Let's talk about the rights enumerated in the 5th and 8th amendments.

[rightwinger]

So illegals can purchase guns?

Rifles….probably
Handguns…..depends on state laws

 

[ThisIsMe]

Rifles….probably
Handguns…..depends on state laws

Interesting. How do they pass a background check?

 

[d0gbreath]

So illegals can purchase guns?

If they can pass the background test, yes.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If they can pass the background test, yes.

How does an illegal alien here from..say..mexico, pass a US federal background check?

Would you support this?

 

[Correll]

What detail could overcome the 8th A prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment? Or do you see the Constitution as a quaint relic of the past that can be ignored at trump's discretion?

I already covered that in the portion of the post you cut. So... dismissed.

 

[d0gbreath]

How does an illegal alien here from..say..mexico, pass a US federal background check?

Would you support this?

You've obviously never filled one out before. If he does fail, MS-13 is a gun running organization foremost. Do you want a 10mm Uzi?

 

[Correll]

Ever hear of solitary confinement?

Yes. Nothing about it, is relevant to this discussion. you are shit talking.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You've obviously never filled one out before. If he does fail, MS-13 is a gun running organization foremost. Do you want a 10mm Uzi?

So, the question isn't about guns, the question is about if the cotus implied 5th and 8th amendment rights for everyone, or for citizens.

I.e. does the cotus grant due process for people here unlawfully...does the cotus require illegals to have an immigration hearing.

 

[d0gbreath]

So, the question isn't about guns, the question is about if the cotus implied 5th and 8th amendment rights for everyone, or for citizens.

I.e. does the cotus grant due process for people here unlawfully...does the cotus require illegals to have an immigration hearing.

If you are standing in America, those rights apply to you, or they're supposed to.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You've obviously never filled one out before. If he does fail, MS-13 is a gun running organization foremost. Do you want a 10mm Uzi?

Also, the question i asked to you was, do you support illegals being able to purchase guns, and how, exactly, would someone from Mexico pass our background check, considering, from what i gather, the crime reporting statistics in mexico are...kinda iffy..

 

[ThisIsMe]

If you are standing in America, those rights apply to you, or they're supposed to.

So, illegals can legally purchase guns, even though you'd never really be able to do a background check on them, since many crimes in mexico go unreported.

Are you ok with this?

 

[d0gbreath]

Also, the question i asked to you was, do you support illegals being able to purchase guns, and how, exactly, would someone from Mexico pass our background check, considering, from what i gather, the crime reporting statistics in mexico are...kinda iffy..

 

[ThisIsMe]

ThisIsMe said:
Also, the question i asked to you was, do you support illegals being able to purchase guns, and how, exactly, would someone from Mexico pass our background check, considering, from what i gather, the crime reporting statistics in mexico are...kinda iffy..

Yes?

Also, how did I go from a discussion with rightwinger...to a discussion with dogbreath?

 

[d0gbreath]

Yes?

This conversation has run it's course.

Touché.

 

[rightwinger]

Interesting. How do they pass a background check?

Ask the state
They make firearms rules

Some states have no background checks

 

[ThisIsMe]

This conversation has run it's course.

Touché.

Alrighty then..

 

[ThisIsMe]

Ask the state
They make firearms rules

Some states have no background checks

This is true, some states do not require background checks. You're not going soft on gun restrictions are you?

Still, this wasn't about guns, it's about the right of people to bear arms and how that cotus applies to everyone or just citizens. You seem to be of the opinion of support for illegals being able to buy guns. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Shamrock17]

And yet Obama and Biden deported hundreds of thousands of illegals without hearings or seeing a judge. Go Figure.

Exactly. This is just another of the antiTrumps' double standards. Ask the average voter what they think about these deportations. Sixty percent support increasing deportations, up from about 50% during Trump’s first term.

 

[Doc7505]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.1 Generally, due process guarantees protect individual rights by limiting the exercise of government power.2 The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment, which applies to federal government action, provides persons with both procedural and substantive due process guarantees. If the federal government seeks to deprive a person of a protected life, liberty, or property interest, the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause requires that the government first provide certain procedural protections.3 Procedural due process often requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity for a hearing before such a deprivation.4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

The reason folks like me keep referring to Abrego Garcia's due process rights under the Constitution is because the 5th A makes no mention of a citizenship requirement for its application. Therefore, because he was not afforded 'procedural due process," his rights were violated.

Moving on, the 8th A is very straightforward.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-8/

Why mention it?

‘Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump’s plan to deport ‘homegrown criminals’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...onable-proposal-deport-us-citizens-rcna201183

I think even trump fans would agree what we know about the conditions in El Salvador's CECOT prison constitutes punishment that is cruel and unusual by US standards. It was reported yesterday that trump has assigned Pam Bondi to the task of looking at ways to legally justify deporting US citizens, presumably convicted of crimes, to a CECOT prison.

A reasonable interpretation of which can be construed as her instructions being to look for ways to get around the clear language of the 8th A. Said another way, the AG of the United States is now willingly seeking a justification for violating the Constitution. Something she said under oath she would not do. The truly astonishing aspect of all of this being in the context of a trump presidency it's not astonishing in the least.

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[rightwinger]

This is true, some states do not require background checks. You're not going soft on gun restrictions are you?

Still, this wasn't about guns, it's about the right of people to bear arms and how that cotus applies to everyone or just citizens. You seem to be of the opinion of support for illegals being able to buy guns. Am I understanding you correctly?

Where did I ever say that?