What's a 'Zionist'?

[varelse]

Anti- against; opposed to; opposing

Semite-a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

-ism - a suffix appearing in loanwords from Greek, where it was used to form action nouns from verbs ( baptism ); on this model, used as a productive suffix in the formation of nouns denoting action or practice, state or condition, principles, doctrines, a usage or characteristic, devotion or adherence, etc. ( criticism; barbarism; Darwinism; despotism; plagiarism; realism; witticism; intellectualism ).


But I strongly respect you are 1 of those dishonest individuals who will attempt to conflict of the term with both antizionism and antijudaism

Almost in every anti-Zionist, you will find a Jew hater.

ALMOST. in 90% of the cases.

That might have something to do with the fact that Zionism is the implementation of core Jewish religious teachings, and the overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists. Reefer to the conquest of Canaan, the status of the jews as the chosen people, and talmudic teachings- this is why Jews have historically always come into conflict with host societies: their principal relief place them in conflict with any
Neighboring or intermixed population not of semitic descent and Jewish faith

 

[Lipush]

'antisemite' means anti-Jewish. No, it means anti semite
Against Semites, Many Arabs are semites

And relatively few religious Jews are. Anti semetism and anti judiaism are 2 very different things; the first is racial in nature, while the laughter is a projection to a religion, its practices, or its implementation for any given reason

And what's this with "religious Jews"? why you stick so much to "religious Jews"? What difference does it make if a Jew is religious or secular?

 

[Lipush]

Anti- against; opposed to; opposing

Semite-a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

-ism - a suffix appearing in loanwords from Greek, where it was used to form action nouns from verbs ( baptism ); on this model, used as a productive suffix in the formation of nouns denoting action or practice, state or condition, principles, doctrines, a usage or characteristic, devotion or adherence, etc. ( criticism; barbarism; Darwinism; despotism; plagiarism; realism; witticism; intellectualism ).


But I strongly respect you are 1 of those dishonest individuals who will attempt to conflict of the term with both antizionism and antijudaism

Almost in every anti-Zionist, you will find a Jew hater.

ALMOST. in 90% of the cases.

That might have something to do with the fact that Zionism is the implementation of course Jewish religious teachings, and the overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists. Reefer to the conquest of Canaan, the status of the jews as the chosen people, and how much teaching

The claim that Jews are "chosen people" is stated more by haters than Jews.

We don't say we are "chosen" in any conversation, or use it in ANY political debate.

Haters use the claim of "chosen" to make US believe WE believe we'ere better then others.

Truthfully, hearing or seeing people use that claim, is nothing but laughable to Jews. Clearly people don't get the everyday Jewish thinking, when using that.

 

[Jos]

Many Jew haters cover up their hate by claiming that they simply oppose the Israeli politices. Calling themselves Anti-Zionists.

Opposing Israeli policies is more than ok. Once you descover what's really underneath, is when you lose ground.

Surely you can see my point here.

If a person was born into a Mafia family, then they would support the Mafia, or no longer be part of the family
You were born in israel, we understand your present position

 

[varelse]

Let me guess, you think judiaism is a race

The Invention of the Jewish People

I believe Anti-Semites believe Judaism is a race.

Most Jews do and they propagate such a myth as a core part of their identity and ideology. there in tire identity and justification for their actions is based upon their claim of descent from 2 tribes and their gods assurance of racial superiority

 

[CandySlice]

the way i see it.... all it means is you don't follow muslim demands and rhetoric. Anyone who speaks out and does not lock step with those who would destroy Israel .


just look at who uses it as insult.... should give you a clue.

Islamo-trash.

 

[varelse]

'antisemite' means anti-Jewish. No, it means anti semite
Against Semites, Many Arabs are semites

And relatively few religious Jews are. Anti semetism and anti judiaism are 2 very different things; the first is racial in nature, while the laughter is a projection to a religion, its practices, or its implementation for any given reason

And what's this with "religious Jews"? why you stick so much to "religious Jews"? What difference does it make if a Jew is religious or secular?

Technically, there can be no such thing as a secular Jew, just as there can be no secular Moslem or secular Catholic- judiaism is a religion, after all

Religious Jew then distinguish you from the common useof this religious term in reference to an imagined race or ethnicity

 

[Lipush]

Many Jew haters cover up their hate by claiming that they simply oppose the Israeli politices. Calling themselves Anti-Zionists.

Opposing Israeli policies is more than ok. Once you descover what's really underneath, is when you lose ground.

Surely you can see my point here.

If a person was born into a Mafia family, then they would support the Mafia, or no longer be part of the family
You were born in israel, we understand your present position

I was not born in Israel.

Here goes your theory flying of the window.

Hey, your statement will probably mean that someone born to Hamas will without a doubt support Hamas.

Right?

Musab Hasan Yusuf. His book is an eye opener, really.

 

[Lipush]

And relatively few religious Jews are. Anti semetism and anti judiaism are 2 very different things; the first is racial in nature, while the laughter is a projection to a religion, its practices, or its implementation for any given reason

And what's this with "religious Jews"? why you stick so much to "religious Jews"? What difference does it make if a Jew is religious or secular?

Technically, there can be no such thing as a secular Jew, just as there can be no secular Moslem or secular Catholic- judiaism is a religion, after all

Religious Jew then distinguish you from the common useof this religious term in reference to an imagined race or ethnicity

There is no such thing as a secular Jew?

WOW. I am always amazed at just how little non-Jews who feel they know a lot about Jews, actually know.

Judaism is nationality; the nation which ascents from the Israelite tribe of Judea. the RELIGION of Judaism is only an ASPECT of the Jewish NATION. the other aspects are history, culture, location, etc.

A Jew is a Jew if he is born to a Jewish mother. Only LATER they said that one can become a Jew by conversion. but the *definition* of a Jew, is if your mother is, or was, one.

A Jew can be a Jew when being secular or atheist. Many Jews don't feel any connection to religion. That doesn't mean they're not considered Jews.

 

[varelse]

Lipush, I think you and I could actually have a conversation- we mostly seem to be handling all over semantics. Several others, however, seems to be just plain trolling

 

[varelse]

Judiaism is a religion which became conflated with an idea of a race. this racial identity what then adopted as a nationality in order to avoid creating such a nationality as Israeli- there by a suring that Arabs can never call themselves Israelis and enabling apartheid in modern Israel

 

[varelse]

It's like getting rid of American and saying your nationality is white black or Hispanic

 

[abu afak]

To Both Israel supporters and Israel/Jew haters...

Jews, ARE a Race or at very least, and again by Definition, an ETHNO-religious group.
Jew's persecution in the last century has been as a Race, not belief system.

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
PNAS/Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

"... A series of analyses was performed to address Whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population OR from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.

Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.

Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively Isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
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Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.

Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors.
First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. Our results are consistent with other studies of Ethiopian Jews based on a variety of markers (16, 23, 46). However, as in other studies where Ethiopian Jews exhibited markers that are characteristic of both African and Middle Eastern populations, they had Y-chromosome haplotypes (e.g., haplotypes Med and YAP+4S) that were common in other Jewish populations.

Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
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Middle Eastern Affinities.

A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."
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[varelse]

Schlomo sand addresses all those claims- including the fact that what ethnic tires can be found do not link to the old semitic tribes, but mostly to khazars and other converts

 

[Lipush]

Judiaism is a religion which became conflated with an idea of a race. this racial identity what then adopted as a nationality in order to avoid creating such a nationality as Israeli- there by a suring that Arabs can never call themselves Israelis and enabling apartheid in modern Israel

Judaism is surely not a race. If it was, it would not have allowed conversion.

There are Israeli Arabs, and there have been Arabs who have converted to Judaism, therefore I don't see your point.

Telling Israel is an aparthied, is at the understatement, not accurate.

 

[Lipush]

To Both Israel supporters and Israel/Jew haters...

Jews, ARE a Race or at very least, and again by Definition, an ETHNO-religious group.
Jew's persecution in the last century has been as a Race, not belief system.

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
PNAS/Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

"... A series of analyses was performed to address Whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population OR from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.

Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.

Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively Isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
[....]
Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.

Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors.
First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. Our results are consistent with other studies of Ethiopian Jews based on a variety of markers (16, 23, 46). However, as in other studies where Ethiopian Jews exhibited markers that are characteristic of both African and Middle Eastern populations, they had Y-chromosome haplotypes (e.g., haplotypes Med and YAP+4S) that were common in other Jewish populations.

Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
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Middle Eastern Affinities.

A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."
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You left me confused.

 

[Lipush]

It's like getting rid of American and saying your nationality is white black or Hispanic

May Israelis describe themselves as Ashkenazi-Jews/Israelis, or Yemanites-Jews/Israelis, etc.

 

[varelse]

There are Israeli Arabs

since when do any Arabs have identification papers which say they are Israeli and not arab? The state of Israel recognizes 2 nationalities: Arab and Jew


And why are you telling me that jews are not a race? I have been saying that this whole time, much to the displeasure of the zionists here

 

[Lipush]

There are Israeli Arabs

since when do any Arabs have identification papers which say they are Israeli and not arab? The state of Israel recognizes 2 nationalities: Arab and Jew


And why are you telling me that jews are not a race? I have been saying that this whole time, much to the displeasure of the zionists here

There are Israeli-Arabs, but their ID simply says Israeli. stating Arab on someone who has blue ID can be an issue only in politics, why else would it matter?

"I've been saying that this whole time". Good, so we agree.

 

[varelse]

It's like getting rid of American and saying your nationality is white black or Hispanic

May Israelis describe themselves as Ashkenazi-Jews/Israelis, or Yemanites-Jews/Israelis, etc.

But the state recognizes jew and Arab in its official documentation. It's it does not recognize Israeli as the nationality. the use of jew and Arab in this manner is based on the conception of a Jewish race- a result of the historical development of Zionist ideology.