What's a 'Zionist'?

[Hossfly]

ZIONISM is a major theme of the books most people call
THE OLD TESTAMENT jews call it TANACH
The theme gets introduced in the first book called GENESIS.
A person named AVRAM-----gets the idea that his hometown
is no damned good and its social system stinks. He is some
sort of big shot in his home country and is married to a cute
little shot------and has a retinue. He goes to a place
called BEERSHEVA----in a land called CANAAN----which is
a kind of ----tribe here, village there kind of land----
independent little groups-----and he and his retinue
consistute one such little group.
He and later his sons build a kind of SPHERE OF
INFLUENCE in the land CANAAN -----a they get some fame
eventually over a few hundred years growing into a
"KINGDOM" On the way----they develope a THEOLOGY
that involves their history and notable events in
various parts of the land which makes them more and
more attached to that land.. and a literarture and
a body of poetry----all tied up in an attachment to that
land which comes to be called ZION. Attachment to
then land where the language and the theology and
the notable events unfolded is called ZIONISM

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk8Q9Kmkm3M]A Gobbledygook Epidemic - YouTube[/ame]

Oh good, we are back to videos.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNNhG0zDtA8&feature=player_embedded]Peace in the Middle East - YouTube[/ame]

 

[eots]

Anti-Zionism= use the same shallow slogans others have before you to cover up antisemitism under a mask of "self-righteousism"

New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the far-left, radical Islam, and the far-right, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel. The concept generally posits that much of what purports to be criticism of Israel by various individuals and world bodies, is, in fact, tantamount to demonization, and that, together with an alleged international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols, and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse, such demonization represents an evolution in the appearance of antisemitic beliefs.[citation needed]
Proponents of the concept argue that anti-Zionism, anti-Americanism, anti-globalization, third worldism, and demonization of Israel, or double standards applied to its conduct, may be linked to antisemitism, or constitute disguised antisemitism.[1] Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence debate.[2]

A new phenomenon
Irwin Cotler, Professor of Law at McGill University and a leading scholar of human rights, has identified nine sets of what he considered to be "new anti-Semitism"[13]:

Genocidal antisemitism - The public calls for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.

Political antisemitism - The denial of the Jewish people's right to self-determination; The de-legitimization of Israel as a state; The attributions to Israel of all the world's evils.

Ideological antisemitism - The comparison between Zionism and Racism to "Nazify" Israel.

Theological antisemitism - The convergence of Islamic antisemitism and Christian "replacement" theology, drawing on classical hatred of Jews.

Cultural antisemitism - The mixture of attitudes, sentiments, and discourse of "fashionable" salon intellectuals.

Economic antisemitism - BDS movements and extraterritorial application of restrictive covenants against countries trading with Israel.

Holocaust denial

Racist terrorism against Jews

Denial to Israel of equality before the law in the international arena - The differential and discriminatory treatment for Israel in the international arena.

Cotler argues that classical antisemitism is discrimination against Jews as individuals, and that the new antisemitism, in contrast, "is anchored in discrimination against the Jews as a people—and the embodiment of that expression in Israel. In each instance the essence of anti-Semitism is the same—an assault upon whatever is the core of Jewish self-definition at any moment in time." It is hard to measure, because the indices used by governments to detect discrimination — standard of living, housing, health, and employment — are useful only in measuring discrimination against individuals. This makes it difficult to show that the concept is a valid one, he writes.[14]

Irwin Cotler defines '"classical or traditional anti-Semitism" as "the discrimination against, denial of or assault upon the rights of Jews to live as equal members of whatever host society they inhabit", and "new anti-Semitism" as "discrimination against the right of the Jewish people to live as an equal member of the family of nations – the denial of and assault upon the Jewish people's right even to live – with Israel as the "collective Jew among the nations."[15]

Cotler elaborated on this position in a June 2011 interview for Israeli television. He re-iterated his view that the world is "witnessing a new and escalating [...] and even lethal anti-Semitism" focused on hatred of Israel, but added that this type of antisemitism should not be defined in a way that precludes "free speech" and "rigorous debate" about Israel's activities. Cotler said that it is "too simplistic to say that anti-Zionism, per se, is anti-Semitic" and argued that labelling Israel as an apartheid state, while in his view "distasteful," is "still within the boundaries of argument" and not inherently antisemitic. "It's where you say, because it's an apartheid state, it has to be dismantled - then [you've] crossed the line into a racist argument, or an anti-Jewish argument," he said.[16]

Jack Fischel, former chair of history at Millersville University of Pennsylvania, writes that new antisemitism is a new phenomenon stemming from a coalition of "leftists, vociferously opposed to the policies of Israel, and right-wing antisemites, committed to the destruction of Israel, [who] were joined by millions of Muslims, including Arabs, who immigrated to Europe ... and who brought with them their hatred of Israel in particular and of Jews in general." It is this new political alignment, he argues, that makes new antisemitism unique.[17] Mark Strauss of Foreign Policy links it to anti-globalism, describing it as "the medieval image of the 'Christ-killing' Jew resurrected on the editorial pages of cosmopolitan European newspapers.[18]

Antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New antisemitism is something the SPL invented to try and stay relevant

 

[HistoryBefore67]

I'm a Zionist.

You anti-Semites can try to label me all you want. I don't care.

Zionism is serious. You people are a bunch of clowns.

 

[abu afak]

Has anyone else noticed, NOT a single taker to the My/OP challenge after 24 hours/82 posts and the Daily Abuse of the word.
Alotta hostility by the very Same abusers like Codger, eots, Jos, varelse, etc, but NO answer.
Mouthy SherriMun 'thanked' a post or two in the string but is MUM.

Not one of the Abusers/bigots can define a word they use hourly and in headlines.
But they Were Pissed about being OUTED.

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Still NO Takers among the 'anti-zionists' (cough) in re their Favorite epithet. .. and proxy Bigot word.
Surely one of these BIGOT CLOWNS can define a word they use/headline regularly.
Nope.

 

[abu afak]

`
So abi, what's a Zionist?
You use the word every day dozens of times.
So buddy...
You're up!
`

 

[abi]

So abi, what's a Zionist?
You use the word every day dozens of times.
So buddy...
You're up!

Tricky one, as I explained to Teddy, they come in many shapes and sizes, religions too.

I think one reason I have drawn such ire here, is that I am a Jew, but not a zionist and I get how this board is filled with zionists and my posts will offend them. I'd like to say I'm sorry, but I'm not. I am not here to cater to peoples insecurities. I came to learn, I am writing a book now on this subject, and the responses I have gotten from the zionists here on very simple concepts are revealing.

Before I answer, I have to point out that all members of the National Socialist party (Nazi) were not evil people. Some were, but most bought into the propaganda and really believed that they were on the right side of history. The zionists, for the most part are the same way in my mind. They have bought into an insane ideology. This isn't an attack on the majority of zionists, or those who support the zionist agenda, as it is a testament to the power of propaganda and how well our masters have learned to use it.

If you have been following along, these people do not need to be thrown in ovens or any other crazy ideas you create in your minds. You do however, need to open your eyes and look at your leaders and the actual history of your existence and why you ultimately truly believe that you can come from another continent and claim the land were others had lived for centuries.

 

[abu afak]

So abi, what's a Zionist?
You use the word every day dozens of times.
So buddy...
You're up!

Tricky one, as I explained to Teddy, they come in many shapes and sizes, religions too.
....

"Tricky"!
It's the basis of your every post, yet you can't say what it is in a sentence or two?

The "tricky" part is, AGAIN, not Outing yourself as someone who "just hates the great majority of Jews."
Something I've already outed you trying to obfuscate.
Ouch again.
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[admonit]

I think one reason I have drawn such ire here, is that I am a Jew, but not a zionist

You are not Jewish and you have nothing to do with the Jewish people. You are attacked because of your antisemitism.

 

[Sixties Fan]

`
So abi, what's a Zionist?
You use the word every day dozens of times.
So buddy...
You're up!
`

Abu, I am not sure if you need to read the new rules or not.
Administration is asking not to bump up old threads.

And what is a Zionist is discussed on just about every thread.

Let us see what happens.

 

[teddyearp]

To further on sixties fan's post Abu. The new rules ask that if you bump an old thread, only do so if you have new actual information to further the discussion. This was brought about largely because another user a few months ago created mass amounts of silly threads, like abi, and then would periodically bump them so that the whole front page was filled with his diatribes.

Now, to get back on track, abi, you have many times claimed you came or come here to learn. I think not. In fact most of the board will agree with me that the only thing you are here to learn is how to push the limits of the rules here.

To wit: I first came here to learn as well. As you know I am pro-israel. But I was much more so than I am now. In fact, I was anti-palestine, but after actually learning some things here I am also pro-palestinians. Yes, I really wish for them to have their own country along side Israel. But, it does sadly seem like it won't happen because of people like you.

Are you for a two state solution?