Zone1 What's the nuttiest allegedly Christian religion on the Planet?

[Hum Dinger]

HITLER "CLAIMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN".......that claim did not make him anything other than a left wing Fascist Socialist that hated capitalism and communism as political theories. Fascism is bisexual......it swings both ways.

This is a logical fallacy. You conclude that because some TV evangelicals abuse their stated position as Christians in order to promote SELF INTRESTS (God loves you, but send your money to my address).....does not mean that all Christians are the same and refuse to obey the gospel according to the Christ. Example: I have a certain bread of dog........it attacks an innocent person and does bodily harm without provocation, you then would have ALL DOGS of that bread put down because of how some evil man trained that innocent animal? Who then is the real hater?

There are good and righteous people in all phases of the political and religions spectrum......just as there are those who would abuse both politics and religion and weaponize them as a tool to do harm instead of the good that can be accomplished in an honorable and righteous manner.

Yet, there is a clear correlation between the evangelical population and states that support the orange satan:

Religious Landscape Study (RLS) | Pew Research Center

The Religious Landscape Study is a comprehensive survey of more than 35,000 Americans’ religious identities, beliefs and practices that’s been conducted in 2007, 2014 and 2023-24. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

Without Evangelical support, the MAGA movement would end.

 

[surada]

A lot of really old references you are using. There are many errors in Wikipedia as well. The Native Americans have DNA not from "Asia" as it should be Asia Minor. And, of course, the DNA should not be of Jews in Israel either. Why? Because Jews are descendant predominately from the Tribe of Judah. Lehi, in the Book of Mormon, was descended from the tribe of Joseph who mostly was carried away by the Assyrians a hundred and fifty years prior to Lehi leaving Jerusalem. So, the DNA effort actually predicts properly who the Native Americans and South Americans are from. Lot's of other errors as well.
Where exactly the people of the Book of Mormon age actually were in the America's is unknown. LiDar method of seeing cities and other massive communities never seen before from the air show that the archeology so far is very minimal to what is being found by this method. So, for those of you who want to believe what has been found "Settles" the issue of the Book of Mormon are just like most Democrats and Liberals today that believe all science is settled. Ignorance is bliss.

Jews from the Middle East share DNA markers with Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians.

 

[Clyde 154]

Yet, there is a clear correlation between the evangelical population and states that support the orange satan:

Religious Landscape Study (RLS) | Pew Research Center

The Religious Landscape Study is a comprehensive survey of more than 35,000 Americans’ religious identities, beliefs and practices that’s been conducted in 2007, 2014 and 2023-24. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

Without Evangelical support, the MAGA movement would end.

And? What? Are Christians not allowed to support their chosen political candidate because of what their doctrine promotes? Should Christians be banned from voting because they pay no taxes? If that was the case..........the democrat party would lose 90% of their voting base, as almost half the US population (44%) pay no federal taxes......in fact they get rebates called earned income credits (about 1/3 actually get enough earned income to offset any payroll taxes such as SS etc., . Can you spell? Spell FASCIST SOCIALISM: INCOME REDISTRIBUTION:

A Closer Look At Those Who Pay No Income Or Payroll Taxes

The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44...

www.taxpolicycenter.org

Voting for a living is what the democrat party promotes. If this is PROGRESS......call me a conservative. Why? Keynesian Economics (promoted by all leftists) simply do not work.........such a system (attempting to spend your way out of debt) caused a market adjustment (the great depression) to last for a decade.....with the only thing brining the US out of the depression (the military industrial complex created during WW2) The entirety of the 30s was ruled over by FDR with no end in sight for the supposed great depression. All during this time the government spent like drunken sailors......creating nothing but DEBT, as the unemployment rate barely moved the needle in creating more jobs.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This...

www.heritage.org

The Evil Conservatives will take away your Social Security and Make you Pay Taxes because they promote a fair tax system and attempt to rain in the run-away federal spending on Social Welfare programs, that simply don't work. In fact over 20 Trillion dollars has been spent on the supposed war on poverty over the decades, with the poverty index remaining almost static over those decades. Almost 3x the cost of all the wars in US history (6.7 Trillon total cost) has been spent on poverty.....with the democrats still holding their hat in their hand asking for "more soup please". Facts are pesky things.

Don't take my word for it simply ask Henery Morgenthau Jr. (FDR's Sec. of the Treasury) quote: "We (the administration) have tried spending money. We are spending more than we (the United States) have spent before, AND IT DOES NOT WORK.......I say after 8 years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started......AND AN ENORMOUS DEBT TO BOOT........"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cougarbear]

Jews from the Middle East share DNA markers with Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians.

So? I said that there is no way for American Indians and Hispanics in general to have Jewish DNA. Lehi was of the tribe of Joseph who was carried away by the Assyrians and became one of the 10 lost tribes. A few managed to make it back to Israel as did Lehi. But, for decades, his people were lost and lived elsewhere in foreign lands including eventually the America's.

 

[Clyde 154]

So? I said that there is no way for American Indians and Hispanics in general to have Jewish DNA. Lehi was of the tribe of Joseph who was carried away by the Assyrians and became one of the 10 lost tribes. A few managed to make it back to Israel as did Lehi. But, for decades, his people were lost and lived elsewhere in foreign lands including eventually the America's.

There is no such animal as JEWISH DNA. Religion is a choice...........not a product of birth. There are no markers for Jews, for Christians for Muslims....etc., Admixture DNA. Look it up. A DNA study might demonstrate certain concentrations according to a geographical location....but, Religion is not a DNA marker. Jews share DNA markers with a great many different cultures in the near east and even in Italy, Southern Europe....etc., Christopher Columbus was Italian by birth........who knows, perhaps he shared a DNA signature with the Jews. That's the point.....its impossible to mark faith/religion by the content of one's DNA.

The supposed Jewish DNA is mapped with the assumption there was a central geographical location for a specific gene trait........then its pattern ranges out from the supposed original central location. You can map someone's DNA to gone and back and it will still not tell you the religion/faith of the test subject.

In lay terms: This is much like someone claiming they are the world's best archer, always hitting their mark, they never miss. This is accomplished by knocking an arrow in the ready position.........sending the arrow flying toward the side of a barn, then..........rushing up to paint a big Target on the barn side with the arrow directly in the middle of the bullseye.

See? We never miss! They start out with a preconceived target....then make the research fit the preconceived target.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is no such animal as JEWISH DNA. Religion is a choice...........not a product of birth. There are no markers for Jews, for Christians for Muslims....etc., Admixture DNA. Look it up. A DNA study might demonstrate certain concentrations according to a geographical location....but, Religion is not a DNA marker. Jews share DNA markers with a great many different cultures in the near east and even in Italy, Southern Europe....etc., Christopher Columbus was Italian by birth........who knows, perhaps he shared a DNA signature with the Jews. That's the point.....its impossible to mark faith/religion by the content of one's DNA.

The supposed Jewish DNA is mapped with the assumption there was a central geographical location for a specific gene trait........then its pattern ranges out from the supposed original central location. You can map someone's DNA to gone and back and it will still not tell you the religion/faith of the test subject.

In lay terms: This is much like someone claiming they are the world's best archer, always hitting their mark, they never miss. This is accomplished by knocking an arrow in the ready position.........sending the arrow flying toward the side of a barn, then..........rushing up to paint a big Target on the barn side with the arrow directly in the middle of the bullseye.

See? We never miss! They start out with a preconceived target....then make the research fit the preconceived target.

I got to the end of the first line and I realized you know nothing about Judaism and the fact that it’s not all about religion. It’s not LDS that are bringing up the question if indigenous Americans are related to Jews from Israel. They should not be for the reasons I wrote.
Jews for the most part wandered and stuck together over the millenniums. So, those that came back to Israel in 1948 were the tribe of Judah. The ones who left in 600 BC and came back with Ezra and Nehemiah and then left in about 70 AD.

 

[presonorek]

What's the nuttiest allegedly Christian religion on the Planet?

Please give at least one paragraph as to WHY you chose as u did

Here's mine:

JWs don't believe in Hell. Well, what did Jesus die to save us from, then? Or what else would He have gone through such torture for? Please explain. The Mormons believe spirits are flying around everywhere in the universe, waiting for people to copulate (in marriage... don't know about fornication??) so as to bring those spirits into a body.. So yeh.. I don't know where they get this (although I can speculate).

The Episcopalians (founded by Henry VIII, mass murderer) are now allowing actively homosexual men to be ministers. Yikes! Whatever happened to homosexuality being a serious (mortal) sin? Or Whatever happened to Go and sin no more?

The Bible says nowhere that homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality according to the Bible is the fruit of people who have turned against God. A sin is something people are tempted to do. Very few people are tempted to commit homosexual acts.

People who commit homosexuality are called reprobates. Only reprobates engage in homosexuality. A reprobate is not a sinner. A reprobate is someone God has turned His back on and gave them a reprobate mind. Sin can be forgiven. Homosexuality is not something that requires forgiveness. Homosexuality is just an identifier of those who have hated God so long that He destroyed their mind so bad that they do things that normal people don’t even consider. Homosexuality is not a sin. I wish you Bible thumpers would read the Bible instead of listening to some redneck preacher. Homosexuality is not a sin. Nowhere in the Bible is it classified as such.

 

[Hum Dinger]

And? What? Are Christians not allowed to support their chosen political candidate because of what their doctrine promotes? Should Christians be banned from voting because they pay no taxes? If that was the case..........the democrat party would lose 90% of their voting base, as almost half the US population (44%) pay no federal taxes......in fact they get rebates called earned income credits (about 1/3 actually get enough earned income to offset any payroll taxes such as SS etc., . Can you spell? Spell FASCIST SOCIALISM: INCOME REDISTRIBUTION:

A Closer Look At Those Who Pay No Income Or Payroll Taxes

The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44...

www.taxpolicycenter.org

Voting for a living is what the democrat party promotes. If this is PROGRESS......call me a conservative. Why? Keynesian Economics (promoted by all leftists) simply do not work.........such a system (attempting to spend your way out of debt) caused a market adjustment (the great depression) to last for a decade.....with the only thing brining the US out of the depression (the military industrial complex created during WW2) The entirety of the 30s was ruled over by FDR with no end in sight for the supposed great depression. All during this time the government spent like drunken sailors......creating nothing but DEBT, as the unemployment rate barely moved the needle in creating more jobs.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This...

www.heritage.org

The Evil Conservatives will take away your Social Security and Make you Pay Taxes because they promote a fair tax system and attempt to rain in the run-away federal spending on Social Welfare programs, that simply don't work. In fact over 20 Trillion dollars has been spent on the supposed war on poverty over the decades, with the poverty index remaining almost static over those decades. Almost 3x the cost of all the wars in US history (6.7 Trillon total cost) has been spent on poverty.....with the democrats still holding their hat in their hand asking for "more soup please". Facts are pesky things.

Don't take my word for it simply ask Henery Morgenthau Jr. (FDR's Sec. of the Treasury) quote: "We (the administration) have tried spending money. We are spending more than we (the United States) have spent before, AND IT DOES NOT WORK.......I say after 8 years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started......AND AN ENORMOUS DEBT TO BOOT........"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wow, looks like I hit a nerve!

Nobody ever said that Christians don't pay taxes, dumbo.

40% of Americans don't pay taxes because they are grossly under paid. If their employers would pay them a living wage, they would have to pay taxes. They are already impoverished. You can't squeeze blood out of a rock.

'Voting for a living'? You are delusional. PERIOD.

The FDR administration was stopped from more than minor deficit spending by the Republican congress. It wasn't until WWII that there was huge deficit spending...and that cause the economy to boom like never before in history.

Keynesian economics is based on the idea that the government should go into debt when the economy is bad, but that once the economy is doing well, they should collect taxes and pay down the debt. The Republicans always forget the second half, which is why the debt is never paid off. They'd rather give tax breaks to the super wealthy than pay down the debt. They also never have a problem when a Republican administration runs a huge deficit. They only ***** about deficits when there's a Democratic administration. So stop your whining.

If you want a fair tax system, you'd support increasing taxes on the wealthy. The Government is the source of all currency. In our economy all money trickles up to the wealthiest 0.01%. They should be returning the money to the government, but instead they'd rather invest in China and screw American workers.

 

[onefour1]

The Bible says nowhere that homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality according to the Bible is the fruit of people who have turned against God. A sin is something people are tempted to do. Very few people are tempted to commit homosexual acts.

People who commit homosexuality are called reprobates. Only reprobates engage in homosexuality. A reprobate is not a sinner. A reprobate is someone God has turned His back on and gave them a reprobate mind. Sin can be forgiven. Homosexuality is not something that requires forgiveness. Homosexuality is just an identifier of those who have hated God so long that He destroyed their mind so bad that they do things that normal people don’t even consider. Homosexuality is not a sin. I wish you Bible thumpers would read the Bible instead of listening to some redneck preacher. Homosexuality is not a sin. Nowhere in the Bible is it classified as such.

It is worse than most sins, it is called abomination. It was a sin that was worthy of the death penalty.

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

[presonorek]

Romans 1:26

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:

God turned them into reprobates because of their error to reject God. It isn’t a sin. Being homosexual is a punishment imposed by God. You can’t repent from homosexuality. You can repent from stealing, adultery, murder, and awful sins. There is no repentance from homosexuality. I know why people want to pray the gay away but it isn’t consistent with the Bible.

 

[presonorek]

It is worse than most sins, it is called abomination. It was a sin that was worthy of the death penalty.

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

It’s not a sin but you are mostly Correct.

 

[LuckyDuck]

What's the nuttiest allegedly Christian religion on the Planet?

Please give at least one paragraph as to WHY you chose as u did

Here's mine:

JWs don't believe in Hell. Well, what did Jesus die to save us from, then? Or what else would He have gone through such torture for? Please explain. The Mormons believe spirits are flying around everywhere in the universe, waiting for people to copulate (in marriage... don't know about fornication??) so as to bring those spirits into a body.. So yeh.. I don't know where they get this (although I can speculate).

The Episcopalians (founded by Henry VIII, mass murderer) are now allowing actively homosexual men to be ministers. Yikes! Whatever happened to homosexuality being a serious (mortal) sin? Or Whatever happened to Go and sin no more?

Scientology.
On a separate note, the most violent would be, Islam. All the Abrahamic religions suck, but Islam is the worst of the lot.

 

[onefour1]

God turned them into reprobates because of their error to reject God. It isn’t a sin. Being homosexual is a punishment imposed by God. You can’t repent from homosexuality. You can repent from stealing, adultery, murder, and awful sins. There is no repentance from homosexuality. I know why people want to pray the gay away but it isn’t consistent with the Bible.

God did not turn them into reprobates. God through giving them free will to choose their own fate, allowed them the free agency to reject him or accept him. By letting them choose for themselves is how God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. Because of their free will to rebel against God, God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. You definitely can repent of homosexuality. Homosexuality is definitely a sin of a more serious nature called abomination. There is only one sin that is not forgiven. That is the sin against the Holy Ghost or the unpardonable sin. Homosexuality is a forgivable sin if one only repents and changes his/her ways.

 

[onefour1]

It’s not a sin but you are mostly Correct.

It is of the highest order of sins. It is hated and abhorred by God. For this reason it is called abomination. To keep this sin out of the society of Israel, God commanded that it be punishable by death. God disdained this sin so much so that he literally destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that practiced it. It is a very detestable sin and ranks quite high among those sins that are considered abominations.

 

[presonorek]

It is of the highest order of sins. It is hated and abhorred by God. For this reason it is called abomination. To keep this sin out of the society of Israel, God commanded that it be punishable by death. God disdained this sin so much so that he literally destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that practiced it. It is a very detestable sin and ranks quite high among those sins that are considered abominations.

You are a 21st Century American. The Greeks practiced homosexuality and the Romans wanted to set themselves apart as different than the Greeks.

In the United States homosexuality is considered a lifestyle choice. Yet we don’t classify stealing, murdering, or adultery to enjoy that kind of status. So it makes sense that you want it to be a sin and why the Romans wanted to believe it was evidence of a substandard human. I’m not saying you should accept the Bible is true. I’m just saying it should be represented accurately. Homosexuality is not a sin. It is a punishment.

 

[Blaster]

The Jonestown massacre and how 918 people followed a cult leader to Guyana and died in a single day

Believers of the Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ followed Reverend Jim Jones to Guyana in the Seventies, hoping to create a utopia in the jungle

www.independent.co.uk

 

[surada]

And? What? Are Christians not allowed to support their chosen political candidate because of what their doctrine promotes? Should Christians be banned from voting because they pay no taxes? If that was the case..........the democrat party would lose 90% of their voting base, as almost half the US population (44%) pay no federal taxes......in fact they get rebates called earned income credits (about 1/3 actually get enough earned income to offset any payroll taxes such as SS etc., . Can you spell? Spell FASCIST SOCIALISM: INCOME REDISTRIBUTION:

A Closer Look At Those Who Pay No Income Or Payroll Taxes

The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44...

www.taxpolicycenter.org

Voting for a living is what the democrat party promotes. If this is PROGRESS......call me a conservative. Why? Keynesian Economics (promoted by all leftists) simply do not work.........such a system (attempting to spend your way out of debt) caused a market adjustment (the great depression) to last for a decade.....with the only thing brining the US out of the depression (the military industrial complex created during WW2) The entirety of the 30s was ruled over by FDR with no end in sight for the supposed great depression. All during this time the government spent like drunken sailors......creating nothing but DEBT, as the unemployment rate barely moved the needle in creating more jobs.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This...

www.heritage.org

The Evil Conservatives will take away your Social Security and Make you Pay Taxes because they promote a fair tax system and attempt to rain in the run-away federal spending on Social Welfare programs, that simply don't work. In fact over 20 Trillion dollars has been spent on the supposed war on poverty over the decades, with the poverty index remaining almost static over those decades. Almost 3x the cost of all the wars in US history (6.7 Trillon total cost) has been spent on poverty.....with the democrats still holding their hat in their hand asking for "more soup please". Facts are pesky things.

Don't take my word for it simply ask Henery Morgenthau Jr. (FDR's Sec. of the Treasury) quote: "We (the administration) have tried spending money. We are spending more than we (the United States) have spent before, AND IT DOES NOT WORK.......I say after 8 years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started......AND AN ENORMOUS DEBT TO BOOT........"

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Both Hitler and Mussolini rejected socialism and embraced hard right conservative Fascism.

 

[surada]

It is of the highest order of sins. It is hated and abhorred by God. For this reason it is called abomination. To keep this sin out of the society of Israel, God commanded that it be punishable by death. God disdained this sin so much so that he literally destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that practiced it. It is a very detestable sin and ranks quite high among those sins that are considered abominations.

There was no Sodom and Gomorrah in the time of Abraham. The sin in the story is sexual violence and treatment of strangers.

BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

Jessica Cecil explores the legend of sodom and Gamorrah.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BackAgain]

What's the nuttiest allegedly Christian religion on the Planet?​

Very ignorant question.

Christianity itself is the religion. Most of the various faiths listed in the poll question are simply kinds of Christian-based faiths and denominations.

 

[onefour1]

There was no Sodom and Gomorrah in the time of Abraham. The sin in the story is sexual violence and treatment of strangers.

BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

Jessica Cecil explores the legend of sodom and Gamorrah.

www.bbc.co.uk

So, it is your opinion that Genesis 18 and 19 is a lie? Of course Sodom and Gomorrah existed during the days of Abraham. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality and it has survived until today and is still named after the city of Sodom, i.e. Sodomy.

Sodomy