What makes you support one or the other?

[Humanity]

I thought this might an interesting topic...

It appears that there are a great many people involved on this forum who have little or NO connection with Israel or the Palestinians yet have incredibly strong views one side or the other...

So, without any name calling or propaganda, if thats possible...

I have no connection with either Israel or the Palestinians. I have been to Israel and it's neighbouring countries.

I support the plight of the Palestinian people NOT their leaders, Hamas. I have many Jewish friends, Muslim friends and friends of many other religions...

I do not support nor condone any form of violence or terrorism from either side.

My support for the Palestinian people is in the hope that one day, there will be peace in the region and where there is no oppression, no fear...

The occupation of territories by Israel needs to be addressed. The 'blockade' of Gaza should end and a genuine path to a proper solution should be sought, unconditionally.

Do I have the answers? No.

I consider that both side have 'extremists' who block the path to peace, mainly for their own agendas. I do feel that, from the Muslim extremist side, they do not want to have Israel there, from the Israeli side they do not want Muslims there... Both extremists want to see the demise of the other. In what ever form that takes.

Please, if you have nothing interesting to contribute, simply move along rather than posting hate and propaganda, that applies to all!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

 

[Daniyel]

Interesting topic.
I served 3 years in the Border Police and I'm interested in politics and people in general which is why I'm naturally obsessive about the conflict.
I've learned alot about the conflict yet every day I'm learning something new which makes me realize the complicity of the conflict and the much I'm probably still missing.
I Don't support any violence against innocents although I know violence is the only solution to violence, this is the way of the world.
I Also believe that it doesn't matter which side you belong to and the way you represented but onlu the inner intent you strive for.
With the current situation?
I Truly believe there is always a solution.

 

[Mineva]

Justice makes us to support one over the other. Nothing other than the justice. Does not matter which religion, which ethnic origin, which financial statue etc.

 

[Beelzebub]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

Fighting now is the making of the Palestinians. If Israel capitulates, Israel ceases to exist. If the Palestinians capitulate there's peace. Not more complicated than that. Unfortunately, the people behind the Palestinian curtain aren't also in the territories so have no reason to give up. Then can pick the scab open as it were indefinately.

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel can only survive in a corrupted international system.
It has striven to further corrupt the world at a time when there were various moves (post WWII) to make sure there are strong international institutional bodies championing consistent and generally fair laws.

Israel has championed theft and annexation through force, occupation, assassination, being false to allies, racism, murder, mass spying, totalitarian control of populations, calling war of aggression "preemptive action", disproportionate attacks, collective punishment for populations, confounding law, side-lining justice, torture, imprisonment of children, bribery and extortion, and STILL persuades its (Israeli) population to support it as they are made to bleed and pay massively inflated prices, so the richest powerful people can be richer and more powerful.

And they claim the state has a religious foundation!

Israel: Twinned with Mordor.

 

[Beelzebub]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

Fighting now is the making of the Palestinians. If Israel capitulates, Israel ceases to exist. If the Palestinians capitulate there's peace. Not more complicated than that. Unfortunately, the people behind the Palestinian curtain aren't also in the territories so have no reason to give up. Then can pick the scab open as it were indefinately.

That turns reality on its head. Every time there is peace Israel takes another piece.
Never has Palestine taken a piece of Israel land through force of arms. Never.

You are not mistaken Delta. You just lie.

 

[gipper]

If radical Islam were eliminated, peace would prevail in Israel and much of the world. Until then, only war will occur.

 

[Saigon]

Most people who support one or the other do so precisely because they do not understand the conflict and have no stake in it.

In reality, there is no good guy here; no black or white.

It's a brutal, cruel war that leaves most people who see it close up both respecting and feeling repulsed by both sides.

 

[gipper]

Most people who support one or the other do so precisely because they do not understand the conflict and have no stake in it.

In reality, there is no good guy here; no black or white.

It's a brutal, cruel war that leaves most people who see it close up both respecting and feeling repulsed by both sides.

Peace is desired by the people on both sides, but the power elite on both sides prefer war.

It is an old story repeated throughout history.

 

[Mineva]

That turns reality on its head. Every time there is peace Israel takes another piece.
Never has Palestine taken a piece of Israel land through force of arms. Never.

You are not mistaken Delta. You just lie.

This is so meaningless that people are forced to discuss about if the invaders (Israel) are the right side or the home owners (Palestinians) are the right side. Before to discuss about who is the real murderer, we should discuss what the hell Israel is doing in Palestinian lands.

Looks like to Mexicans invades Usa lands, then they start to kill each other and people discuss about if the Mexicans killed them first or Usa killed Mexicans first.

 

[Humanity]

Interesting topic.
I served 3 years in the Border Police and I'm interested in politics and people in general which is why I'm naturally obsessive about the conflict.
I've learned alot about the conflict yet every day I'm learning something new which makes me realize the complicity of the conflict and the much I'm probably still missing.
I Don't support any violence against innocents although I know violence is the only solution to violence, this is the way of the world.
I Also believe that it doesn't matter which side you belong to and the way you represented but onlu the inner intent you strive for.
With the current situation?
I Truly believe there is always a solution.

I don't agree that the only solution for violence is violence. It leads to a vicious downward spiral, as we have seen...

Nothing can be achieved in this 'conflict' by violence.

The 'extremist elements' of both sides need to be either 'removed' or shown that there is a different path.

Yes, I also believe there is a solution but the solution must be one to mutual 'satisfaction'... An unconditional solution.

 

[Humanity]

Always easy to say how we don't support violence when not being threatened by it ourselves. But eventually you can't keep pulling back or withdrawing because your aggressor keeps advancing on you. Sometimes you have to fight, and that's where Israel's at.

Israel fought from before its inception because it IS the aggressor.

Fighting now is the making of the Palestinians. If Israel capitulates, Israel ceases to exist. If the Palestinians capitulate there's peace. Not more complicated than that. Unfortunately, the people behind the Palestinian curtain aren't also in the territories so have no reason to give up. Then can pick the scab open as it were indefinately.

The "fighting" is the making of BOTH sides... That is clear.

It is far more complicated than simple "capitulation".

 

[Humanity]

If radical Islam were eliminated, peace would prevail in Israel and much of the world. Until then, only war will occur.

I wish this were true!

All 'radicals' need to be eliminated. That is the ONLY way forward.

 

[Humanity]

Most people who support one or the other do so precisely because they do not understand the conflict and have no stake in it.

In reality, there is no good guy here; no black or white.

It's a brutal, cruel war that leaves most people who see it close up both respecting and feeling repulsed by both sides.

I'm not sure I can agree with your opening comment.

However, you are right, there is no "good guy" in this conflict.

 

[Lipush]

That turns reality on its head. Every time there is peace Israel takes another piece.
Never has Palestine taken a piece of Israel land through force of arms. Never.

You are not mistaken Delta. You just lie.

This is so meaningless that people are forced to discuss about if the invaders (Israel) are the right side or the home owners (Palestinians) are the right side. Before to discuss about who is the real murderer, we should discuss what the hell Israel is doing in Palestinian lands.

Looks like to Mexicans invades Usa lands, then they start to kill each other and people discuss about if the Mexicans killed them first or Usa killed Mexicans first.

I thought we agreed o 'no propaganda'

 

[Penelope]

I take one look at the changes in the map and well I think its obvious, also the one who built the fence. I am on the side of the oppressed which are the Palestinians.

 

[Saigon]

Most people who support one or the other do so precisely because they do not understand the conflict and have no stake in it.

In reality, there is no good guy here; no black or white.

It's a brutal, cruel war that leaves most people who see it close up both respecting and feeling repulsed by both sides.

I'm not sure I can agree with your opening comment.

However, you are right, there is no "good guy" in this conflict.

Well, let me put it this way - one of the things that most irrittates me about this forum is the way people discuss Israel-Palestine as if it were a ball game..."Our team is good! Go team! Your team is bad! Boo!"

At ground level, it doesn't feel like that to anyone, I'm sure. Hence my saying that the 'team sport' discussion we see here is fed almost entiely by people who actually have no real connection with the conflict at all. If they did, they would care more and remember that this is real life and death for people on both sides.

I've seen many Israel people really mourn Palestinian deaths when there have been killings, and yet the one place you really see those reactions is on places like this forum, where to go consider life and death would be disloyal to the team.

 

[Lipush]

I thought it was supposed to be a no propaganda thread. Oh, well.

A smart saying claims that 'each conflict has two sides. Unless it personally involves you. In that case, there's only one'.

I come from a family of Ashkenazi immigrant Jews, family of Weiszmann. They were sent to Israel under the sponsorship of Rotchild, and lived in the area since 1883.

My great grandmother, Hadassah, was born in Israel. So was my grandmother, and so wasmy mom.

These days people call them 'illegal settlers' for some reason, even though their IDs pointed at them as native Palestinian.

They were in Israel before all those 'free Palestine' movements were invented, and when the Arab riots started, the great rebellions, they had a huge farm. The farm was burned down by Arabs and they were forced out of their own lands, escaped further south.

They call us land thiefs, but I reject the thinking, as my own lands were stolen back then.

And THAT tthe slighest diffefence between truths and half truths.

My faher's family escaped Europe after the wad, and my father grew up here.

My family, from both sides, has a praised military background. My parents served in the IDF each more than 20 years. My father served in battle in 1967, and 1973. His older brother was one of the soldiers who freed Jerusalem.

I served in the navy for 2 years. I lived in the south my entire life. I plan to have my future cchildren raised here.

That's my story. There is no 'side' to choose. I will follow my family's legacy, and so willthe next generation.