What makes you support one or the other?

[Beelzebub]

As it stands now, many Palestinians lack not only a homeland, but citizenship in any state.

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As it stands now, many Palestinians lack not only a homeland, but citizenship in any state.

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

I challenge you to prove it.

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Yeah, lets step away from the Protocols there buddy.

What protocols?

You're kidding, right? What you are being spoon fed is this:

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You peddling some fantasy there are you?
I'm not a Dan Brown fan. Never read them. Not interested.

I describe what Israel does. If you want to say they are the same as some dramatically named document, then ok. It makes no difference.

 

[Beelzebub]

As it stands now, many Palestinians lack not only a homeland, but citizenship in any state.

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

I challenge you to prove it.

Who to?

In any case, you are a complete dildo. Here is the relevant proof, which I don't expect you for a second to acknowledge, because, you are the damned liar, referred to above.:

immigration to israel

Israel immigration policy is very strict.

If you are not Jewish (yourself, your parents or your grandparents), married to a Jew or an Israeli citizen / resident it will be almost impossible for you to obtain an Israeli citizenship.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Yeah, lets step away from the Protocols there buddy.

What protocols?

You're kidding, right? What you are being spoon fed is this:

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You peddling some fantasy there are you?
I'm not a Dan Brown fan. Never read them. Not interested.

I describe what Israel does. If you want to say they are the same as some dramatically named document, then ok. It makes no difference.

You are being a troll. Basically you are indirectly citing century old propaganda.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As it stands now, many Palestinians lack not only a homeland, but citizenship in any state.

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

I challenge you to prove it.

Who to?

In any case, you are a complete dildo. Here is the relevant proof, which I don't expect you for a second to acknowledge, because, you are the damned liar, referred to above.:

immigration to israel

Israel immigration policy is very strict.

If you are not Jewish (yourself, your parents or your grandparents), married to a Jew or an Israeli citizen / resident it will be almost impossible for you to obtain an Israeli citizenship.

"Israel’s Law of Return grants automatic citizenship to Jews, but non-Jews are also eligible to become citizens under naturalization procedures similar to those in other countries. Israel’s policy is not unique; many other countries, including Germany, Greece, Ireland and Finland have special categories of people who are entitled to citizenship.

More than one million Muslim and Christian Arabs, Druze, Baha’is, Circassians and other ethnic groups also are represented in Israel’s population. The presence in Israel of thousands of Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen and India is the best refutation of the calumny against Zionism. In a series of historic airlifts, labeled Operations Moses (1984), Joshua (1985) and Solomon (1991), Israel rescued more than 20,000 members of the ancient Ethiopian Jewish community."

Myths Facts Israel s Roots Chapter 1 Jewish Virtual Library

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Beelzebub]

You are being a troll. Basically you are indirectly citing century old propaganda.

No. You are.
I am describing what Israel has done since 1948.

 

[Beelzebub]

As it stands now, many Palestinians lack not only a homeland, but citizenship in any state.

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

I challenge you to prove it.

Who to?

In any case, you are a complete dildo. Here is the relevant proof, which I don't expect you for a second to acknowledge, because, you are the damned liar, referred to above.:

immigration to israel

Israel immigration policy is very strict.

If you are not Jewish (yourself, your parents or your grandparents), married to a Jew or an Israeli citizen / resident it will be almost impossible for you to obtain an Israeli citizenship.

"Israel’s Law of Return grants automatic citizenship to Jews, but non-Jews are also eligible to become citizens under naturalization procedures similar to those in other countries. Israel’s policy is not unique; many other countries, including Germany, Greece, Ireland and Finland have special categories of people who are entitled to citizenship.

More than one million Muslim and Christian Arabs, Druze, Baha’is, Circassians and other ethnic groups also are represented in Israel’s population. The presence in Israel of thousands of Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen and India is the best refutation of the calumny against Zionism. In a series of historic airlifts, labeled Operations Moses (1984), Joshua (1985) and Solomon (1991), Israel rescued more than 20,000 members of the ancient Ethiopian Jewish community."

Myths Facts Israel s Roots Chapter 1 Jewish Virtual Library

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

See the website "to help foreigners apply for Israeli citizenship", duffus.

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

Bullshit ! We had this argument before and you never provided a link. I provided several links of attacks against Jews starting before 1900 up until 1939.
Stop lying

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

And there was no invasion. An invasion is a military offensive. European Jews were simply migrating mainly because the British promised them a homeland.
The attacks against Jews that I posted were not 'defense' attacks. They were massacres against Jews, plain and simple.
Every time someone brings up an Arab attack, you claim it's self defense but a Jewish attack is considered aggression by your part. In other words, you are extremely bias

 

[Beelzebub]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

Bullshit ! We had this argument before and you never provided a link. I provided several links of attacks against Jews starting before 1900 up until 1939.
Stop lying

Hahaha!

Toasty is claiming that because people didn't come back with the last word, they lose!
He completely forgets his debating dementia doesn't allows him to referee the result.

A sad waste of a young life.

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Unless we can ALL quit harking back to ancient history there is very little point in discussing anything.

100 years ago the Germans killed a large number of my family. Should I still mention it at every opportunity whenever I meet a German?

I am an immigrant. I live in a country that is not my homeland. I am very much a minority here. Yes I do face racism from time to time, but I also make every effort to be part of the community, part of the country that I live in. Whatever 'history' there has been really doesn't make a difference, it's what the future holds that matters.

I was just refuting Beezle's post

You never refute anything Toasty. You just waffle on, missing the point, and making dodgy statements which don't reflect on the issues.

But carry on. Your total faith in your posts is fascinating.

Sure I do. But as I have said before, you are simply unable to accept the truth.

As a matter of fact, you just described yourself, and this post of yours is a perfect example.

 

[Beelzebub]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

And there was no invasion. An invasion is a military offensive. European Jews were simply migrating mainly because the British promised them a homeland.
The attacks against Jews that I posted were not 'defense' attacks. They were massacres against Jews, plain and simple.
Every time someone brings up an Arab attack, you claim it's self defense but a Jewish attack is considered aggression by your part. In other words, you are extremely bias

Toasty toasty toasty.

You do know you are not allowed to redefine words to your liking in this way, don't you?

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

Bullshit ! We had this argument before and you never provided a link. I provided several links of attacks against Jews starting before 1900 up until 1939.
Stop lying

Hahaha!

Toasty is claiming that because people didn't come back with the last word, they lose!
He completely forgets his debating dementia doesn't allows him to referee the result.

A sad waste of a young life.

*yawn*. I guess you never took my advice and saw a therapist??

Where did I claim anything you just said? It's almost as if you post the first thing that comes to your mind. Like I said, this site should have a high school diploma as a minimum requirement so idiots like you can't post here. That would make this forum a whole lot better. No immature trolling from the Weezle.

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

And there was no invasion. An invasion is a military offensive. European Jews were simply migrating mainly because the British promised them a homeland.
The attacks against Jews that I posted were not 'defense' attacks. They were massacres against Jews, plain and simple.
Every time someone brings up an Arab attack, you claim it's self defense but a Jewish attack is considered aggression by your part. In other words, you are extremely bias

Toasty toasty toasty.

You do know you are not allowed to redefine words to your liking in this way, don't you?

Invasion - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

An invasion is a military offensive in which large parts of combatants of one geopoliticalentity aggressively enter territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof

*yawn*

 

[toastman]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

False. Jews were massacred several times before any Arab was killed, dating back to before 1900.
Also, the first war Israel fought was the 1948 Arab Israeli war which was instigated by 5 Arab nations.

Jewish settlers were killing the locals from the moment they started migrating to Palestine in the late 1800s. In any case, the indigenous people defending their lands and homes from an invasion of people from another continent can't, by definition, be the aggressor. It's Orwellian double-speak to call the inidgenous Christians and Muslims the aggressors. It would be like calling the native americans the aggressors because they resisted the Spanish, French and British settlers.

And there was no invasion. An invasion is a military offensive. European Jews were simply migrating mainly because the British promised them a homeland.
The attacks against Jews that I posted were not 'defense' attacks. They were massacres against Jews, plain and simple.
Every time someone brings up an Arab attack, you claim it's self defense but a Jewish attack is considered aggression by your part. In other words, you are extremely bias

Toasty toasty toasty.

You do know you are not allowed to redefine words to your liking in this way, don't you?

Funny, because I've been telling this to propaganda - tici for a while now

 

[Beelzebub]

*yawn*

I know I have given you the lesson on dictionaries before Tossy, but it seems you fail that test once more and try to impose your own definitions.

I would love to waste my time by rubbing your nose in your idiocy again, but you are too insensible to notice. Just go find a good dictionary, and read through to delight yourself with uses of the words "invader" and "invasion" which don't fit your entirely limited requirements (and outlook).

As to your "yawn" RADA auditions, I don't know if you realise, but making an effort to insert a description of what you are doing does nothing to indicate boredom. Only desperation to pretend you are suffering from boredom. Why do you work so hard to try to deceive Tossy?
Are you just not willing to deal with Israel as the tyrannical gangster state that it is?

Get a grip mate. Get a grip.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are being a troll. Basically you are indirectly citing century old propaganda.

No. You are.
I am describing what Israel has done since 1948.

Of course you are. I've been studying and immersing myself in the machinations of the conflict for well over three years. Arabs started this conflict hands down, and it goes back to 1920:

March 1, 1920: Arabs initiated the conflict with the Battle of Tel Hai killing 8 Jews.

April 4, 1920: Arabs were responsible for inciting the Nebi Musa riots, which killed 4 Jews and wounded 218 more.

August 1, 1921: Arabs incite the Jaffa riots, killing 45 Jews and wounding 140 more.

August 23, 1929: Arabs incite the Palestine riots, killing 133 Jews and wounding 339 more.

August 29, 1929: Arabs participated in the Saffed massacre, killing 20 Jews and wounding 80 more.

Eight years later, on Sunday, November 14, 1937, the Irgun retaliate by killing 10 Arabs in an attack in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Known as "Black Sunday."

October 2, 1938: Arabs participate in the Tiberias pogrom massacre, killing 19 Jews.

Eleven years later, December 26, 1947, 7 Jews are killed while driving a convoy en route to Jerusalem. This is viewed as the official start of the conflict.

January 3, 1948: Arab Militants kill 7 Jews.

So, where does that leave you, my friend?

 

[TemplarKormac]

All they need do is apply for citizenship in Israel. It's immigration policy is rather non discriminatory. ....

Ah.
You reveal yourself to be a damn liar.

I challenge you to prove it.

Who to?

In any case, you are a complete dildo. Here is the relevant proof, which I don't expect you for a second to acknowledge, because, you are the damned liar, referred to above.:

immigration to israel

Israel immigration policy is very strict.

If you are not Jewish (yourself, your parents or your grandparents), married to a Jew or an Israeli citizen / resident it will be almost impossible for you to obtain an Israeli citizenship.

"Israel’s Law of Return grants automatic citizenship to Jews, but non-Jews are also eligible to become citizens under naturalization procedures similar to those in other countries. Israel’s policy is not unique; many other countries, including Germany, Greece, Ireland and Finland have special categories of people who are entitled to citizenship.

More than one million Muslim and Christian Arabs, Druze, Baha’is, Circassians and other ethnic groups also are represented in Israel’s population. The presence in Israel of thousands of Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen and India is the best refutation of the calumny against Zionism. In a series of historic airlifts, labeled Operations Moses (1984), Joshua (1985) and Solomon (1991), Israel rescued more than 20,000 members of the ancient Ethiopian Jewish community."

Myths Facts Israel s Roots Chapter 1 Jewish Virtual Library

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

See the website "to help foreigners apply for Israeli citizenship", duffus.

You do realize that Arabs base citizenship on parentage, right? Ha!

 

[Beelzebub]

You are being a troll. Basically you are indirectly citing century old propaganda.

No. You are.
I am describing what Israel has done since 1948.

Of course you are. I've been studying and immersing myself in the machinations of the conflict for well over three years. Arabs started this conflict hands down, and it goes back to 1920:

March 1, 1920: Arabs initiated the conflict with the Battle of Tel Hai killing 8 Jews.

April 4, 1920: Arabs were responsible for inciting the Nebi Musa riots, which killed 4 Jews and wounded 218 more.

August 1, 1921: Arabs incite the Jaffa riots, killing 45 Jews and wounding 140 more.

August 23, 1929: Arabs incite the Palestine riots, killing 133 Jews and wounding 339 more.

August 29, 1929: Arabs participated in the Saffed massacre, killing 20 Jews and wounding 80 more.

Eight years later, on Sunday, November 14, 1937, the Irgun retaliate by killing 10 Arabs in an attack in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Known as "Black Sunday."

October 2, 1938: Arabs participate in the Tiberias pogrom massacre, killing 19 Jews.

Eleven years later, December 26, 1947, 7 Jews are killed while driving a convoy en route to Jerusalem. This is viewed as the official start of the conflict.

January 3, 1948: Arab Militants kill 7 Jews.

So, where does that leave you, my friend?

Over 3 years! My my. So much history eh?

That "leaves me" having shown you in your first posts that I bothered - unwisely - to read, having shamed you by pointing out that you were a damned liar then having shown it.

As to your timeline. Thank you. It doesn't begin to explain the reaction you would expect from the indigenous population to a malicious and malevolent invasion of Europeans who intend (and largely succeeded) in evicting those who had every natural right to the land and territory. It is also massively convenient in picking a starting point while ignoring the multiple incitements by Zionists both immediately before an Palestinian reaction, but also misses out the trail of incitements since, whereby Israel has actively planned to increase its domain through war and murder.

So it leaves me wondering if you really think your massively long "3 years" is really something to boast about? What is that? 20% of your life?