When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Hafar1014]

Ok, how about this…Ban all abortions of convenience?

That’d take care of 95% of them.

By whose definition? A time limit is the answer then specific causes can be listed

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I went to enough public schools to be able to ask you a question that I’m pretty sure you have no ability or insight with which to answer.

What mindless mass of cells is a person according to science.. Please respond with citations

You made a claim now back it up with the basis of your claim. Shit, I probably learned how to answer a question truthfully in the third or fourth grade in a public school. Where did you go?

first off. A slave was a born human being living outside of a woman’s body with equal rights and if he’s on US soil, he has the same due process as all other human beings before being deprived of liberty or having violence committed against his person

First of all American Society has made ownership of slaves illegal. So society has the right to punish those who break the

On the other hand, the American Society has decided that safe and legal abortion is not a violation of law.

There is no comparison between the two situations not even a remotely, not even slightly

An unborn child is a human being,

Your Baby's Development: The First Trimester - familydoctor.org

From conception to delivery, your baby goes through several stages of development. The first third of your pregnancy is called the first trimester.

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Stages of development

Fetal Development: Week-by-Week Stages of Pregnancy

Fetal development is how a fetus grows during pregnancy. It begins at conception and ends at birth. Many changes occur to the fetus and the pregnant person in this time.

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Foundational timeliness for growth and development

The beginning of becoming a human - PMC

According to birth certificates, the life of a child begins once their body comes out of the mother’s womb. But when does their organismal life begin? Science holds a palette of answers—depending on how one defines a human life. In 1984, a ...

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Zygotic living organism is a human being

When Human Life Begins - American College of Pediatricians

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Human development begins at fertilization

When Does Human Life Actually Begin? PRC Mountain Grove

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When does human development begin

Scientific Community's Responses to the Question: When Does Life Begin?

1976 "At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun....

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Society has determined that abortion is not a violation of the law. This legal position is distinct from scientific fact that the unborn are biologically human.

 

[Hafar1014]

An unborn child is a human being,

Your Baby's Development: The First Trimester - familydoctor.org

From conception to delivery, your baby goes through several stages of development. The first third of your pregnancy is called the first trimester.

familydoctor.org

Stages of development

Fetal Development: Week-by-Week Stages of Pregnancy

Fetal development is how a fetus grows during pregnancy. It begins at conception and ends at birth. Many changes occur to the fetus and the pregnant person in this time.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Foundational timeliness for growth and development

The beginning of becoming a human - PMC

According to birth certificates, the life of a child begins once their body comes out of the mother’s womb. But when does their organismal life begin? Science holds a palette of answers—depending on how one defines a human life. In 1984, a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Zygotic living organism is a human being

When Human Life Begins - American College of Pediatricians

acpeds.org

Human development begins at fertilization

When Does Human Life Actually Begin? PRC Mountain Grove

Read more about When Does Human Life Actually Begin? on this post. Pregnancy Resource Center of Mountain Grove offers free pregnancy services. Contact us.

prcofmg.net

When does human development begin

Scientific Community's Responses to the Question: When Does Life Begin?

1976 "At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun....

www.usccb.org

Society has determined that abortion is not a violation of the law. This legal position is distinct from scientific fact that the unborn are biologically human.

Its always human the question is when is it a person

 

[BlindBoo]

An unborn child is a human being,

Your Baby's Development: The First Trimester - familydoctor.org

From conception to delivery, your baby goes through several stages of development. The first third of your pregnancy is called the first trimester.

familydoctor.org

Stages of development

Fetal Development: Week-by-Week Stages of Pregnancy

Fetal development is how a fetus grows during pregnancy. It begins at conception and ends at birth. Many changes occur to the fetus and the pregnant person in this time.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Foundational timeliness for growth and development

The beginning of becoming a human - PMC

According to birth certificates, the life of a child begins once their body comes out of the mother’s womb. But when does their organismal life begin? Science holds a palette of answers—depending on how one defines a human life. In 1984, a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Zygotic living organism is a human being

When Human Life Begins - American College of Pediatricians

acpeds.org

Human development begins at fertilization

When Does Human Life Actually Begin? PRC Mountain Grove

Read more about When Does Human Life Actually Begin? on this post. Pregnancy Resource Center of Mountain Grove offers free pregnancy services. Contact us.

prcofmg.net

When does human development begin

Scientific Community's Responses to the Question: When Does Life Begin?

1976 "At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun....

www.usccb.org

Society has determined that abortion is not a violation of the law. This legal position is distinct from scientific fact that the unborn are biologically human.

So what? Most every woman was born with their own private baby factory. The GOP Fascists have no constitutional right to co-opt every woman's baby factory.

 

[Hafar1014]

So what? Most every woman was born with their own private baby factory. The GOP Fascists have no constitutional right to co-opt every woman's baby factory.

Its a state rights issue and that assures that it will always be legal

 

[Frankenstein]

I'm simply not convinced that this is a baby, are you?

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Yes, DNA transfer is complete, that is a human life, separate human life.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Its always human the question is when is it a person

Scientifically, it's settled science. The only real issue is, who has the right to end this person's life? This is a legal question, not a Scientific question. Legally, the mother of the unborn person has the absolute right to terminate her pregnancy. This, of course, has,nothing to do with whether or not the fetus is a developing human being. Separate issues.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So what? Most every woman was born with their own private baby factory. The GOP Fascists have no constitutional right to co-opt every woman's baby factory.

Of course not. But that right does not change a developing human being into something else.

 

[Frankenstein]

Scientifically, it's settled science. The only real issue is, who has the right to end this person's life? This is a legal question, not a Scientific question. Legally, the mother of the unborn person has the absolute right to terminate her pregnancy. This, of course, has,nothing to do with whether or not the fetus is a developing human being. Separate issues.

I disagree, as that is a completely separate human being, it has it's own separate DNA. I know what the law says, they are wrong. Which settled science are you talking about, when talking about the baby?

 

[BlindBoo]

Of course not. But that right does not change a developing human being into something else.

There is no question that a human blastocyst is um, human, from the moment of conception to the time of it's death. It never changes into something else.

 

[Midnight FM]

There is no question that a human blastocyst is um, human, from the moment of conception to the time of it's death. It never changes into something else.

We've been over this before.

Skin cells are "human". They are "alive". They have human DNA. They are not a "human life".

 

[BlindBoo]

Its a state rights issue and that assures that it will always be legal

It's only a states right issue again now because all the rabid right wingers on the Roberts Court lied about upholding long standing precedent. The Democrats dropped the ball long ago when they decide a Courts ruling was enough. A Pro Abortion Constitutional Amendment is the only viable long term solution to the Fascist Right.

 

[schmidlap]

Which has nothing to do with the species of an unborn human,being. The artificial creation of a miniature human being is puppetry.

Is the concept of killing another human so abhorrent that you need to create a fiction to make the act acceptable? Why not just realize it's killing an independent person and move on. You're okay with it. My body my choice. It's him or me. ME!

If you can't let go of your delusion that a microscopic, mindless entity is a person, please stop trying to impose your notion upon everyone else by government coercion.

The U.S. is not Nicaragua.

Most Americans Support Legal Abortion ​

 

[BlindBoo]

We've been over this before.

Skin cells are "human". They are "alive". They have human DNA. They are not a "human life".

So you agree that their human DNA never changes into something else?

Obviously a blastocyst has not developed into a state of "Being" but at some point before birth that fetus will develop into a state of being.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's never anything else.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If you can't let go of your delusion that a microscopic, mindless entity is a person, please stop trying to impose your notion upon everyone else by government coercion.

The U.S. is not Nicaragua.

Most Americans Support Legal Abortion ​

No one is imposing facts on you. They simply are.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So you agree that their human DNA never changes into something else?

Obviously a blastocyst has not developed into a state of "Being" but at some point before birth that fetus will develop into a state of being.

Nonsense. Biologically it is a developing human being no matter what it's mental state is.

 

[schmidlap]

It's only a states right issue again now because all the rabid right wingers on the Roberts Court lied about upholding long standing precedent. The Democrats dropped the ball long ago when they decide a Courts ruling was enough. A Pro Abortion Constitutional Amendment is the only viable long term solution to the Fascist Right.

There is popular support for reproductive freedom everywhere.​

Abortion rights win elections, even in deep-red states​

 

[schmidlap]

No one is imposing facts on you. They simply are.

The "facts" that fester in your mind do not allow you to force them on everyone else.

 

[schmidlap]

Nonsense. Biologically it is a developing human being no matter what it's mental state is.

An undeveloped human being is not a developed human being.