Debate Now What should be the goal of our prison system?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

The cop didn't kill Floyd....he died from 3 blocked arteries, an enlarged heart, high blood pressure and on top of that, he over dosed on fentanyl and meth....

Rittenhouse shot 3 violent felons who attacked him...each shot was fired in self defense.

You need to pick better test cases for your argument.

My argument is 100% intact. You're previous statement was essentially throw away the key. So I brought them up as an example. YOU have been exposed to the problem with your previous position but will you be smart enough to see it?

No......you brought up two problematic cases.....I brought up actual criminals engaged in rape and murder.....

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

Doesn't matter.......it was a miscarriage of justice...but I do note you don't really want to address actual criminals ..... murderers and rapists....

Why is that?

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

Should a gang member who shoots a rival or an innocent ever get out of prison?

Should a violent rapist ever get out of prison?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

The cop didn't kill Floyd....he died from 3 blocked arteries, an enlarged heart, high blood pressure and on top of that, he over dosed on fentanyl and meth....

Rittenhouse shot 3 violent felons who attacked him...each shot was fired in self defense.

You need to pick better test cases for your argument.

My argument is 100% intact. You're previous statement was essentially throw away the key. So I brought them up as an example. YOU have been exposed to the problem with your previous position but will you be smart enough to see it?

No......you brought up two problematic cases.....I brought up actual criminals engaged in rape and murder.....

There is no difference in the courts eyes ya idiot. THEY ARE ALL CONVICTED CRIMINALS be the conviction correct in your eyes or not.
So I'll say it again. You support people like the cop being tossed away forever because of YOUR STATED POSITION. You do not define just convictions, the court does.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

Doesn't matter.......it was a miscarriage of justice...but I do note you don't really want to address actual criminals ..... murderers and rapists....

Why is that?

You're a fucking moron. Off to iggy.....bye

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

The cop was rightfully convicted. I think he was over charged, but he IS a scumbag. The kid will walk free because his is a clear case of self defense.

We can discuss this topic but I don't think this is the right place.......the op for some reason doesn't want to discuss actual criminals.....

 

[Likkmee]

Prisons ? Like living in the everglades.Taking it in the wazoo and mosquitoes are a non-issue

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

The cop didn't kill Floyd....he died from 3 blocked arteries, an enlarged heart, high blood pressure and on top of that, he over dosed on fentanyl and meth....

Rittenhouse shot 3 violent felons who attacked him...each shot was fired in self defense.

You need to pick better test cases for your argument.

My argument is 100% intact. You're previous statement was essentially throw away the key. So I brought them up as an example. YOU have been exposed to the problem with your previous position but will you be smart enough to see it?

No......you brought up two problematic cases.....I brought up actual criminals engaged in rape and murder.....

There is no difference in the courts eyes ya idiot. THEY ARE ALL CONVICTED CRIMINALS be the conviction correct in your eyes or not.
So I'll say it again. You support people like the cop being tossed away forever because of YOUR STATED POSITION. You do not define just convictions, the court does.

Outside of this cop....anyone convicted of murder should have a life sentence...dittos rapists.

 

[2aguy]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

Doesn't matter.......it was a miscarriage of justice...but I do note you don't really want to address actual criminals ..... murderers and rapists....

Why is that?

You're a fucking moron. Off to iggy.....bye

Wow....that was quick...no wonder you went to prison....control issues much?

 

[jc456]

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

there is absolutely little to no evidence that someone who is a criminal can stop being a criminal. Their form of addict is no different than any other addict. For any intelligent human to observe the past thousands of years doesn't know that, is, well, a lunatic.

 

[jc456]

Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

self defense, you should actually watch the video. fk grampa, you're losing it. turning demofk before our very eyes. amazing.

 

[jc456]

The cop didn't kill Floyd....he died from 3 blocked arteries, an enlarged heart, high blood pressure and on top of that, he over dosed on fentanyl and meth....

Rittenhouse shot 3 violent felons who attacked him...each shot was fired in self defense.

You need to pick better test cases for your argument.

gramps is turning demofk right before our eyes. I use to respect the dude. now, wow.

 

[jc456]

All of which is true. However, once he was informed that floyd had no pulse, instead of having the paramedic, standing 20 feet away, come over and administer aid, as he is required BY LAW to do. He kept his knee on floyds neck and prevented the paramedic from helping. Manslaughter is what I would have convicted him for.

the paramedic stated on the stand he wasn't going to administer any help until off site. Get the facts from the case.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

self defense, you should actually watch the video. fk grampa, you're losing it. turning demofk before our very eyes. amazing.

What happens to him isn't dependent on what you or I think.

How do you not understand that??? 12 random people will decide his guilt. Not you or I or anyone else on USMB. I believe he is innocent but as I stated my opinion is 100% IRRELEVANT, just like yours.

So if he is indeed convicted this thread has made it clear that many of you would sentence him to eternity in prison because apparently some of you have yet to realize that one size fits all rules are total bullshit

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The cop didn't kill Floyd....he died from 3 blocked arteries, an enlarged heart, high blood pressure and on top of that, he over dosed on fentanyl and meth....

Rittenhouse shot 3 violent felons who attacked him...each shot was fired in self defense.

You need to pick better test cases for your argument.

gramps is turning demofk right before our eyes. I use to respect the dude. now, wow.

I'm the only one using my damn brain apparently. This isn't about my personal feelings. I believe the cop is a political prisoner but as I've CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED, what we think or feel is irrelevant to his current situation.

DO
YOU
GET
IT
YET
???

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You all state a CLEAR POSITION.

Murderers, rapists etc should be locked away forever.

I demonstrate why that one size fits all position is a failure and would be a miscarriage of justice.

Yalls response? Call me leftist names!

 

[Mr Natural]

Should a gang member who shoots a rival or an innocent ever get out of prison?

Should a violent rapist ever get out of prison?

No on both.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.

For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...

There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"

Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.

Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"

Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.

We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.



/blog

My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool


Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!

I think violent criminals, murder, attempted murder, rape....should not be released....and should have life sentences....as to the rest, I can see some attempt at helping them once they get out....but in truth.....they dug a hole, and created a situation where most normal people will not trust them. Do you blame normal people?

Keep them there, no parole. Within 2 years violent crime would drop dramatically.

So I guess you two are ok with that cop who was convicted of killing Floyd never seeing the light of day. Or that kid in Wisconsin who will likely be convicted of murder.

So tell me what defines "normal"?
The person who doesn't think their argument through or the convict who did...

How about we talk actual criminals.....like the gang member who shoots another gang member or an innocent bystander he hits by mistake? Or the guy who drags a woman from a bus stop and rapes her.....?

Do you think they should ever be released from prison?

You do not get to define "actual criminals"

The court does that and the court found him to be a criminal.

Stop being dense

Doesn't matter.......it was a miscarriage of justice...but I do note you don't really want to address actual criminals ..... murderers and rapists....

Why is that?

You're a fucking moron. Off to iggy.....bye

Wow....that was quick...no wonder you went to prison....control issues much?

Prolly drunk already.

Clean debate zone. Keep the personal shit out or get the fuck out

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Should a gang member who shoots a rival or an innocent ever get out of prison?

Should a violent rapist ever get out of prison?

No on both.

Obviously but he's playing simplistic games in an attempt to not address my point.