What makes you support one or the other?

[teddyearp]

As has been adequately pointed out Hebrews were in the area around Moses arrival. Jews were not.

And just what kind of point are you trying to make here? Hebrews=Jews. Or did you miss that part of your history lesson?

 

[Humanity]

As to 'credibility' ... you who came here pretending you were 'neutral' on the I/P topic, then we find not only do you argue for the manifest fascism of Israel's occupation and murders, but you are professionally employed to send tourists to Israel to help bolster their theft-and-handout-based economy.

You began with no credibility, and have reduced it since.

This is not the subject of this thread, forgive me Humanity, but I don't know how else to answer this.

Beezlebub, I came here with neutrality and still attempt to maintain it, however after seeing posts like yours and those who post like you I have found it hard to maintain when all the links and searches I have done as a result of info posted by some of you have led me into lies, half-truths, and 'conspiracy' theories; and being accused of being professionally employed to post as I do just bolsters my beliefs. That is my 'Cliff Notes' version.

No forgiveness needed!

I am surprised at your "neutrality", as I thought you had a 'leaning' toward one side more than the other.

That is no criticism, simply a comment...

I came here with no "neutrality" but I did come with an open mind...

However it's dressed up, peace is best!

Far too many belligerents here just looking to continue the conflict.

 

[TemplarKormac]

However it's dressed up, peace is best!

Says the guy/gal flying the Palestinian flag in their sig line.

 

[teddyearp]

No forgiveness needed!

I am surprised at your "neutrality", as I thought you had a 'leaning' toward one side more than the other.

That is no criticism, simply a comment...

I came here with no "neutrality" but I did come with an open mind...

However it's dressed up, peace is best!

Far too many belligerents here just looking to continue the conflict.

As far as my neutrality, you missed some of my earliest posts here. I did come here with somewhat of a bias towards Israel, but tried to be open minded as well. At one point I did create a "solution" thread about removing the (west bank) settlements or at the least freezing them. That fell flat with much berating, surprisingly from the pro-Pali side.

But since I have become a victim somewhat to the belligerents as well.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But you didn't answer the question...

By my posts alone I should have. That, or you're too lazy to read through your own thread.

You lack any objectivity by advocating the Palestinian right of return in your sig line. I would be more inclined to believe you if you didn't. Understand?

 

[toastman]

*yawn*

I know I have given you the lesson on dictionaries before Tossy, but it seems you fail that test once more and try to impose your own definitions.
I would love to waste my time by rubbing your nose in your idiocy again, but you are too insensible to notice. Just go find a good dictionary, and read through to delight yourself with uses of the words "invader" and "invasion" which don't fit your entirely limited requirements (and outlook).

As to your "yawn" RADA auditions, I don't know if you realise, but making an effort to insert a description of what you are doing does nothing to indicate boredom. Only desperation to pretend you are suffering from boredom. Why do you work so hard to try to deceive Tossy?
Are you just not willing to deal with Israel as the tyrannical gangster state that it is?

Get a grip mate. Get a grip.

Lets go back a little bit. In Monti's post that I responded to, I explained what an invasion is. You responded to me by accusing me of imposing my own definitions. I responded by posting a link for the definition of invasion, and it matched what I said therefore proving your accusation to be bullshit.
Your response is above.

I notice that when your lies are refuted, you respond by deflecting and posting complete drek. I guess that's one of your techniques that you use when you've just been made a fool of

And you tell me to get a grip ??? Oh Weezle Weezle Weezle

 

[Humanity]

But you didn't answer the question...

By my posts alone I should have. That, or you're too lazy to read through your own thread.

You lack any objectivity by advocating the Palestinian right of return in your sig line. I would be more inclined to believe you if you didn't. Understand?

No sorry, you didnt answer the opening post question.

 

[Humanity]

However it's dressed up, peace is best!

Says the guy/gal flying the Palestinian flag in their sig line.

What does my sig line have to do with "peace is best"?

You don't think peace is best?

 

[aris2chat]

I thought this might an interesting topic...

It appears that there are a great many people involved on this forum who have little or NO connection with Israel or the Palestinians yet have incredibly strong views one side or the other...

So, without any name calling or propaganda, if thats possible...

I have no connection with either Israel or the Palestinians. I have been to Israel and it's neighbouring countries.

I support the plight of the Palestinian people NOT their leaders, Hamas. I have many Jewish friends, Muslim friends and friends of many other religions...

I do not support nor condone any form of violence or terrorism from either side.

My support for the Palestinian people is in the hope that one day, there will be peace in the region and where there is no oppression, no fear...

The occupation of territories by Israel needs to be addressed. The 'blockade' of Gaza should end and a genuine path to a proper solution should be sought, unconditionally.

Do I have the answers? No.

I consider that both side have 'extremists' who block the path to peace, mainly for their own agendas. I do feel that, from the Muslim extremist side, they do not want to have Israel there, from the Israeli side they do not want Muslims there... Both extremists want to see the demise of the other. In what ever form that takes.

Please, if you have nothing interesting to contribute, simply move along rather than posting hate and propaganda, that applies to all!

People choose to do the right thing. All three major religions care about the middle east. Some have a protective instinct of human beings that have been persecuted. People who have traveled, worked or fought and have more knowledge of what is happening. Of course those who grew up there or in households with strong ties to the region and those who have educational background on the issues. There are always those who just like to be involved in controversy or to make trouble, they have nothing better to do. Everyone should have a reason to voice an opinion, not always an educated one but that is how people learn by engaging with others pro, con or in between.

 

[Roudy]

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth - Lenin"

I fixed my sig line just for you.

Humanity, IMHO you are fast loosing any credibility when you allow folks like Beezlebub, Monti, Penelope, etc. to go against the theme of your thread, yet call others who are pro Israel in for it.

Funnier!
Repeat that a lot Teddy. As much as you can. Maybe it will become true.
However, the quote will be Lenin, not me.

As to 'credibility' ... you who came here pretending you were 'neutral' on the I/P topic, then we find not only do you argue for the manifest fascism of Israel's occupation and murders, but you are professionally employed to send tourists to Israel to help bolster their theft-and-handout-based economy.

You began with no credibility, and have reduced it since.

Bamboozle Bub: "manifest fascism of Israel's occupation and murders, but you are professionally employed to send tourists to Israel to help bolster their theft-and-handout-based economy...blah blah blah"

Hilarious! Bamboozle is preaching us about "credibility" while he vomits this neo Nazi anti Semite garbage. I give Bamboozle an A for entertainment value!

 

[Roudy]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Yeah, lets step away from the Protocols there buddy.

He probably copied and pasted this from one of these Nazi filth sites.

 

[Roudy]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Yeah, lets step away from the Protocols there buddy.

What protocols?

You're kidding, right? What you are being spoon fed is this:

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You peddling some fantasy there are you?
I'm not a Dan Brown fan. Never read them. Not interested.

I describe what Israel does. If you want to say they are the same as some dramatically named document, then ok. It makes no difference.

And yet....non of the Arab neighbors will absorb them, while about 2 million of them are valid Israeli citizens with full rights. Now that's some funny Shiite.

 

[Roudy]

It doesn't begin to explain the reaction you would expect from the indigenous population to a malicious and malevolent invasion of Europeans who intend (and largely succeeded) in evicting those who had every natural right to the land and territory.

Sure, or it states the fact that the first six attacks and massacres were initiated by the Arabs. Let me remind you that Jews were the first inhabitants of the land of Israel, nearly 3700 years ago. Palestinians can only trace their ties to the land to the Conquests of Muhammad, a thousand years ago.

You are lying through your teeth.

Mohammad never conquered Palestine / Israel, nor did he set foot in it. Otherwise he would have mention "Palestine" in the Koran. Truth is the Palestinians are a made up identity of recent 20th century Arab invaders.

 

[Roudy]

Wow... Is there anyone over the age of 13 posting here?

With the exception of one or two how have posted here...

You are all a bunch of delinquent tossers!

You're one to talk.

Yes I am...

And?

And you try to project an aura of objectivity, whilst flying a Palestinian flag in your sig line...

Objective my ass. He is projecting Taquiah, the Muslim art of lying to the infidel in the name of Islam.

 

[Roudy]

You're one to talk.

Yes I am...

And?

And you try to project an aura of objectivity, whilst flying a Palestinian flag in your sig line...

In the OP I made my stance very clear...

And?

And your objective stance loses all credibility because of such.

"Free Palestine?" Just what is objective about that?

Did you read the title of the OP?

"What makes you support one or the other?"

Did you answer yet?

Which you didn't tell us why. You just rambled on about the occupation and the blockade as usual.

 

[Humanity]

Yes I am...

And?

And you try to project an aura of objectivity, whilst flying a Palestinian flag in your sig line...

In the OP I made my stance very clear...

And?

And your objective stance loses all credibility because of such.

"Free Palestine?" Just what is objective about that?

Did you read the title of the OP?

"What makes you support one or the other?"

Did you answer yet?

Which you didn't tell us why. You just rambled on about the occupation and the blockade as usual.

Did you answer the question?

 

[TemplarKormac]

What does my sig line have to do with "peace is best"?

You don't think peace is best?

Given what the Palestinian version of 'peace' is... no.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Yeah, lets step away from the Protocols there buddy.

What protocols?

You're kidding, right? What you are being spoon fed is this:

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You peddling some fantasy there are you?
I'm not a Dan Brown fan. Never read them. Not interested.

I describe what Israel does. If you want to say they are the same as some dramatically named document, then ok. It makes no difference.

And yet....non of the Arab neighbors will absorb them, while about 2 million of them are valid Israeli citizens with full rights. Now that's some funny Shiite.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, and then morons on this board ask "Why don't you leave, why you stay there?"

I mean, what the actual fuck? seriously.

I've created a monster!

I'm sorry Board, I had no idea I was this influential.

 

[Roudy]

And you try to project an aura of objectivity, whilst flying a Palestinian flag in your sig line...

In the OP I made my stance very clear...

And?

And your objective stance loses all credibility because of such.

"Free Palestine?" Just what is objective about that?

Did you read the title of the OP?

"What makes you support one or the other?"

Did you answer yet?

Which you didn't tell us why. You just rambled on about the occupation and the blockade as usual.

Did you answer the question?

I don't have to. It's obvious who the good guys are in this conflict. I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not, like you are.

I'm a Zionist and proud to be one. The Jews have every right to have their own state in land that has been holy to them for over 3000 years. And to defend themselves against all those that seek to destroy them. Period, end of story.