Zone1 When I look at mama's old Bible

[EdwinAMartin]

The only time Buddhism or Hinduism become like that is when pretentious westerners pretend to follow it to be "cool", trendy and chic.... especially Hollywood socialite types and flamboyant liberals. Real Buddhism or Hinduism is nothing like that.

Whatever. They are all about the self.

 

[Lisa558]

"The really ancient stuff was "borrowed" from Sumerians."

My Faith,& Research does not accept that ding.

In Fact,.... My Faith/ Research has gone far beyond, what is taught to the gullible on Sunday, and at the Synagogues.

The "Main Stream Religions of Man, related to The Bible, are largely Corrupt.

I see. You don’t want to give the Jews credit for the Torah.

 

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"The really ancient stuff was "borrowed" from Sumerians."

My Faith,& Research does not accept that ding.

In Fact,.... My Faith/ Research has gone far beyond, what is taught to the gullible on Sunday, and at the Synagogues.

The "Main Stream Religions of Man, related to The Bible, are largely Corrupt.

I'm not interested in debating conspiracy theory. I'm just stating a well known fact. That the timing of the 1st eleven chapters was during a time when polytheism was the dominant belief of the day and land. That these accounts were borrowed from existing polytheistic accounts and modified for monotheistic beliefs which were a minority at that time. They were modified from well known accounts of that time because that's what was well known at that time.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

"The really ancient stuff was "borrowed" from Sumerians."

My Faith,& Research does not accept that ding.

In Fact,.... My Faith/ Research has gone far beyond, what is taught to the gullible on Sunday, and at the Synagogues.

The "Main Stream Religions of Man, related to The Bible, are largely Corrupt.

Just because there are some superficial resemblances, usually strained comparisons, doesn't mean it was all borrowed. There are very significant differences that set them far apart. Claiming it's stolen form the Sumerians is just for the intellectually lazy and ignorant. They are also very different from the Egyptians as well. Even basic introductory histories like Paul Johnson's point out the many differences.

Do you think the Mayans and Chinese stole their Great Flood and other stories from the Sumerians too?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I see. You don’t want to give the Jews credit for the Torah.

OF course not. That wouldn't fit the fantasy narratives they want.

 

[ding]

Just because there are some superficial resemblances, usually strained comparisons, doesn't mean it was all borrowed. There are very significant differences that set them far apart. Claiming it's stolen form the Sumerians is just for the intellectually lazy and ignorant. They are also very different from the Egyptians as well. Even basic introductory histories like Paul Johnson's point of the many differences.

Do you think the Mayans and Chinese stole their stuff from the Sumerians too?

Not stolen.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

It's complicated.

Only because Catholics are second only to Muslims in crazy Jew hate and are taught that from cradle to grave.

 

[ding]

I see. You don’t want to give the Jews credit for the Torah.

I don't mind at all.

The Torah or as Christians call it the Old Testament was written by ancient Israelites and their direct descendants, the Jewish people. The texts were compiled over a millennium by various scribes, prophets, and leaders, beginning during the era of the ancient Israelites (prior to the 6th century BCE) and continuing into the Jewish period. [1, 2, 3, 5]
Historically and culturally, the distinction between these two terms is largely chronological:

• The Israelites: Refers to the collective twelve tribes of ancient Israel and Judah who produced the earliest oral traditions, songs, and historical records. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• The Jews: Refers to the descendants of the Israelites (particularly from the Kingdom of Judah) who survived the Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE. They standardized, edited, and canonized these writings into what is now the Hebrew Bible. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Traditionally, religious texts like the Torah (the first five books) are believed to have been authored by Moses during the Exodus from Egypt, though modern scholarly consensus attributes these and other writings to multiple waves of ancient Israelite and Jewish scribes over hundreds of years.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't mind at all.

The Torah or as Christians call it the Old Testament was written by ancient Israelites and their direct descendants, the Jewish people. The texts were compiled over a millennium by various scribes, prophets, and leaders, beginning during the era of the ancient Israelites (prior to the 6th century BCE) and continuing into the Jewish period. [1, 2, 3, 5]
Historically and culturally, the distinction between these two terms is largely chronological:

• The Israelites: Refers to the collective twelve tribes of ancient Israel and Judah who produced the earliest oral traditions, songs, and historical records. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• The Jews: Refers to the descendants of the Israelites (particularly from the Kingdom of Judah) who survived the Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE. They standardized, edited, and canonized these writings into what is now the Hebrew Bible. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Traditionally, religious texts like the Torah (the first five books) are believed to have been authored by Moses during the Exodus from Egypt, though modern scholarly consensus attributes these and other writings to multiple waves of ancient Israelite and Jewish scribes over hundreds of years.

The twelve tribes of ancient Israel are from the 12 direct descendants of Jacob - all of them Jewish.

This might be your attempt to minimize the number of Jews in the world. You can’t gas us, so you pretend we’re not Jewish.

 

[ding]

Only because Catholics are second only to Muslims in crazy Jew hate and are taught that from cradle to grave.

That's laughable. Seems like you're coming at me, bro. Wouldn't you rather comment on what I wrote in post numbers 163, 166 and 168 instead?

 

[Lisa558]

Only because Catholics are second only to Muslims in crazy Jew hate and are taught that from cradle to grave.

Especially the Catholic School boys.

 

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The twelve tribes of ancient Israel are from the 12 direct descendants of Jacob - all of them Jewish.

This might be your attempt to minimize the number of Jews in the world.

I'm posting what google AI said. Is google AI trying to attempt to minimize the number of Jews in the world?

You can’t gas us, so you pretend we’re not Jewish.

You need to check yourself, sister.

 

[ding]

Especially the Catholic School boys.

Look at the hate coming from you two.

 

[ding]

This is zone 1 you guys better watch the line you're walking.

 

[Gary Seven]

Whatever. They are all about the self.

All humans have a self. You need to acknowledge your self before you get can transcend and get past your self. That's the whole idea. You have to know what you are letting go of before you let it go. Otherwise it has no sense. Some people join groups for the vanity. Some actually study teachings to learn how to actually transcend what they are and have no interest or care what others may think of it, not any need to advertise it or be recognized for it.

Even Christianity acknowledges and never denies the self. It teaches to admit the self along with the confessing the sins that go with it.

 

[ding]

Even Christianity acknowledges and never denies the self. It teaches to admit the self along with the confessing the sins that go with it.

Christianity is totally about dying to self. It's literally the only way you will see reality and find peace.

"Dying to self" is a core teaching in Christianity. It is an ongoing spiritual practice where believers set aside their own selfish desires, ego, and will to prioritize loving God and serving others. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The concept is rooted in several foundational teachings and passages: [1, 2]

• Self-Denial: Jesus commanded his followers, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me" (Matthew 16:24). [1, 2]
• The Transformation: The Apostle Paul famously described this as being "crucified with Christ," meaning the old way of living is dead, and Christ lives through the believer (Galatians 2:20). [1, 2]
• Finding True Life: Jesus taught that to save your life (living entirely for yourself) is to lose it, but losing your life for His sake leads to genuine spiritual life and fruitfulness (John 12:24). [1, 2]

Rather than meaning the loss of your personality or joy, Christian teachings emphasize that dying to self frees a person from destructive tendencies, pride, and self-centeredness, allowing them to experience God's peace and abundant life.

 

[Hafar1014]

It's complicated.

No it isnt there were no Christians alive when it was written. Whos left the Romans. Zoroastrians? Zwinglians? Maybe the Jehova's Witnesses

 

[ding]

No it isnt there were no Christians alive when it was written. Whos left the Romans. Zoroastrians? Zwinglians? Maybe the Jehova's Witnesses

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

 

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No it isnt there were no Christians alive when it was written. Whos left the Romans. Zoroastrians? Zwinglians? Maybe the Jehova's Witnesses

What do you believe the Tower of Babel is about?