When did Zionism have anything to do with religion?

[theliq]

What's up Liq, is the islamoterrorist ass licker drunk again?

Actually I already proved the following with irrefutable evidence:

1- Jews did maintain a presence for 2000 years, they kept coming back and resettling.

2- Jerusalem did have Jewish majority in 1800's.

3- Majority of Israel's citizens today are non Ashkenazi, Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews who have been living in the region for thousands of years until they had to flee the Muslim shitholes they were in, and migrate to their ancestral homeland, Israel.

True story.

W

Yes, friends of mine who have made Aliya (moved to Israel) have told me that the culture of Israel is now much more Sephardi/Mizrahi than Ashkenazi, due to demographics. Just one example: No one in Boro Park would have a Khina (a Sephardi-style engagement party) before a wedding (or even know what it is), whereas in Israel it's very popular.

Yes, so the Jews that had been living in the region for thousands of years, simply went back (having fled Arab Muslim intolerance and savagery) and joined their brethren in Israel who had already been there. That's what makes Zionism a beautiful thing.

You are a complete FOOL

Why do you want to act like a blind mullet, Steve?

Hoss,I have politely asked you previously not to speak or dialogue with me again............I will tell you in a more fervent manner to FUCK OFF and STOP any social intercourse with me.

Then stop posting on here and find another outlet for your hatred other than the Jews.

But I don't hate Jews but I do object to people threatening to Murder me......so like Hoss,you too can refrain from having dialogue with me,I find everything you say FUCKING stupid and your Ignorance has never been bettered by any one else on here.,and that's saying something.Now piss off,in North London or where ever you live, I find you SUCH A HATEFUL JEW BOY

 

[theliq]

What's up Liq, is the islamoterrorist ass licker drunk again?

Actually I already proved the following with irrefutable evidence:

1- Jews did maintain a presence for 2000 years, they kept coming back and resettling.

2- Jerusalem did have Jewish majority in 1800's.

3- Majority of Israel's citizens today are non Ashkenazi, Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews who have been living in the region for thousands of years until they had to flee the Muslim shitholes they were in, and migrate to their ancestral homeland, Israel.

True story.

As I said You Are A Fool............steve

Better than being a blind gullible fool like you

Dealing with YOU is like Dealing with a Mental Retard but so much worse because morally you are a MAGGOT

 

[Phoenall]

Even your link uses the term 'left'. ,The arabs left simply to make room for the invading arab armies who openly declared their intention to destroy the Jewish state. The arabs lost. Tough.Still, a vast number of these arabs weren't 'palestinian' in the first place. They were immigrants themselves as the UN states.

Oh dear...

Another zionazi with reading and comprehension difficulties....

..."left or were expelled from their homes."

"The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, attacks against Arab villages and fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre, 239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic; Arab evacuation orders; expulsion orders by Israeli authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes, the collapse in Palestinian leadership, and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control."

"...more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes"

Oh dear...

Let me correct it for the dipstick.

"The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, attacks against Arab villages and fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre, 239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic; Arab evacuation orders; expulsion orders by Israeli authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes, the collapse in Palestinian leadership, and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control."

"...more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes"

O Roudy,you are such a Charlatan Zionist Terrorist,your and others Bull Shit knows NO BOUNDS,your post above is merely an example of yours and others total Zionist Terrorist DELUSION.

From the early stages of Zionism to the present day Zionists have propagated the myth that the most important land-bridge in human history(PALESTINE) has been empty and destitute for 2000 years until it was later developed by Israeli Jews.(To the more educated amongst us this is such Crap as to demonstrate the complete lack of Ethics and Morality,such a statement beholds...even today)
To facilitate such disinformation,the Zionists adopted the following slogan to entice European Jewry to emigrate to Palestine,

"A Land with no people is for people with no Land"

Had the Zionist leadership admitted the existence of an indigenous people,then they would have been obliged to explain HOW they intended to DISPLACE them.To disprove this totally baseless myth,(which some of you still persist in spewing like Maggots) let me quote Ben-Gurion(the first Prime Minister of Israel) who stated as early as 1918 that "Palestine is NOT an empty country" in fact David Ben-Gurion went on to say "Palestine(Note the word PALESTINE) is not an empty country...on NO account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants"

David Ben-Gurion,often returned to this point,emphasizing that Palestinian Arabs had "the Full Right" to an independent economic,and communal life...but not political.Ben-Gurion himself ,stating that Jews in Palestine made up only 11% of the total Palestine(THERE IS THAT WORD PALESTINE AGAIN) as of 1914. It's not only that the majority of Jews in Palestine were NOT ZIONISTS(by Ben-Gurion's own admission), but they were also not even Citizens of Palestine since many had recently fled Anti-Semitic Tsarist Russia(The Pograms).

As the Ottoman census record show Palestine was widely inhabited in the late 19th and early 20th century,especially in the rural areas where agriculture was the main profession,moreover the population in the early 19th century in Palestine was 350,000,by 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs,and only 59,000 Jews(including many from the first and second Aliyah).

I will continue my prose with the facts from David Ben-Gurion and other Israeli and Jewish Scholars...........later,in addition also debunking Roudy your complete erronous analysis of the post regarding the treatment of Palestinians in your prose above ..steve

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm



You can read cant you, and accept that in 1905 in Jerusalem alone there were 40,000 Jews and only 8,000 arab muslims.

You Stupid Ignorant Bastard[/QUOTE]




Whats wrong has the nasty link just shown that you are wrong and that you need to rethink your source of information

 

[Phoenall]

What's up Liq, is the islamoterrorist ass licker drunk again?

Actually I already proved the following with irrefutable evidence:

1- Jews did maintain a presence for 2000 years, they kept coming back and resettling.

2- Jerusalem did have Jewish majority in 1800's.

3- Majority of Israel's citizens today are non Ashkenazi, Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews who have been living in the region for thousands of years until they had to flee the Muslim shitholes they were in, and migrate to their ancestral homeland, Israel.

True story.

W

Yes, so the Jews that had been living in the region for thousands of years, simply went back (having fled Arab Muslim intolerance and savagery) and joined their brethren in Israel who had already been there. That's what makes Zionism a beautiful thing.

You are a complete FOOL

Why do you want to act like a blind mullet, Steve?

Hoss,I have politely asked you previously not to speak or dialogue with me again............I will tell you in a more fervent manner to FUCK OFF and STOP any social intercourse with me.

Then stop posting on here and find another outlet for your hatred other than the Jews.

But I don't hate Jews but I do object to people threatening to Murder me......so like Hoss,you too can refrain from having dialogue with me,I find everything you say FUCKING stupid and your Ignorance has never been bettered by any one else on here.,and that's saying something.Now piss off,in North London or where ever you live, I find you SUCH A HATEFUL JEW BOY

Still digging for details and getting all upset because you don't get any. But you do hate the Jews as shown by your every post, and you can hide your hatred behind the word Zionist and Israel all you want you are still a FILTHY RACIST JEW HATING POS

See you are wrong again as I am not a Jew, but a Christian

 

[Phoenall]

What's up Liq, is the islamoterrorist ass licker drunk again?

Actually I already proved the following with irrefutable evidence:

1- Jews did maintain a presence for 2000 years, they kept coming back and resettling.

2- Jerusalem did have Jewish majority in 1800's.

3- Majority of Israel's citizens today are non Ashkenazi, Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews who have been living in the region for thousands of years until they had to flee the Muslim shitholes they were in, and migrate to their ancestral homeland, Israel.

True story.

As I said You Are A Fool............steve

Better than being a blind gullible fool like you

Dealing with YOU is like Dealing with a Mental Retard but so much worse because morally you are a MAGGOT

OH! lookkee the immature islamomoron has found a new word and he will be using it until he wears it out and has no meaning. You would know all about dealing with mental retards having to deal with yourself all day every day

 

[Penelope]

Nice cumback terrorist worshiper, did you scrap that off the back of your throat?

I wonder what this poor got so high on that is causing him to crash in public like this?

Of course, stating the truth about the Jews keeping a presence in the land for 2000 years, or that a majority of Israelis today are not of Ashkenazi descent didn't help either.

They are, of course jews change their name like the days of the week.

 

[Phoenall]

Nice cumback terrorist worshiper, did you scrap that off the back of your throat?

I wonder what this poor got so high on that is causing him to crash in public like this?

Of course, stating the truth about the Jews keeping a presence in the land for 2000 years, or that a majority of Israelis today are not of Ashkenazi descent didn't help either.

They are, of course jews change their name like the days of the week.

That would be the muslims as they have so many names so they can fiddle welfare. Many have passports in their various names so they an travel incognito to Iraq and Syria so they can kill other people. How many changed from Syrian to Jordanian to Palestinian in a short period of time ?

 

[Art__Allm]

Well now we are calling zionism extremism and comapring it to a terrorist group. Therein lies your bias.

Was Israel not founded by terrorism?
Were the leading Zionists not members of terrorist organisations?

It was reported that Ben Gurion said the following:
"Without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel".

 

[Art__Allm]

The Arabs have PLENTY of land in the M.E.;....

"Them Arabs" are not an ethnicity, there are different ethnic groups that speak the same language, Arabic.

The same with English, French, Spanish or even German speakers.

Imagine some idiot would kick out Austrians from Austria, and tell them, that there is enough German land in Germany.

Or some idiots would kick out Spaniards from Spain and tell them there is enough "Spanish land" in South America.


The same with Palestinians.

They speak an Arabic dialect (that is why they are called "Arabs", like Americans and Brits are called "Gringo" in South America), but they do not have any land except Palestine.

 

[Penelope]

The only reason the US got into the war is the Zionist told Britain ,who was doomed and losing big time, that they would bring the US in if Britain would give them Palestine. Due to Zionist WWI and WWII happened. Zionist is a religion of where they worship themselves , money and power.

 

[Art__Allm]

There were no Jews in the OT, how about that.

Correct!
The English word "Jew" did not exist before the Talmud was written.

There were Monotheists in Palestine who practices circumcision, but Herodotus did not know that they were Jews.

Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones". He also reports, however, that "the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised."[18]

( Herodotus. The History of Herodotus. ISBN 1-4165-1697-2.)

History of male circumcision - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Herodotus lived in the 5th century BCE, and he did not know anything about Jews.
He knew that there were Syrians in Palestine who practised circumcision, but he did not call them Jews.

Ergo.

There were no Jews in the 5th century BCE, the "Jewish history" was invented by crazy Monotheists who lived outside of Palestine after Romans expelled them from this Roman province.

 

[Phoenall]

Well now we are calling zionism extremism and comapring it to a terrorist group. Therein lies your bias.

Was Israel not founded by terrorism?
Were the leading Zionists not members of terrorist organisations?

It was reported that Ben Gurion said the following:
"Without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel".

Just islamonazi LIES, BLOOD LIBELS and PROPAGANDA. Israel was founded on sound political principles as far back as 1923. The Terrorists have always been arab muslims, and when Israel beat the crap out of them in 1948/1949 the arab muslims lost face and needed to do something. What you call terrorist organisations are just Jewish defence forces that went where the arab muslims were attacking unarmed Jewish women and children. Again the arab muslims lost face so started the LIES.

 

[aris2chat]

There were no Jews in the OT, how about that.

Correct!
The English word "Jew" did not exist before the Talmud was written.

There were Monotheists in Palestine who practices circumcision, but Herodotus did not know that they were Jews.

Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones". He also reports, however, that "the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised."[18]

( Herodotus. The History of Herodotus. ISBN 1-4165-1697-2.)

History of male circumcision - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Herodotus lived in the 5th century BCE, and he did not know anything about Jews.
He knew that there were Syrians in Palestine who practised circumcision, but he did not call them Jews.

Ergo.

There were no Jews in the 5th century BCE, the "Jewish history" was invented by crazy Monotheists who lived outside of Palestine after Romans expelled them from this Roman province.

Greek name for the land of the Aegean sea people, You do understand that Thermodon and Parthenius are in Turkey.

Understand what you quote.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

There were no Jews in the OT, how about that.

Correct!
The English word "Jew" did not exist before the Talmud was written.

There were Monotheists in Palestine who practices circumcision, but Herodotus did not know that they were Jews.

Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones". He also reports, however, that "the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised."[18]

( Herodotus. The History of Herodotus. ISBN 1-4165-1697-2.)

History of male circumcision - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Herodotus lived in the 5th century BCE, and he did not know anything about Jews.
He knew that there were Syrians in Palestine who practised circumcision, but he did not call them Jews.

Ergo.

There were no Jews in the 5th century BCE, the "Jewish history" was invented by crazy Monotheists who lived outside of Palestine after Romans expelled them from this Roman province.

Book of Esther, Chapter 2, verse 5: There was a certain Jew in Shushan the capital, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish.

Besides, it's just semantics. Hebrew, Israelite and Jewish all mean the same thing.

 

[SAYIT]

It seems that even the Zionist supporters are now stating that Zionism has NOTHING to do with religion... Here is what the British Zionist posted...

Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת, IPA: [t͡sijo̞ˈnut], translit.Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the reestablishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel
I am all for the establishment of homelands for displaced peoples... The Kurds for example....
However, as far as I am aware, The Kurds are not looking for a homeland that is exclusively Kurdish!!

Let's see ... the definition of Zionism you've posted certainly refers to Jews, Jewish culture, and Jewish Homeland so if Zionism has nothing to do with the religion maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with Jews.
BTW, as far as I am aware roughly 20% of Israel's CITIZENS are not Jewish. That hardly seems like a people looking for an exclusively Jewish homeland.
OP fails as an unwarranted assumption fallacy. Try again.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

...I have NO problem Jews having their own land...

And that, according to the definition of Zionism (support for the modern state of Israel) and assuming you refer to Israel as that land may qualify you as a Zionist! I guess that makes you some sort of political extremist.

 

[Phoenall]

The Arabs have PLENTY of land in the M.E.;....

"Them Arabs" are not an ethnicity, there are different ethnic groups that speak the same language, Arabic.

The same with English, French, Spanish or even German speakers.

Imagine some idiot would kick out Austrians from Austria, and tell them, that there is enough German land in Germany.

Or some idiots would kick out Spaniards from Spain and tell them there is enough "Spanish land" in South America.


The same with Palestinians.

They speak an Arabic dialect (that is why they are called "Arabs", like Americans and Brits are called "Gringo" in South America), but they do not have any land except Palestine.

Then they are not arabs are they, so destroying their own claims and yours. If they are another ethnicity or race then they have no claims to Palestine, unless they are Jews. The Americans are not a race or ethnicity just a nationality made up of many races or ethnicities.
Isnt this what you and the islamonazis are trying to do with the Jews in Israel when you demand they go back to Europe, even though many have more right to live in Israel than you do to live in America. There is very little Jewish land in the world, but a hell of a lot of arab muslim land. The problem is the muslims think that they own the world because their God said so, and told them to go out and lay claim to it all

 

[Phoenall]

The only reason the US got into the war is the Zionist told Britain ,who was doomed and losing big time, that they would bring the US in if Britain would give them Palestine. Due to Zionist WWI and WWII happened. Zionist is a religion of where they worship themselves , money and power.

UNSUBSTANTIATED RUBBISH

 

[Phoenall]

There were no Jews in the OT, how about that.

Correct!
The English word "Jew" did not exist before the Talmud was written.

There were Monotheists in Palestine who practices circumcision, but Herodotus did not know that they were Jews.

Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones". He also reports, however, that "the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised."[18]

( Herodotus. The History of Herodotus. ISBN 1-4165-1697-2.)

History of male circumcision - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Herodotus lived in the 5th century BCE, and he did not know anything about Jews.
He knew that there were Syrians in Palestine who practised circumcision, but he did not call them Jews.

Ergo.

There were no Jews in the 5th century BCE, the "Jewish history" was invented by crazy Monotheists who lived outside of Palestine after Romans expelled them from this Roman province.

How about a non partisan link to prove your fantasy claims, lets see whish source you use this time

 

[Challenger]

There were no Jews in the OT, how about that.

Correct!
The English word "Jew" did not exist before the Talmud was written.

There were Monotheists in Palestine who practices circumcision, but Herodotus did not know that they were Jews.

Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones". He also reports, however, that "the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised."[18]

( Herodotus. The History of Herodotus. ISBN 1-4165-1697-2.)

History of male circumcision - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Herodotus lived in the 5th century BCE, and he did not know anything about Jews.
He knew that there were Syrians in Palestine who practised circumcision, but he did not call them Jews.

Ergo.

There were no Jews in the 5th century BCE, the "Jewish history" was invented by crazy Monotheists who lived outside of Palestine after Romans expelled them from this Roman province.

Greek name for the land of the Aegean sea people, You do understand that Thermodon and Parthenius are in Turkey.

Understand what you quote.

Maybe you should read the quote more carefully yourself, allow me,

"Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt. Herodotus reported that circumcision is only practiced by the Egyptians, Colchians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, the 'Syrians of Palestine', and "the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians and Macrones".

The Wikipedia article is basically saying that according to Herodotus there were Syrian/Syriac cultural enclaves on the Black sea coast of Anatolia, get it now?