Zone1 What separates Christianity from all other religions

[Lisa558]

You seem to be embracing the form of religion instead of the Spirit of God which was Jesus' main complaint against the Pharisees if I recall.

To argue Jews today don't know God or give thanks and praise to God or hold the still hold the views in this link is incorrect.

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It’s even worse than that. He’s claiming that Judaism no longer exists, and neither do Jews. (An antisemite’s dream, no doubt.)

 

[ding]

No law, no prophets, no temple, no priesthood, no elements, no country, no anything, not even Semites borne of Shem.

Whatever talmudic or pharisaic version of that lost religion people have spun off and embraced, that's their business. If they want to call themselves Jews, that's their business. But no one is an Israelite.

That's because you think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) is the only true and living church upon the earth. This belief is rooted in your understanding that divine authority and the fulness of the gospel were restored to the Church through Joseph Smith. Which means it was disrupted at some time.

 

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It’s even worse than that. He’s claiming that Judaism no longer exists, and neither do Jews. (An antisemite’s dream, no doubt.)

It's his church's position that they are the only true church of God because divine authority and the fulness of the gospel were restored to the Church through Joseph Smith.

 

[BreezeWood]

instead of the Spirit of God which was Jesus' main complaint

To argue Jews today don't know God or give thanks and praise to God or still hold the views in this link is incorrect.

what jesus taught is the heavens are for all living beings equally - their contempt is for those that chose their own path, jews et al as a selectivity - is the heart and soul of the 1st century and its closing scene.

 

[norwegen]

Whatever. Sad that you want to hold on to the false belief that Judaism is dead.

Apparently, you did not comprehend my acknowledgement of Jews among us and the customs they've adopted. Anyone can see that it is alive.

That actual Judaism - temple, tribal Judaism, the faith, or lack thereof, of the Judeans who repeatedly forsook their God, as their own texts aver - is dead is very much true. It's a fact of history.

 

[Lisa558]

Apparently, you did not comprehend my acknowledgement of Jews among us and the customs they've adopted. Anyone can see that it is alive.

That actual Judaism - temple, tribal Judaism, the faith, or lack thereof, of the Judeans who repeatedly forsook their God, as their own texts aver - is dead is very much true. It's a fact of history.

Jews never “forsook” Gd. That is coming from a Christian perspective and is insulting to Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

It's his church's position that they are the only true church of God because divine authority and the fulness of the gospel were restored to the Church through Joseph Smith.

He’s not the only Christian who insists that. We had another one upthread who just said Christianity is the only true religion and everyone else’s is false.

 

[norwegen]

Jews never “forsook” Gd. That is coming from a Christian perspective and is insulting to Jews.

That's coming from the Hebrew perspective, beginning in the Garden of Eden and continuing through the 40 different foreign deities they bowed to.

 

[Lisa558]

That's coming from the Hebrew perspective, beginning in the Garden of Eden and continuing through the 40 different foreign deities they bowed to.

Yes, the practice of Judaism comes from the Hebrew perspective. And NO, we never bowed to any other deity but Gd.

Really pretty arrogant for a Christian to lecture a Jew on Judaism and claim we’ve worshipped 40 different foreign gods.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Fear, superstition, faith over reason are the hallmarks of organized religion. Before government, religion's purpose is to sustain the priest class and thereby control the masses.

When was there no government

 

[luiza]

Yawn. More interesting question: How many of you are there?

Good question.
According to my current book , more than one if you have the techniques to move among different time streams — but not for pleasure or nosiness — rather for planning your future or correcting negative Karm from previous incarnations .
A bit too erudite for you I suspect .

 

[norwegen]

Yes, the practice of Judaism comes from the Hebrew perspective. And NO, we never bowed to any other deity but Gd.

Really pretty arrogant for a Christian to lecture a Jew on Judaism and claim we’ve worshipped 40 different foreign gods.

"We"? I didn't say you; I said the Israelites.

Pretty simple of anyone to read through the texts and not notice the foreign deities they bowed to. Did you happen to notice their struggles with obedience/disobedience? Or have you not read them?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Good question.
According to my current book , more than one if you have the techniques to move among different time streams — but not for pleasure or nosiness — rather for planning your future or correcting negative Karm from previous incarnations .
A bit too erudite for you I suspect .

You are pretty much what I suspected

 

[Lisa558]

"We"? I didn't say you; I said the Israelites.

Pretty simple of anyone to read through the texts and not notice the foreign deities they bowed to. Did you happen to notice their struggles with obedience/disobedience? Or have you not read them?

So you’re talking about individual Jews who “strayed”? Well of course. Certainly the 1st century Jews who converted to Christianity strayed.

But Jews as a whole remain a strong and resilient people who worship the One True Gd, and nobody else.

And plenty of Christians have strayed from their religion’s teachings, too. Not sure why you want to dump on Jews.

 

[norwegen]

So you’re talking about individual Jews who “strayed”? Well of course. Certainly the 1st century Jews who converted to Christianity strayed.

But Jews as a whole remain a strong and resilient people who worship the One True Gd, and nobody else.

And plenty of Christians have strayed from their religion’s teachings, too. Not sure why you want to dump on Jews.

The 1st-century Jews who converted to Christ were not the Jews who were destroyed.

Dump on my Jewish neighbors? No. You're unable to comprehend my point of view, and so you accuse me of nothing.

Dump on the Jews of the Bible? Absolutely. It's what their Moses and a few others did as well.

 

[Lisa558]

The 1st-century Jews who converted to Christ were not the Jews who were destroyed.

Dump on my Jewish neighbors? No. You're unable to comprehend my point of view, and so you accuse me of nothing.

Dump on the Jews of the Bible? Absolutely. It's what their Moses and a few others did as well.

And you’re unable to comprehend my point of view. The Jews who converted to Jesus indeed were destroyed (in terms of being Jewish). Fortunately, they were a small minority of Jews.

And it is very offensive for you to lecture Jews on our religion. How’d you like it if I said that you’re being ridiculous worshipping a poor carpenter who died 2,000 years ago?

 

[norwegen]

And you’re unable to comprehend my point of view. The Jews who converted to Jesus indeed were destroyed (in terms of being Jewish). Fortunately, they were a small minority of Jews.

And it is very offensive for you to lecture Jews on our religion. How’d you like it if I said that you’re being ridiculous worshipping a poor carpenter who died 2,000 years ago?

Converting from Moses to Jesus is destruction? Converts to anything - are they destroyed, too? Conversion is voluntary; that's not destruction. But if that's the world you live in . . .

I don't think being accused of worshiping a poor carpenter who died 2,000 years ago would offend me. It's what I do.

Part of that reverence leads me to understand his background - his history and culture, the Hebrew Bible. If I don't understand it, why not just tell me where I'm wrong rather than squawk over my take on it.

 

[luiza]

You are pretty much what I suspected

You would never correctly guess.

Look out for Ramtha's , Beginners Guide to Creating Reality from the School of Enlightenment .
They know me at Yelm , Washington .

Ask for the English healer---- the one who is channeled through JZ Knight .

 

[Foxfyre]

He’s not the only Christian who insists that. We had another one upthread who just said Christianity is the only true religion and everyone else’s is false.

I have been condemned by other Christians because I believe there are at least some elements of truth/benefit/righteousness in almost all religions and I can happily allow people harmless beliefs that I do not share myself. If they believe their denomination or religious discipline is the only right one, I allow them that. I don't have to believe their opinions of me and mine or let that bother me.

I am probably enlightened because my life experience has exposed me to so many many differing religious disciplines and I have enjoyed having that experience.

So the LDS folks, the flat Earthers, the most dogmatic charismatic, the most staunchly religious Roman Catholic, the Protestant groups who think all the rest of us are going to hell have no threat from me. If pushed and appropriate I might debate them on this or that point so long as that debate remains friendly and non confrontational. I might tell them I can't accept this or that belief myself, but I won't put them down because they believe it.

As for the Jews, I believe there would be no Christians had there been no Jewish history. I do not expect someone like you to accept my Christian beliefs that depart from orthodox Judaism, but in my perspective I cannot separate the two. I have a JudeoChristian faith and I think most Christians also do whether or not they acknowledge that.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Jews who converted to Jesus indeed were destroyed (in terms of being Jewish). Fortunately, they were a small minority of Jews

Only in the eyes of the modern Jew
You seem to tolerate atheistic Jews they're still Jews, right?

Was Karl Marx a Jew?

To the modern practicing Jew, following your accepted RELIGION is what makes you a Jew. But that's not the definition of Jew.

A Jew is on of the 12 Tribes, specifically a child of JUDAH.

A Jew who follows that JEWISH carpenter is still a Jew every bit as much as Larry David and Christopher Hitchens