Let's talk about the rights enumerated in the 5th and 8th amendments.

[westwall]

Our constitution recognizes the right to face charges against you regardless of what you are accused of

Ted Bundy got a fair trial

Bundy was a citizen. Illegals aren't.

 

[berg80]

Possibly, depending on the details of the program.

What detail could overcome the 8th A prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment? Or do you see the Constitution as a quaint relic of the past that can be ignored at trump's discretion?

 

[berg80]

Go ahead and attempt to demonstrate it to be false.

I'll show you where your logic fails.

Get back to me when you can prove this...'When you supported letting in tens of millions of illegals"......is true of any elected Dem.

 

[berg80]

Well, that wouldn't be the POINT of such a program, but IF I was in charge of hte program, it would get the most animalistic monsters out of our prisons, so that the more, human criminals would not be caged with them.

Ever hear of solitary confinement?

 

[Muhammed]

Nothing saying that a prisoner held in el salvador would not have the right to appeal, and as I said, I think being held at the "mercy" of ms-13 and their ilk, is more cruel than NOT.

OK so it is scary to be around MS-13 gangsters in El Salvador.

Well, the gang was actually formed in Kalifornia, USA. So it makes zero sense for any motherfucking moron to claim they are going to the USA to seek asylum from MS-13.

 

[marvin martian]

Ignoring the Constitution

Violating free speech rights
Due process rights
Habeas corpus rights

And ignoring direct SUPREME COURT rulings

This man has to go

This man?

He's already gone.

 

[rightwinger]

Ignoring the Constitution

Violating free speech rights
Due process rights
Habeas corpus rights

And ignoring direct SUPREME COURT rulings

This man has to go

He is running the TRUMP Playbook.

Do whatever you wish
If anyone complains say…..Sue me
If it goes to a lower court, just mock them and appeal
Plan on the Conservative Supreme Court covering for you
If they rule against you, just ignore them
Facilitate? Good luck with that

 

[rightwinger]

This man?

He's already gone.

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Biden followed the Courts direction and adjusted his strategy accordingly

 

[marvin martian]

He is running the TRUMP Playbook.

Do whatever you wish
If anyone complains say…..Sue me
If it goes to a lower court, just mock them and appeal
Plan on the Conservative Supreme Court covering for you
If they rule against you, just ignore them
Facilitate? Good luck with that

The Biden playbook, you mean:

 

[rightwinger]

The Biden playbook, you mean:

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Biden followed the courts direction.
They said……You can’t do THIS
So he tried something else.

 

[whitehall]

Lefties only worry about the Constitution during republican administrations. Historians generally support or conveniently forget democrat icon FDR's shameful unconstitutional treatment of Japanese American citizens who were confined to concentration camps fur the duration of WW2. Lefties seem to think that fascism is beneficial if a president can declare a health crisis. Nobody on the left seemed concerned about Biden/Fauci forcing businesses to close and arresting Christians for congregating during Covid

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I love that Dems are still siding with RAPING, MURDERING illegals. Keep going Dems until your party is 20% of the vote.

Urp Derp!! The issue is the constitution. We side with the law

 

[berg80]

Well, the gang was actually formed in Kalifornia, USA. So it makes zero sense for any motherfucking moron to claim they are going to the USA to seek asylum from MS-13.

Don't try so hard to be a nitwit. It will surely come out naturally.

A string of brutal murders in the US has thrown a national spotlight on MS-13, a street gang that was born in LA but has roots in El Salvador.

MS-13 gang: The story behind one of the world's most brutal street gangs

Born in the barrios of Los Angeles, MS-13 has risen to become one of the world's most feared gangs.

www.bbc.com

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Is that kind of like “well regulated militias”?

No. It’s not.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.1 Generally, due process guarantees protect individual rights by limiting the exercise of government power.2 The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment, which applies to federal government action, provides persons with both procedural and substantive due process guarantees. If the federal government seeks to deprive a person of a protected life, liberty, or property interest, the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause requires that the government first provide certain procedural protections.3 Procedural due process often requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity for a hearing before such a deprivation.4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

The reason folks like me keep referring to Abrego Garcia's due process rights under the Constitution is because the 5th A makes no mention of a citizenship requirement for its application. Therefore, because he was not afforded 'procedural due process," his rights were violated.

Moving on, the 8th A is very straightforward.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-8/

Why mention it?

‘Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump’s plan to deport ‘homegrown criminals’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...onable-proposal-deport-us-citizens-rcna201183

I think even trump fans would agree what we know about the conditions in El Salvador's CECOT prison constitutes punishment that is cruel and unusual by US standards. It was reported yesterday that trump has assigned Pam Bondi to the task of looking at ways to legally justify deporting US citizens, presumably convicted of crimes, to a CECOT prison.

A reasonable interpretation of which can be construed as her instructions being to look for ways to get around the clear language of the 8th A. Said another way, the AG of the United States is now willingly seeking a justification for violating the Constitution. Something she said under oath she would not do. The truly astonishing aspect of all of this being in the context of a trump presidency it's not astonishing in the least.

So, I'm curious about whom the cotus applies to? You're right, it doesn't specificly say "citizens" but wouldn't it be implied? The 2A also doesn't mention citizens, does this mean illegals are allowed to own guns?

 

[ThisIsMe]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.1 Generally, due process guarantees protect individual rights by limiting the exercise of government power.2 The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment, which applies to federal government action, provides persons with both procedural and substantive due process guarantees. If the federal government seeks to deprive a person of a protected life, liberty, or property interest, the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause requires that the government first provide certain procedural protections.3 Procedural due process often requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity for a hearing before such a deprivation.4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

The reason folks like me keep referring to Abrego Garcia's due process rights under the Constitution is because the 5th A makes no mention of a citizenship requirement for its application. Therefore, because he was not afforded 'procedural due process," his rights were violated.

Moving on, the 8th A is very straightforward.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-8/

Why mention it?

‘Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump’s plan to deport ‘homegrown criminals’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...onable-proposal-deport-us-citizens-rcna201183

I think even trump fans would agree what we know about the conditions in El Salvador's CECOT prison constitutes punishment that is cruel and unusual by US standards. It was reported yesterday that trump has assigned Pam Bondi to the task of looking at ways to legally justify deporting US citizens, presumably convicted of crimes, to a CECOT prison.

A reasonable interpretation of which can be construed as her instructions being to look for ways to get around the clear language of the 8th A. Said another way, the AG of the United States is now willingly seeking a justification for violating the Constitution. Something she said under oath she would not do. The truly astonishing aspect of all of this being in the context of a trump presidency it's not astonishing in the least.

I agree, sending citizens there is ridiculous.

Question for you though....if you could, would you send maga to these types of prisons? Especially J6 rioters?

From hearing some of the leftys around here..I get the impression they would, of they could.

 

[sartre play]

I love that Dems are still siding with RAPING, MURDERING illegals. Keep going Dems until your party is 20% of the vote.

Hate to say this but rape and murder is done by ALL people
you can pick out a single kind of person doing these kinds of things & act like there the ONLY ONES.
if YOU ARE HONEST you could pick out the same amount of white American males. people who have raped and murdered.
those who do, ARE not ok,
just color or nationality is not the only problem.

 

[Rawley]

Depended on status
Those seeking asylum are granted a hearing.

Only if the claim is credible.


[quoteThose unable to prove status are deported

Trump is sending people to a Hellhole prison who have legal status in this country.
[/QUOTE]
Don't think so. Even the "Maryland Dad" was deemed deportable.

 

[rightwinger]

So, I'm curious about whom the cotus applies to? You're right, it doesn't specificly say "citizens" but wouldn't it be implied? The 2A also doesn't mention citizens, does this mean illegals are allowed to own guns?

Our laws apply to all people whether they are citizens or not.
So do the protections of our laws

 

[ThisIsMe]

Our laws apply to all people whether they are citizens or not.
So do the protections of our laws

So illegals can purchase guns?