade, The Left, Democrats, liberal Christians, pro-choice orgs did not impede your ability to protect and nurture your offspring?

Why do you want the government to impose your morality on everybody else when they are no harm to you and have never interfered with your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Huh?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Huh?

Yes or no?

Did Roe V Wade, The Left, Democrats, liberal Christians, pro-choice orgs impede your ability to protect and nurture your offspring?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Cleaned Its Stupid Clock "

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Well, Monk, too bad you are not half as good at putting together a cogent thought into simple, plain english as you are at wordy, fictitious gibberish even if sometimes cleverly composed to sound like you actually know something of which you talk about--- probably why your post only got liked by an idiot.

Apparently you are unable to stick to the thread topic because you do not have a basis for argument .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Loud Mouth Ass Clowns Supporting Dumbfounded Sedition Of Scotus "

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At the time of RvW that was the realities of the fetus being able to survive. Since 1973 technology has moved forward as it will so Roberts wanted to make the line somewhere around 19 weeks. Those further to the right likely could have got him to agree to even 17 weeks.
We could have had a nationwide law that banned abortions after somewhere around 17 weeks. But what we got in reality was an expansion of abortion access.
We could have then addressed the reasons many seek an abortion and really curtailed abortions.

Apparently natural viability escapes you and you are not going to pay for neonatal care and a lifetime of advanced complications that anthropocentric psychopaths feel honored to thrust upon other citizens without the slightest regard for their life , liberty or pursuit of happiness .

You could not swing a constitutional amendment so shut the **** up with the stupidity of your traitorous support of sedition by scotus .

 

[pknopp]

" Loud Mouth Ass Clowns Supporting Dumbfounded Sedition Of Scotus "

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Apparently natural viability escapes you and you are not going to pay for neonatal care and a lifetime of advanced complications that anthropocentric psychopaths feel honored to thrust upon other citizens without the slightest regard for their life , liberty or pursuit of happiness .

You could not swing a constitutional amendment so shut the **** up with the stupidity of your traitorous support of sedition by scotus .

Did you try to say something?

 

[BackAgain]

It’s not complicated at all. Human life begins at conception. Abortion ends an innocent human life.

I truly wish it was as easy as that.

It isn’t.

I oppose abortion. But like it or not, I acknowledge that some circumstances make it an option.

Say a rape of a young girl leading to pregnancy: can a society really say that the youngster is obligated to carry the rapist’s offspring to term? Even at the risk of the kid’s life?

I’d say something very much the same about her pregnancy from incest. Of course even with consent that’s still a rape. But the same question applies: can a society really say that the youngster is obligated to carry the criminal bastard’s offspring to term?

Or where the mother is going to die if the preborn child grows to full term? My vote goes to the mom.

Or what if the child is medically unviable and is absolutely going to die upon birth? What is the value of forcing the mom to take any risk to her own life or health just to achieve that sad end?

There are probably other instances, too.

None of them are the same as this abortion on demand for any reason or for no reason at all crap we presently have.

It has been described as a thorny issue. I have to acknowledge that in some cases.

 

[Chuz Life]

I truly wish it was as easy as that.

It isn’t.

I oppose abortion. But like it or not, I acknowledge that some circumstances make it an option.

Say a rape of a young girl leading to pregnancy: can a society really say that the youngster is obligated to carry the rapist’s offspring to term? Even at the risk of the kid’s life?

I’d say something very much the same about her pregnancy from incest. Of course even with consent that’s still a rape. But the same question applies: can a society really say that the youngster is obligated to carry the criminal bastard’s offspring to term?

Or where the mother is going to die if the preborn child grows to full term? My vote goes to the mom.

Or what if the child is medically unviable and is absolutely going to die upon birth? What is the value of forcing the mom to take any risk to her own life or health just to achieve that sad end?

There are probably other instances, too.

None of them are the same as this abortion on demand for any reason or for no reason at all crap we presently have.

It has been described as a thorny issue. I have to acknowledge that in some cases.

I think they were speaking directly about elective abortions, not any of the exceptions.

 

[Midnight FM]

Regarding the issue of "inherant rights", it's simple.

The law grants legal rights to things based on their inherent qualities. Which is why we grant legal rights to black people but not to rocks, because of the inherent qualities which make black people what they are, which rocks lack.

I would argue that consciousness, not merely being a biological organism is the quality which has inherent rights, and therefore should have legal rights under the law. And since a zygote lacks consciousness, it also lacks these inherent rights.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I oppose abortion.

Then do not be involved in one and leave others to their own private decisions.

 

[toobfreak]

Apparently you are unable to stick to the thread topic because you do not have a basis for argument .

I've already closed the topic moron having proven repeatedly several ways now and times now that the fetus is a human life in every way that counts, no matter how much bullshit you bloviate. And as such, while inside the mother's body, is not really /part/ of her body, not hers to do with as she pleases anymore than I could walk up to a pregnant woman and punch her in her tummy and not be responsible. The fetus is attached to the mother, dependent on the mother, and any unnecessary abortion is both a medical, social and spiritual travesty, but you are at least 2 grades below me in argument skills and are unworthy of even reading.

 

[Midnight FM]

I've already closed the topic moron having proven repeatedly several ways now and times now that the fetus is a human life in every way that counts, no matter how much bullshit you bloviate. And as such, while inside the mother's body, is not really /part/ of her body, not hers to do with as she pleases anymore than I could walk up to a pregnant woman and punch her in her tummy and not be responsible. The fetus is attached to the mother, dependent on the mother, and any unnecessary abortion is both a medical, social and spiritual travesty, but you are at least 2 grades below me in argument skills and are unworthy of even reading.

The termination of a zygote, which possesses no brain or consciousness to speak of, isn't a tragedy at all.

 

[Midnight FM]

None of them are the same as this abortion on demand for any reason or for no reason at all crap we presently have.

Abortion on demand is perfectly fine. The only issue is whether or not it qualifies as a person, and, during the zygote state, when no brain or consciousness exists, but merely an amalgam of cells, I would argue that it doesn't qualify as such.

 

[Monk-Eye]

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I think they were speaking directly about elective abortions, not any of the exceptions.

Any abortion where the woman is not strapped to a table and forced into it is an elective abortion .

 

[Monk-Eye]

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I've already closed the topic moron having proven repeatedly several ways now and times now that the fetus is a human life in every way that counts, no matter how much bullshit you bloviate. And as such, while inside the mother's body, is not really /part/ of her body, not hers to do with as she pleases anymore than I could walk up to a pregnant woman and punch her in her tummy and not be responsible. The fetus is attached to the mother, dependent on the mother, and any unnecessary abortion is both a medical, social and spiritual travesty, but you are at least 2 grades below me in argument skills and are unworthy of even reading.

You are not 2 grades above anyone , being so damned stupid as to conjecture that " I could walk up to a pregnant woman and punch her in her tummy and not be responsible " .

The forte of this moniker is the constitutional basis of abortion , while this shitty thread is offered as an appeal for empathy and blubbering by abortion anti-choice nit wits .

 

[pknopp]

The termination of a zygote, which possesses no brain or consciousness to speak of, isn't a tragedy at all.

Abortions aren't happening at this point.

 

[BlindBoo]

Abortion is legal now. WTF?

A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments - The Texas Tribune

Porsha Ngumezi bled to death as she was miscarrying after her doctor opted against an emergency procedure used to end pregnancies.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Seth]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

If people are merely arguing that it is a "potential life" from the moment of conception, then preventing a potential life from coming into existence obviously isn't the same as taking a life from existence. (If that was true, then if a person only has 2 children when they have the ability to have 5 means they should be charged with 3 counts of murder, and we know that is absurd).

It’s a fascinating thing—when a woman is pregnant with a daughter, she also carries the eggs that could become her future grandchildren. For a brief time, three generations exist in the same body. That continuity makes it hard for me to see early life as just “potential”; it’s already part of a larger human story.

 

[Frankenstein]

If you really believe that why don’t you do something about it.

Trump is as close to Catholic dictator as the U.S. is gonna get but he’s in favor of keeping abortion legal for fifteen weeks. He said the six week bam in Florida was stupid . 96 % of abortions take place between six and 16 weeks.

It might be best for women in America for you to move to El Salvador so you don’t have to live with a million murderesses a year for as long as you got on this Republican Party globally warmed earth .

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You are overlooking the obvious problems, it's a human, it has a heart beat, and brainwaves way before most of your murders take place. A miscarriage being equated to abortion is ludicrous. The largest issue is we know what causes pregnancy and it can be avoided. Emotional responses are null and void such as she carries, that is the biological fact of pregnancy. Don't want to argue about abortion don't get pregnant

 

[pknopp]

You are overlooking the obvious problems, it's a human, it has a heart beat, and brainwaves way before most of your murders take place. A miscarriage being equated to abortion is ludicrous. The largest issue is we know what causes pregnancy and it can be avoided. Emotional responses are null and void such as she carries, that is the biological fact of pregnancy. Don't want to argue about abortion don't get pregnant

Not a reality.

 

[Frankenstein]

Not a reality.

It is fact screw your reality