What makes you support one or the other?

[montelatici]

The Europeans abused the Christians and Muslims as early as the late 1800s. The Christians and Muslims responded.

 

[toastman]

The Europeans abused the Christians and Muslims as early as the late 1800s. The Christians and Muslims responded.

Massacres are one thing. Acting like an asshole is another.

We're talking about massacres...killing....murder.....DEATH

 

[Roudy]

You are being a troll. Basically you are indirectly citing century old propaganda.

No. You are.
I am describing what Israel has done since 1948.

Of course you are. I've been studying and immersing myself in the machinations of the conflict for well over three years. Arabs started this conflict hands down, and it goes back to 1920:

March 1, 1920: Arabs initiated the conflict with the Battle of Tel Hai killing 8 Jews.

April 4, 1920: Arabs were responsible for inciting the Nebi Musa riots, which killed 4 Jews and wounded 218 more.

August 1, 1921: Arabs incite the Jaffa riots, killing 45 Jews and wounding 140 more.

August 23, 1929: Arabs incite the Palestine riots, killing 133 Jews and wounding 339 more.

August 29, 1929: Arabs participated in the Saffed massacre, killing 20 Jews and wounding 80 more.

Eight years later, on Sunday, November 14, 1937, the Irgun retaliate by killing 10 Arabs in an attack in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Known as "Black Sunday."

October 2, 1938: Arabs participate in the Tiberias pogrom massacre, killing 19 Jews.

Eleven years later, December 26, 1947, 7 Jews are killed while driving a convoy en route to Jerusalem. This is viewed as the official start of the conflict.

January 3, 1948: Arab Militants kill 7 Jews.

So, where does that leave you, my friend?

You left out a whole bunch of stuff: List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The first six attacks were by Arabs, Coyote. Where do you think I got the list from? It shows right off hand the Arabs were the ones who initiated the conflict. They were inciting riots and massacres a decade before the Jews responded.

Have you checked out pre-Mandate Palestine?
Just because those are the first of the mandated territory it doesn't mean it was the start of hostilities.

In any case, I would condemn the Arab killings of Jews at the start of that list. There will have been a better solution to whatever grievance or vendetta.

The real issue is the forced immigration of hundreds of thousands more - clearly unwelcome - European settlers in the 1930's and 1940's. There is no excuse for the forcing themselves in to take the land. Not even those within the Mandate quota. Once out of Occupied Germany going to conquer and occupy someone else's land is unforgivable.

Pre mandate it wasn't even called Palestine. The Ottoman Turks called it Southern Syria for 700 years. Hence the land never belonged to the Arabs who suddenly decided to call themselves Palestinians in the 1960's. They had invaded the land in the 20th century.

 

[Roudy]

The Europeans abused the Christians and Muslims as early as the late 1800s. The Christians and Muslims responded.

Ha ha ha. So there weren't any Jews there at all? Fucking anti Semitic liar.

 

[montelatici]

You are making things up as usual Rowdy. The fact is, the Jews came from Europe, another continent, and invaded Palestine. That's just a fact.

 

[montelatici]

The Europeans abused the Christians and Muslims as early as the late 1800s. The Christians and Muslims responded.

Ha ha ha. So there weren't any Jews there at all? Fucking anti Semitic liar.

The European Jews started invading in the late 1800s, just a fact.

 

[Roudy]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

Hey nice swimsuit! I have one just like that! Ha ha ha.

What has Israel stolen then, that was not theirs to begin with.

The West Bank, basically.

Historically, Jews have never really lived in any of the land except Jericho. There is really no question amongst Israelis that towns like Nablus and Ramallah are Palestinian towns, anymore so than there is any question amongst Palestinians that Tel Aviv or Qiryat Shemonah are Jewish areas.

I don't see this issue as being particularly complex. It may be that a just settlement would see Israel now keep 10% - 15% of the West Bank and trade land for it, and in some cases that might be best for everyone, but I don't think anyone who really understands a thing about this conflict honestly believes a town like Nablus belongs in Israel.

There isn't suppose to be an Israel until Jesus comes back to personally found it, that which claims to be Israel is plain and simply a biblical abomination.

Nope. You got your order of the prophecy wrong, wrong Nazi boy. Jews gather in the promised land, a world wide battle ensues with an evil entity in which all nations fall (including USA), and the only ones left standing in this "Armageddon" are the Jews.

Is it possible that anyone can be more delusional (or childish) as Rowdy?

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

What have you disproved?

Yeah, well if you think I'm delusional, why don't you post what Christians think is the role of Israel in Bible prophecy?

How come there is no "Palestine" in the New and Old Testament Bibles, as well as the Koran? Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Islam is a cancer on humanity.

The attacks on Israel are based on Muslim supremacy, the concept as Arafat put it that "not one grain of sand in Muslim lands shall by governed by Kafir,"

This attitude of eternal war against any who fail to bow to the supremacy of Islam is a great evil which decent people must resist.

The Muslims have 99.9% of the middle east, but will never stop fighting until the deprive the Jews of tiny Israel.

Islam disgusts me.

True that.

Amin Al Husseini Nazi Father of Jihad Al Qaeda Arafat Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood - Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage

 

[RoshanNair]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

Hey nice swimsuit! I have one just like that! Ha ha ha.

What has Israel stolen then, that was not theirs to begin with.

The West Bank, basically.

Historically, Jews have never really lived in any of the land except Jericho. There is really no question amongst Israelis that towns like Nablus and Ramallah are Palestinian towns, anymore so than there is any question amongst Palestinians that Tel Aviv or Qiryat Shemonah are Jewish areas.

I don't see this issue as being particularly complex. It may be that a just settlement would see Israel now keep 10% - 15% of the West Bank and trade land for it, and in some cases that might be best for everyone, but I don't think anyone who really understands a thing about this conflict honestly believes a town like Nablus belongs in Israel.

There isn't suppose to be an Israel until Jesus comes back to personally found it, that which claims to be Israel is plain and simply a biblical abomination.

Nope. You got your order of the prophecy wrong, wrong Nazi boy. Jews gather in the promised land, a world wide battle ensues with an evil entity in which all nations fall (including USA), and the only ones left standing in this "Armageddon" are the Jews.

Is it possible that anyone can be more delusional (or childish) as Rowdy?

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

What have you disproved?

Yeah, well if you think I'm delusional, why don't you post what Christians think is the role of Israel in Bible prophecy?

How come there is no "Palestine" in the New and Old Testament Bibles, as well as the Koran? Ha ha ha.

Hahahaha, thanks bud! Lime green as well?

 

[Roudy]

You are making things up as usual Rowdy. The fact is, the Jews came from Europe, another continent, and invaded Palestine. That's just a fact.

Fucking liar.

There were Jews there already and who had kept a presence over the millennia.

Jews defended Hebron during the crusades, only to be ethnically cleansed by invading Muslim Arab animals in 1929.

Jews were majority population in Jerusalem in late 1800's.

Vast majority of those who call themselves Palestinians today are simply 20th century invaders from neighboring Arab countries.

True story dude.

 

[Roudy]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

Hey nice swimsuit! I have one just like that! Ha ha ha.

The West Bank, basically.

Historically, Jews have never really lived in any of the land except Jericho. There is really no question amongst Israelis that towns like Nablus and Ramallah are Palestinian towns, anymore so than there is any question amongst Palestinians that Tel Aviv or Qiryat Shemonah are Jewish areas.

I don't see this issue as being particularly complex. It may be that a just settlement would see Israel now keep 10% - 15% of the West Bank and trade land for it, and in some cases that might be best for everyone, but I don't think anyone who really understands a thing about this conflict honestly believes a town like Nablus belongs in Israel.

There isn't suppose to be an Israel until Jesus comes back to personally found it, that which claims to be Israel is plain and simply a biblical abomination.

Nope. You got your order of the prophecy wrong, wrong Nazi boy. Jews gather in the promised land, a world wide battle ensues with an evil entity in which all nations fall (including USA), and the only ones left standing in this "Armageddon" are the Jews.

Is it possible that anyone can be more delusional (or childish) as Rowdy?

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

What have you disproved?

Yeah, well if you think I'm delusional, why don't you post what Christians think is the role of Israel in Bible prophecy?

How come there is no "Palestine" in the New and Old Testament Bibles, as well as the Koran? Ha ha ha.

Hahahaha, thanks bud! Lime green as well?

Neon aqua.

 

[toastman]

You are making things up as usual Rowdy. The fact is, the Jews came from Europe, another continent, and invaded Palestine. That's just a fact.

No, that's not a fact. An invasion is a military offensive. Google "definition of invasion" and look at how every definition confirms what I said. An invasion is something that combatants take part in.
Know why they call it the 2003 "invasion" of Iraq? Exactly.

 

[Beelzebub]

in·vade
verb \in-ˈvād\
: to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force

: to enter (a place) in large numbers

: to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted)

in·vad·edin·vad·ing
infringe
3
a : to spread over or into as if invading : permeate <doubtsinvade his mind>

b : to affect injuriously and progressively <gangreneinvades healthy tissue>
— in·vad·er noun
See invade defined for English-language learners »
See invade defined for kids »
Examples of INVADE

1. The troops invaded at dawn.
2. When tourists invade, the town is a very different place.
3. The cancer eventually invaded the brain.
4. Weeds had invaded the garden.
5. Bacteria invaded and caused an infection.

Invade - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


These pitch invasions you keep hearing about:
How do they get all the weapons into the stadiums?

 

[Penelope]

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

When, you mean when the Jews first invaded Palestine?

I didn't realize immigration implied invasion. Thanks Penny, I've learnt something new.

Yes it was an invasion, not immigration, when they come in large numbers its an invasion. Britain said only so many a year, but they came in such large numbers they had to put them in camps on Cyprus. They made no illusions that they came in peace but to take over the land. They came with the "fighting spirit" with money from rich Jews in America and Rothschilds help.

More of the same ludicrous metric from you. So the millions of refugees from war-torn lands who try and seek asylum in a particular country are actually hostile invaders? Those Holocaust survivors had malicious intents in clamoring to go to Palestine, instead of trying to save their lives and that of their families?

The holocaust gives them no right to own Palestine, over 65 mil people died in that war, this is a bunch of crap, they get Palestine since they suffered in WWII, which millions of people deid. Sorry for their tale of woe, but Zionism begun in the late 1800's not during and after WWII. If anything the Zionist have WWII to thank for the sympathy which they have playing on and on and for all the money they sucked out of Germany with is still going on.

 

[Lipush]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

It's like encountering a member of the flat earth society and mentioning the earth is round.

When cult members have their faith refuted, they just dig in their heels, double down and hang on to their fantasies even harder.

This particular fantasy that the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians are these perfect angels and lived in a utopian world filled with flowers and unicorns until the big, bad Jews came along and ruined it all for the world's most perfect beings -- well, I suspect what ails these cultists is a lot more involved than mere politics.

Who said the Palestinians were "angels" or that the ME was ever a utopia? What are you smoking?

Are you blind? didn't you read the Pro-Hamas apologists on this board?

 

[Lipush]

in·vade
verb \in-ˈvād\
: to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force

: to enter (a place) in large numbers

: to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted)

in·vad·edin·vad·ing
infringe
3
a : to spread over or into as if invading : permeate <doubtsinvade his mind>

b : to affect injuriously and progressively <gangreneinvades healthy tissue>
— in·vad·er noun
See invade defined for English-language learners »
See invade defined for kids »
Examples of INVADE

1. The troops invaded at dawn.
2. When tourists invade, the town is a very different place.
3. The cancer eventually invaded the brain.
4. Weeds had invaded the garden.
5. Bacteria invaded and caused an infection.

Invade - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


These pitch invasions you keep hearing about:
How do they get all the weapons into the stadiums?

Then why do the Palestinians call themselves the invaders?

 

[Beelzebub]

Then why do the Palestinians call themselves the invaders?

Link?

 

[Coyote]

Thread closed per request of OP - has been significantly derailed off topic.