What's the most important thing government does?

[task0778]

Nope. To make and enforce laws via the Constitution, not merely what people want.

People decide what is in the Constitution, and how it is interpreted. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

This is nonsense, the SCOTUS unilaterally interprets the Constitution, not the people.

So your position is that Neil Gorsuch has no business interpreting the Constitution because he wasn't put there by the People?

funny

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

 

[NYcarbineer]

People decide what is in the Constitution, and how it is interpreted. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

This is nonsense, the SCOTUS unilaterally interprets the Constitution, not the people.

So your position is that Neil Gorsuch has no business interpreting the Constitution because he wasn't put there by the People?

funny

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

Have you forgotten that when the People choose to governed under a constitution, that offers certain rules and protections, determined by judicial review,

that not every individual needs to pass the muster of what conservatives otherwise love to call 'mob rule'?

 

[rightwinger]

Government does things collectively that don't make sense individually

Schools, infrastructure, security, legal system, public health

Which of these would you consider the most important? What criteria would you use to decide which collective actions should be on the list, and which shouldn't?

Surprisingly......the most important thing on that list. More important than the military, more important than schools and roads........is public health

We the People make the list

 

[LuckyDuck]

Keep the buses running, and stay out of people's lives.

garbage collection (also -----where appropriate----snow removal)

These are more important than keeping bad guys from robbing, raping, or killing you?

You're on your own there. Police agencies are essentially clean-up crews, and frankly have no obligation to protect individuals.

I've heard individuals claim that the police have no obligation to protect individuals before. It's nonsense. State, county and city laws (as well as federal laws) are in place that mandate law enforcement to take action against crimes, whether those crimes were completed, in progress or, being prepared to be committed. If an informant tells law enforcement that there is a bank robbery going to take place at a certain location on a specific day, that law enforcement prepares to act.
If there has been previous riots, when the opposing factions gather in the streets, they are there to intercede. If a spouse goes around trying to find someone to kill their spouse and law enforcement is informed, they arrange a sting operation to catch the spouse in the act of hiring someone to kill the spouse and thus "protect" the intended victim.

 

[task0778]

This is nonsense, the SCOTUS unilaterally interprets the Constitution, not the people.

So your position is that Neil Gorsuch has no business interpreting the Constitution because he wasn't put there by the People?

funny

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

Have you forgotten that when the People choose to governed under a constitution, that offers certain rules and protections, determined by judicial review,

that not every individual needs to pass the muster of what conservatives otherwise love to call 'mob rule'?

Sorry, not sure what your point is here. But you appear to be contradicting yourself a little bit, first you say the people decide what's in the Constitution (which is clearly wrong) and they also interpret what it means (also wrong). The fact that those judges are appointed by the President with the consent of the Senate does not mean any of those judges are going to do what the People want them to do. And then you say not every judge has to follow the dictat of the majority; seems to be a disconnect here.

 

[rightwinger]

So your position is that Neil Gorsuch has no business interpreting the Constitution because he wasn't put there by the People?

funny

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

Have you forgotten that when the People choose to governed under a constitution, that offers certain rules and protections, determined by judicial review,

that not every individual needs to pass the muster of what conservatives otherwise love to call 'mob rule'?

Sorry, not sure what your point is here. But you appear to be contradicting yourself a little bit, first you say the people decide what's in the Constitution (which is clearly wrong) and they also interpret what it means (also wrong). The fact that those judges are appointed by the President with the consent of the Senate does not mean any of those judges are going to do what the People want them to do. And then you say not every judge has to follow the dictat of the majority; seems to be a disconnect here.

A primary responsibility of the courts is to protect the rights of the minority

 

[Missouri_Mike]

security and infrastructure.
State govt is a different story

Yep, are we talking the fed gov? They should only be doing about three things.

 

[ScienceRocks]

1. Defense
2. Maintain a currency
3. Invest in the infrastructure, science, and the health of the nation.
4. Regulate the economy
5. provide services to the people.

Government does a lot of things...Only a third world country that can't you will find otherwise.

 

[ScienceRocks]

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

Have you forgotten that when the People choose to governed under a constitution, that offers certain rules and protections, determined by judicial review,

that not every individual needs to pass the muster of what conservatives otherwise love to call 'mob rule'?

Sorry, not sure what your point is here. But you appear to be contradicting yourself a little bit, first you say the people decide what's in the Constitution (which is clearly wrong) and they also interpret what it means (also wrong). The fact that those judges are appointed by the President with the consent of the Senate does not mean any of those judges are going to do what the People want them to do. And then you say not every judge has to follow the dictat of the majority; seems to be a disconnect here.

A primary responsibility of the courts is to protect the rights of the minority

Protect the poor and the people that can't.

 

[imawhosure]

What would you say is the core purpose of government? Why do we need it? What part of it could we not do without?

I'm not trying to say (here at least) that government should be limited to this core purpose. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of how others see the role of government in society.

Government exists to make and enforce the laws that the People want.

Nope. To make and enforce laws via the Constitution, not merely what people want.

People decide what is in the Constitution, and how it is interpreted. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

The states decided when the ratified it. The People have the power to amend the Constitution, but they don't have the power to simply ignore it. or to blithely pretend it means something else.

But I'm not really interested in how we interpret the Constitution. I'm more interested in what you think the purpose of government is. It's sounds like you're saying the government is there to do whatever "The People" - by which I assume you actually mean a majority of the people - want it to do.

Let me try again. The purpose of government, if you believe in democratic government, is to reflect the will of the People.


Whatever that might be

Now you see, New York Care Bear just stepped in it, lol!

How?

Because the will of the people and their representatives, is to enforce border control and, deport those that are breaking the law by crossing the border illegally!

How do we know this?

Because IF the majority of the people believed in the lefty position on this matter, the left would introduce a change to the law in congress, and everyone standing against it (or most) would be voted out of office when their re-election came due. Instead, they make EXCUSES (notice I said EXCUSES and NOT reasons) for their blatant attitude towards the law, and won't even try to change it! (because they know that it would be THEY who would then be voted out of office) They will not follow the law, nor will they even make an attempt to change the law, just scream how moral they are for breaking it. In other words------>they do NOT believe in the constitution, nor do they believe in the bill of rights or the supremacy clause. In essence, they will DENY you YOUR rights to have it their way, with not even a half hearted attempt to even see if they can change it. They know that they are in a small minority, but try and convince you, they are the vast majority! (they are so phony, and dumb to even think they can pull that lie off)

This is the essence of the phony-baloney left. They prattle about how the South was, and yet attempt to do the same thing they did. The South attempted to keep slaves when America decided to free them. The left has decided to keep YOU a SLAVE to funding people you have no responsibility to, as they are not American citizens. Care Bear and his friends are DISCRIMINATORS! They want anyone who pays taxes to fund illegality, and they support the ILLEGALITY they want you to fund! They are the new South!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Government exists to make and enforce the laws that the People want.

Nope. To make and enforce laws via the Constitution, not merely what people want.

People decide what is in the Constitution, and how it is interpreted. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

The states decided when the ratified it. The People have the power to amend the Constitution, but they don't have the power to simply ignore it. or to blithely pretend it means something else.

But I'm not really interested in how we interpret the Constitution. I'm more interested in what you think the purpose of government is. It's sounds like you're saying the government is there to do whatever "The People" - by which I assume you actually mean a majority of the people - want it to do.

Let me try again. The purpose of government, if you believe in democratic government, is to reflect the will of the People.


Whatever that might be

Now you see, New York Care Bear just stepped in it, lol!

How?

Because the will of the people and their representatives, is to enforce border control and, deport those that are breaking the law by crossing the border illegally!

How do we know this?

Because IF the majority of the people believed in the lefty position on this matter, the left would introduce a change to the law in congress, and everyone standing against it (or most) would be voted out of office when their re-election came due. Instead, they make EXCUSES (notice I said EXCUSES and NOT reasons) for their blatant attitude towards the law, and won't even try to change it! (because they know that it would be THEY who would then be voted out of office) They will not follow the law, nor will they even make an attempt to change the law, just scream how moral they are for breaking it. In other words------>they do NOT believe in the constitution, nor do they believe in the bill of rights or the supremacy clause. In essence, they will DENY you YOUR rights to have it their way, with not even a half hearted attempt to even see if they can change it. They know that they are in a small minority, but try and convince you, they are the vast majority! (they are so phony, and dumb to even think they can pull that lie off)

This is the essence of the phony-baloney left. They prattle about how the South was, and yet attempt to do the same thing they did. The South attempted to keep slaves when America decided to free them. The left has decided to keep YOU a SLAVE to funding people you have no responsibility to, as they are not American citizens. Care Bear and his friends are DISCRIMINATORS! They want anyone who pays taxes to fund illegality, and they support the ILLEGALITY they want you to fund! They are the new South!

What?

lol

If the purpose of democratic government is NOT to reflect the will of the People,

whose will is it supposed to reflect?

 

[rightwinger]

Government exists to make and enforce the laws that the People want.

Nope. To make and enforce laws via the Constitution, not merely what people want.

People decide what is in the Constitution, and how it is interpreted. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

The states decided when the ratified it. The People have the power to amend the Constitution, but they don't have the power to simply ignore it. or to blithely pretend it means something else.

But I'm not really interested in how we interpret the Constitution. I'm more interested in what you think the purpose of government is. It's sounds like you're saying the government is there to do whatever "The People" - by which I assume you actually mean a majority of the people - want it to do.

Let me try again. The purpose of government, if you believe in democratic government, is to reflect the will of the People.


Whatever that might be

Now you see, New York Care Bear just stepped in it, lol!

How?

Because the will of the people and their representatives, is to enforce border control and, deport those that are breaking the law by crossing the border illegally!

How do we know this?

Because IF the majority of the people believed in the lefty position on this matter, the left would introduce a change to the law in congress, and everyone standing against it (or most) would be voted out of office when their re-election came due. Instead, they make EXCUSES (notice I said EXCUSES and NOT reasons) for their blatant attitude towards the law, and won't even try to change it! (because they know that it would be THEY who would then be voted out of office) They will not follow the law, nor will they even make an attempt to change the law, just scream how moral they are for breaking it. In other words------>they do NOT believe in the constitution, nor do they believe in the bill of rights or the supremacy clause. In essence, they will DENY you YOUR rights to have it their way, with not even a half hearted attempt to even see if they can change it. They know that they are in a small minority, but try and convince you, they are the vast majority! (they are so phony, and dumb to even think they can pull that lie off)

This is the essence of the phony-baloney left. They prattle about how the South was, and yet attempt to do the same thing they did. The South attempted to keep slaves when America decided to free them. The left has decided to keep YOU a SLAVE to funding people you have no responsibility to, as they are not American citizens. Care Bear and his friends are DISCRIMINATORS! They want anyone who pays taxes to fund illegality, and they support the ILLEGALITY they want you to fund! They are the new South!

What a drama queen

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Keep the buses running, and stay out of people's lives.

garbage collection (also -----where appropriate----snow removal)

These are more important than keeping bad guys from robbing, raping, or killing you?

You're on your own there. Police agencies are essentially clean-up crews, and frankly have no obligation to protect individuals.

I've heard individuals claim that the police have no obligation to protect individuals before. It's nonsense. State, county and city laws (as well as federal laws) are in place that mandate law enforcement to take action against crimes, whether those crimes were completed, in progress or, being prepared to be committed. If an informant tells law enforcement that there is a bank robbery going to take place at a certain location on a specific day, that law enforcement prepares to act.
If there has been previous riots, when the opposing factions gather in the streets, they are there to intercede. If a spouse goes around trying to find someone to kill their spouse and law enforcement is informed, they arrange a sting operation to catch the spouse in the act of hiring someone to kill the spouse and thus "protect" the intended victim.

It was even in the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...ve-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?_r=0

 

[NYcarbineer]

So your position is that Neil Gorsuch has no business interpreting the Constitution because he wasn't put there by the People?

funny

None of the SCOTUS judges were voted on by the people, they are all unelected. They do not or should not be deciding what's in the Constitution or interpreting it based on what they think the people want.

Judges are appointed by elected individuals whose election delegates them the power to appoint judges.

And thereafter the judges do as they damn please. Some are activists who support their own ideologies/parties and some interpret the Constitution without regard to politics. But once appointed and confirmed, judges don't have to do what is popular. Clearly in many cases they don't, otherwise the ACA would be a distant memory.

Have you forgotten that when the People choose to governed under a constitution, that offers certain rules and protections, determined by judicial review,

that not every individual needs to pass the muster of what conservatives otherwise love to call 'mob rule'?

Sorry, not sure what your point is here. But you appear to be contradicting yourself a little bit, first you say the people decide what's in the Constitution (which is clearly wrong) and they also interpret what it means (also wrong). The fact that those judges are appointed by the President with the consent of the Senate does not mean any of those judges are going to do what the People want them to do. And then you say not every judge has to follow the dictat of the majority; seems to be a disconnect here.

I anticipated you would say that. The Courts exist because the People want them to exist.

 

[dblack]

A primary responsibility of the courts is to protect the rights of the minority

If only you really believed this....

 

[rightwinger]

A primary responsibility of the courts is to protect the rights of the minority

If only you really believed this....

Tell it to blacks, gays, women.......

 

[dblack]

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Wow. That's a stretch

Spinning the will of the people into brown shirts

The will of your Fuhrer is not the "will of the people," little Brownshirt.

Thugs ALWAYS invoke "the people" to justify your atrocities. You of the Soros Reich are nothing new.

The "Will of the People" actually stands in opposition to majority rule. The will of the people implies the will of ALL the people, not just 51%.

 

[dblack]

A primary responsibility of the courts is to protect the rights of the minority

If only you really believed this....

Tell it to blacks, gays, women.......

I don't need to. They understand, personally and painfully, what it's like to fall outside the concerns of majority rule.

 

[rightwinger]

Government does things collectively that don't make sense individually

Schools, infrastructure, security, legal system, public health

Which of these would you consider the most important? What criteria would you use to decide which collective actions should be on the list, and which shouldn't?

Surprisingly......the most important thing on that list. More important than the military, more important than schools and roads........is public health

We the People make the list

History has shown that public health is the most important responsibility of government
Before government got involved in sanitation, water supplies, sewage systems, garbage removal millions of people died in plagues, from disease, from infestations of vermin and Mosquitos

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Government does things collectively that don't make sense individually

Schools, infrastructure, security, legal system, public health

Which of these would you consider the most important? What criteria would you use to decide which collective actions should be on the list, and which shouldn't?

Surprisingly......the most important thing on that list. More important than the military, more important than schools and roads........is public health

We the People make the list

History has shown that public health is the most important responsibility of government

Is that why there are legally sanctioned piles of poo all over the San Francisco area?