When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Frankenstein]

The "facts" that fester in your mind do not allow you to force them on everyone else.

No one forced the woman to be pregnant

 

[Frankenstein]

Human life does begin a conception. I have never taken any exception to that. I’m pointing out that conception is a private matter going on inside of a human beings body who has certain rights to privacy. The government has no cause to interfere with a woman’s decision as to what she will do with her pregnancy because whichever decision she makes is no different than if she has a miscarriage, which is tragic for most women that have it.

Do you believe the government should invade woman’s privacy and tell her what to do with her pregnancy? That’s what it has to do with life beginning at conception. What do we the people and our government do about it?

The issue is that, the child inside of her is a separate human being, how we reproduce and who carries it is null and void based on Biology. That child's father should also have rights, as that child is half his and may develop many more of his traits than the mother are you for fathers rights and equal protection under the law. The woman's rights is a play on peoples emotions

 

[pknopp]

It's only a states right issue again now because all the rabid right wingers on the Roberts Court lied about upholding long standing precedent. The Democrats dropped the ball long ago when they decide a Courts ruling was enough. A Pro Abortion Constitutional Amendment is the only viable long term solution to the Fascist Right.

It wouldn't pass any sooner than a total ban.

 

[schmidlap]

No one forced the woman to be pregnant

Blaming a woman does not license you to dictate to her.

 

[toobfreak]

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Good analogy. Just as a father deposits his seed upon the womb of the mother, the mighty oak deposits its seed upon the womb of Mother Earth.

 

[toobfreak]

Blaming a woman does not license you to dictate to her.

Why not? With few exceptions, women do not just slip and accidentally get pregnant. You actually have to usually work hard to get pregnant. You were perfectly fine dictating the medical treatment to millions of others just a couple years ago despite their being utterly faultless, demanding they even risk their lives or be shunned from society. And you are just as eager to blame all poor and sick people forced onto food stamps (yeah, I know some of the people land there through their own actions!), dictating to them what they can and can't eat!!!

Seems to me that if you feel justified in telling others how they should eat, then you should be just cheeky with telling women to close their legs, buy a contraceptive, or pay for their own bad actions.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

If people are merely arguing that it is a "potential life" from the moment of conception, then preventing a potential life from coming into existence obviously isn't the same as taking a life from existence. (If that was true, then if a person only has 2 children when they have the ability to have 5 means they should be charged with 3 counts of murder, and we know that is absurd).

My personal opinion is that if you are pregnant, it's your body and if you want to get rid of a few "living human cells," that's on you, however, waiting until it becomes a fully formed human in the womb before aborting is cruel. Once it is fully formed, it actually has a functioning brain and it can experience pain, just as any human can.
As to when it is a human life form, once the cells start dividing, that is life and yes, human life. Once fully developed, it sure isn't going to be an elephant, giraffe, or monkey. It'll be a person.
As Bill Burr the comedian said in one of his standup routines, "if I put together the makings of a cake and put it in the oven and someone comes along five minutes later, pulls the pan out of the oven and throws it on the floor, I would ask why he destroyed my cake and if he replied, well it wasn't cake yet, I would have yelled, it would have been a cake if you let it stay in the oven."

 

[Frankenstein]

An undeveloped human being is not a developed human being.

It is still a human being, you people are just Ghoulish

 

[Frankenstein]

Blaming a woman does not license you to dictate to her.

No blame involved, nice play on emotions, she and the man agreed to engage in risky behavior. No way that should then give the woman the only say in that babies life.

 

[BlindBoo]

post birth abortion should be legal

That is a truly absurd notion that the NEO-GOP always try to use to denigrate their proclaimed mortal enemies, the Democrats.

"This lie, which sounds so insane and fringe that it’s hard to imagine anyone could believe it, was repeated by Trump at last week’s debate:

“Under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. … The governor of Virginia said, ‘We put the baby aside, and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. … In other words, we’ll execute the baby.’”

What Trump described there is murder, not abortion. The post-birth abortion lie is a deliberate attempt to equate actual abortion — which is health care — to murder, as a means to stigmatize women who need abortions and doctors who provide them."

Ali Velshi: The danger behind Donald Trump and the GOP's abortion lies

For decades, the anti-abortion movement has been inviting the violence of extremists among their ranks by equating abortion to murder.

www.msnbc.com

But because you might encounter someone in your own life who believes this dangerous lie, let’s get into the details. Though he did not say his name, Trump was referencing Ralph Northam, the former Democratic governor of Virginia. In 2019, then-Gov. Northam did a radio interview in which he was asked a question about proposed legislation that would have loosened restrictions on late-term abortions. Northam gave a long and somewhat circuitous answer that touched on the tragic circumstances surrounding the very rare cases of late-term abortions:"

 

[Frankenstein]

That is a truly absurd notion that the NEO-GOP always try to use to denigrate their proclaimed mortal enemies, the Democrats.

"This lie, which sounds so insane and fringe that it’s hard to imagine anyone could believe it, was repeated by Trump at last week’s debate:

“Under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. … The governor of Virginia said, ‘We put the baby aside, and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. … In other words, we’ll execute the baby.’”

What Trump described there is murder, not abortion. The post-birth abortion lie is a deliberate attempt to equate actual abortion — which is health care — to murder, as a means to stigmatize women who need abortions and doctors who provide them."

Ali Velshi: The danger behind Donald Trump and the GOP's abortion lies

For decades, the anti-abortion movement has been inviting the violence of extremists among their ranks by equating abortion to murder.

www.msnbc.com

But because you might encounter someone in your own life who believes this dangerous lie, let’s get into the details. Though he did not say his name, Trump was referencing Ralph Northam, the former Democratic governor of Virginia. In 2019, then-Gov. Northam did a radio interview in which he was asked a question about proposed legislation that would have loosened restrictions on late-term abortions. Northam gave a long and somewhat circuitous answer that touched on the tragic circumstances surrounding the very rare cases of late-term abortions:"

And calling that life anything but life, is simply trying to minimize the fact that you are committing murder.

 

[BlindBoo]

you are committing murder.

You need some sound effects for that Frankie! "Dun Dun DUNNNNN"

 

[Chuz Life]

Ypi ei;; [r

If you like to pretend that an acorn is an oak tree, and that a pile of acorns is a forest, you can, of course.

If someone removes your pile of acorns, don't scream deforestation. They're acorns.

If you can't convince reasonable people of your notions, don't try to intimidate them with your politicians and bureaucrats.

"Reasonable" people can understand and appreciate it when a point has been made, even if they don't fully agree with the conclusion.

A "reasonable" person doesn't dismiss biological facts by using fallacious appeals to ridicule.

A "reasonable" person can afford to accept the biological fact that a zygote is a human being that is only in the very first days of their life. . And still find other reasons for wanting to keep abortions legal.

It is your voluntary ignorance, denials and appeals to ridicule that make you unreasonable.

Were you conceived?

 

[Chuz Life]

A microscopic, mindless mass of cells is not a person, and your politicians and bureaucrats are not about to force everyone to fantasize otherwise via state coercion.

Sooo.

Were you you conceived?

Still waiting.

 

[schmidlap]

Why not? With few exceptions, women do not just slip and accidentally get pregnant. You actually have to usually work hard to get pregnant. You were perfectly fine dictating the medical treatment to millions of others just a couple years ago despite their being utterly faultless, demanding they even risk their lives or be shunned from society. And you are just as eager to blame all poor and sick people forced onto food stamps (yeah, I know some of the people land there through their own actions!), dictating to them what they can and can't eat!!!

Seems to me that if you feel justified in telling others how they should eat, then you should be just cheeky with telling women to close their legs, buy a contraceptive, or pay for their own bad actions.

Your lashing out aside, the fanatical need of some to inflict their personal notions upon everyone else by state coercion is obvious.

Decent Americans will not let it happen .

The United States is not Nicaragua, nor will it become Nicaragua.

July 24, 2025​

The latest AP-NORC poll indicates continued support for legal access to abortion in all or most cases...​

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Sixty-four percent say abortion should be legal in all (25%) or most (38%) cases, while 36% think the procedure should be banned in all (9%) or most (27%) cases...​

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Partisan differences persist on whether abortion should be lawful or not. Eighty-five percent of Democrats say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 59% of Republicans think it should be illegal in all or most cases. ​

Support for legal abortion remains strong - AP-NORC

Sixty-four percent of the public say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, down slightly from 2024, but about the same as the results from AP-NORC surveys in 2022 and 2023.

apnorc.org

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[tahuyaman]

Human life does begin a conception. I have never taken any exception to that. I’m pointing out that conception is a private matter going on inside of a human beings body who has certain rights to privacy. The government has no cause to interfere with a woman’s decision as to what she will do with her pregnancy because whichever decision she makes is no different than if she has a miscarriage, which is tragic for most women that have it.

Do you believe the government should invade woman’s privacy and tell her what to do with her pregnancy? That’s what it has to do with life beginning at conception. What do we the people and our government do about it?

I believe that the choice is whether or not to get pregnant.

 

[Chuz Life]

Your lashing out aside, the fanatical need of some to inflict their personal notions upon everyone else by state coercion is obvious.

Decent Americans will not let it happen .

The United States is not Nicaragua, nor will it become Nicaragua.

July 24, 2025​

The latest AP-NORC poll indicates continued support for legal access to abortion in all or most cases...​

​

Sixty-four percent say abortion should be legal in all (25%) or most (38%) cases, while 36% think the procedure should be banned in all (9%) or most (27%) cases...​

​

Partisan differences persist on whether abortion should be lawful or not. Eighty-five percent of Democrats say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 59% of Republicans think it should be illegal in all or most cases. ​

Support for legal abortion remains strong - AP-NORC

Sixty-four percent of the public say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, down slightly from 2024, but about the same as the results from AP-NORC surveys in 2022 and 2023.

apnorc.org

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Because we all know that letting the majority decide on when the rights of the weakest, voiceless, and most vulerable should begin is the only way to have justice on this issue!

Right?

Fascists?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Were you conceived?

Certainly not this way --

a father deposits his seed upon the womb of the mother

 

[toobfreak]

Your lashing out aside, the fanatical need of some to inflict their personal notions upon everyone else by state coercion is obvious.

As obvious as when the left tried to coerce millions into injecting their bodies with an unproven, untested mRNA vaccine drug?

The United States is not Nicaragua, nor will it become Nicaragua.

Your stupid polls aside, the issue is whether abortion is murder, and it obviously is as it takes the life of a human being. Therefore, people should be taught to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and offered abortion as the very last resort, and there needs to be set laws and limits on how abortion is used and paid for.

 

[OKTexas]

Right, but a zygote does not have a brain. I would be fine with limiting abortion up until the point a heartbeat is detected. However, many are claiming that, even prior to the development of a brain, a zygote is the equivalent of a baby, and I digress.

And both are entitled to their opinion. But don't try to pass your philosophy off as science.

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