What think ye? What manner of being was Jesus?

[Colin norris]

A man born of woman sent by God to fulfill the Law of the Lamb.

Mary was not sent by God. She had 6 children and not a virgin.

There are many anointed priests and many anointed kings in scripture. There is only one Lamb of God. He is the centerpiece of the Day of Atonement.

It might be for you but he doesn't represent that at all. That's a religious concept only.


Only through the sacrifice of the Lamb may our sins be forgiven.

As an atheist I don't gave sins. Only godbotherers seem to attract them then ask for forgiveness from a ghost who never delivers.


Because of my faith, I have no choice but to depend on Him, as my own sins are many.

Everything you have achieved in your life you have been 100% responsible for.
Not ever have you depended on a ghost for who you are. Why give that credit to some celestial bullshit?
I'll bet you cannot claim and show one thing in your life that came from God.
See how good you are.

 

[SweetSue92]

Jesus was born of the very eternal Father of Heaven who is immortal. Jesus was also born of Mary who was a mortal and part of the heritage of fallen man. Jesus is known as a being who did no sin in his life on earth. What do you believe? Was Jesus like the rest of us or was he more than this mortal race?

Son of God
Alpha and Omega
Morning Star
I AM
The Word
The Lamb of God
Messiah
High Priest
Intercessor
My Savior

 

[SweetSue92]

Lately I've come to believe he was as mortal as you or I and just as flawed, biologically speaking. Temptations of the flesh are very strong—insurmountable. Even if this be the case, Jesus as a mortal man, that makes him no less holy or worthy of veneration for his act of dying for our sins. If one believes the myths of many religions, even just the slightest bit, he must acknowledge the many instances of human avatars sent by various gods to do their bidding. Parashurama anyone?

Every time mankind seeks or ascribes absolute perfection in the flesh of other mortals the inevitable, ultimate disappointment turns out to be quite epic. What Jesus became after dying on the cross for all mankind, at least in this iteration of my personally held beliefs, seems more worthy of worship than his time spent on earth as a man. Then again, there are times when I give serious thought to forming up a Sol Invictus worship group.

However, that's got more to do with my disappointment in most modern Christians I meet these days. Christians who talk the talk only on Sunday mornings or afternoons and claim to walk the walk but never quite get around to it . . . you know . . . between football games, cheating on their wives, watching porn, lying to everyone around them pathologically, etc.

I know how this will come across so I'm heading it off at the pass. This will come across as "I'm better than you" but it really means I'm a darn sight worse and I know this.

Few people seem to do good, especially not me. The only thing that keeps me grounded is reading Scripture. It's something I never did with any faithfulness until a few years ago when by the grace of God I started a regular program up. Now I cling to it like a lifeline. It's hard to explain but it refocuses my lens. Again I read it because I really need it.

 

[alang1216]

Jesus was born of the very eternal Father of Heaven who is immortal. Jesus was also born of Mary who was a mortal and part of the heritage of fallen man. Jesus is known as a being who did no sin in his life on earth. What do you believe? Was Jesus like the rest of us or was he more than this mortal race?

A product of evolution. He was an apocalyptic Jew who was later anointed by his followers.

 

[ding]

Mary who was a mortal and part of the heritage of fallen man

Actually... she wasn't.

Sinlessness of Mary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ding]

A product of evolution. He was an apocalyptic Jew who was later anointed by his followers.

Why do you believe that?

 

[alang1216]

Why do you believe that?

Textual Criticism

 

[Blues Man]

Jesus was the greatest venture capitalist that ever lived.

He pitched an idea 2000 years ago and people are still giving billions annually to his religion

 

[Godboy]

Even if Pilate kept him around to heal him if taken ill, would Jesus have agreed to do it? I doubt it. That was not why He was here.

Not much was written about Him as a young boy, but I read somewhere he was a brat like all young boys. So until he understood His "calling", he was like all other people. I also think He had a thing for Mary. One of the apostles complained He kissed her often on the mouth with "affection". So yeah...he was a human man with human man's "needs" or "desires" and probably kept them in check, but still felt them.

Pontius could have threatened to torture and murder people if Jesus didnt keep him healthy. If he started cutting off fingers of children, would Jesus NOT heal him? I doubt it.

 

[Meriweather]

Pontius could have threatened to torture and murder people if Jesus didnt keep him healthy.

Yeah, until the Emperor realized what a prize Pilate had and ordered Pilate killed and Jesus brought to Rome....But on the way, Jesus was kidnapped by a rogue gang, who wanted to make money off his talents. Then...(fill in your own ending. )

 

[Godboy]

Yeah, until the Emperor realized what a prize Pilate had and ordered Pilate killed and Jesus brought to Rome....But on the way, Jesus was kidnapped by a rogue gang, who wanted to make money off his talents. Then...(fill in your own ending. )

Yeah, its really weird that nothing like that happened. Instead he just killed the one person in the world who had powers, and for some strange reason those powers didnt convince him that he was the son of god.

 

[Meriweather]

Yeah, its really weird that nothing like that happened. Instead he just killed the one person in the world who had powers, and for some strange reason those powers didnt convince him that he was the son of god.

Once again, I believe you have the wrong picture of Jesus. Jesus said he was anointed (or appointed) by God to proclaim the good news that sins are forgiven. Religious leaders of that day said Jesus had no authority to proclaim any such thing--and demanded he prove he had been given this authority.

Another issue that troubled Jesus was that as Rome made Israel and Jews poorer, so much so that most lived in poverty, hospitality among the people naturally took a hit. (Remember the story of the five loaves and two fish.) Jesus message was to keep sharing, keep being hospitable with even the little available. It would be enough.)

Also something to ponder: Could Pilate have heard the story of Zacchaeus, who wanted a chance to meet Jesus, had that wish granted, and ended up giving half of what he had to the poor, and then repaying four times the amount he had conned from people. It appears that Jesus was a good person to stay away from if one was in a position of power and wealth (as the rich young man learned, as well).

Out in the desert Jesus had already considered doing all of this--providing food to everyone, using power and wealth--and dismissed it all as not being the will of God. It was the will of God he proclaim the good news that sins are forgiven. That message meant that Temple revenues could well take a hit, so the Temple authorities (who had been appointed by Rome) had to do something to ensure the monies kept coming in--i.e., get rid of the messenger. Jesus said he would lay down his life before he would stop doing the will of the Father. If it was not the will of the Father than Pilate be cured, do you think Jesus would have done that miracle any more than he would have leaped off the pinnacle of the Temple when tempted to do so in the desert?

Perhaps Pilate considered all of this. Picturing himself returning revenue to the Jewish people (and the consequences that would bring down on him) or having to kill Jesus when Jesus refused to heal him, why bother?

 

[Godboy]

Once again, I believe you have the wrong picture of Jesus. Jesus said he was anointed (or appointed) by God to proclaim the good news that sins are forgiven. Religious leaders of that day said Jesus had no authority to proclaim any such thing--and demanded he prove he had been given this authority.

Another issue that troubled Jesus was that as Rome made Israel and Jews poorer, so much so that most lived in poverty, hospitality among the people naturally took a hit. (Remember the story of the five loaves and two fish.) Jesus message was to keep sharing, keep being hospitable with even the little available. It would be enough.)

Also something to ponder: Could Pilate have heard the story of Zacchaeus, who wanted a chance to meet Jesus, had that wish granted, and ended up giving half of what he had to the poor, and then repaying four times the amount he had conned from people. It appears that Jesus was a good person to stay away from if one was in a position of power and wealth (as the rich young man learned, as well).

Out in the desert Jesus had already considered doing all of this--providing food to everyone, using power and wealth--and dismissed it all as not being the will of God. It was the will of God he proclaim the good news that sins are forgiven. That message meant that Temple revenues could well take a hit, so the Temple authorities (who had been appointed by Rome) had to do something to ensure the monies kept coming in--i.e., get rid of the messenger. Jesus said he would lay down his life before he would stop doing the will of the Father. If it was not the will of the Father than Pilate be cured, do you think Jesus would have done that miracle any more than he would have leaped off the pinnacle of the Temple when tempted to do so in the desert?

Perhaps Pilate considered all of this. Picturing himself returning revenue to the Jewish people (and the consequences that would bring down on him) or having to kill Jesus when Jesus refused to heal him, why bother?

Its weird that religious leaders of that day required more proof than his supernatural powers. Even in modern times when everyone is far more skeptical, if you had just one of Jesus's powers, the entire world would follow you.

 

[Meriweather]

Its weird that religious leaders of that day required more proof than his supernatural powers. Even in modern times when everyone is far more skeptical, if you had just one of Jesus's powers, the entire world would follow you.

How many people in modern times would give up family, home, possessions, and wealth to follow a man who walked the countryside with the message sins are forgiven. ?

 

[Godboy]

How many people in modern times would give up family, home, possessions, and wealth to follow a man who walked the countryside with the message sins are forgiven. ?

Why would you need to physically follow him around? Isnt believing in him good enough?

 

[ding]

Textual Criticism

Can you thumbnail the reasons why you believe Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew who was later anointed by his followers?

How about your top three reasons?

 

[alang1216]

Can you thumbnail the reasons why you believe Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew who was later anointed by his followers?

How about your top three reasons?

What he said, what he did, what was done in his name.

I think any reasonable person who has read the NT could doubt Jesus was a Jew who expected the coming of a new age in his lifetime. Apocalypticism was popular at that time among Jews so it is not surprising both Jesus and Paul believed it.

If you view the time lines you can see his divinity build from Mark through John, culminating much later in the Trinity.

 

[ding]

What he said, what he did, what was done in his name.

I think any reasonable person who has read the NT could doubt Jesus was a Jew who expected the coming of a new age in his lifetime. Apocalypticism was popular at that time among Jews so it is not surprising both Jesus and Paul believed it.

If you view the time lines you can see his divinity build from Mark through John, culminating much later in the Trinity.

I'm a reasonable person and I doubt Jesus expected the coming of a new age in his lifetime. I don't see how an honest reading leads to that conclusion at all.

I think we have a different understanding of what he said, what he did, what was done in his name.

I'm pretty sure the miracles he performed spoke to his divinity from day one.

 

[alang1216]

I'm a reasonable person and I doubt Jesus expected the coming of a new age in his lifetime. I don't see how an honest reading leads to that conclusion at all.

No, you are a person of faith, first and foremost.

I think we have a different understanding of what he said, what he did, what was done in his name.

Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" (vv. 27–28).

I'm pretty sure the miracles he performed spoke to his divinity from day one.

I'm pretty sure the miracles were attributed to him well after his death. To convert the pagans they had to be convinced Jesus was more powerful than their gods and demigods.

 

[Likkmee]

When we die, 1 of 2 things will happen

1-There is everlasting life so who gives a shit what anyone thinks

2- There is nothing so none of us will know anyway. So who gives a shit

Serially, what does it matter screaming if there is or isn't while we are, an is

There will be or will not be........................There is or there isn't

Who gives a shit. Wait to find out

The internal revenue service cares