12 Experts on What Might End the War

[toomuchtime_]

It is a razor thin edge between voluntary relocation and making life too terrible to stay as a soft forced displacement. (Especially when certain idiots in the Israeli government say the quiet parts out loud and in public.)

There is no razor thin edge here. The so called Palestinians have started five wars in the twenty years since Israel withdrew from Gaza and the only way to prevent them from starting a sixth war is for Israel to take control of Gaza. The Palestinians are not suffering because of anything Ben-Gvir has said but because they consistently refuse to live in peace with Israel. If they choose to leave now it is because they find the conditions they, themselves, have created intolerable, not because of any conspiracy by Israeli politicians to drive them out.

 

[gipper]

There is no razor thin edge here. The so called Palestinians have started five wars in the twenty years since Israel withdrew from Gaza and the only way to prevent them from starting a sixth war is for Israel to take control of Gaza. The Palestinians are not suffering because of anything Ben-Gvir has said but because they consistently refuse to live in peace with Israel. If they choose to leave now it is because they find the conditions they, themselves, have created intolerable, not because of any conspiracy by Israeli politicians to drive them out.

Down you go!

 

[gipper]

It is a razor thin edge between voluntary relocation and making life too terrible to stay as a soft forced displacement. (Especially when certain idiots in the Israeli government say the quiet parts out loud and in public.)

 

[Shusha]

There is no razor thin edge here. The so called Palestinians have started five wars in the twenty years since Israel withdrew from Gaza and the only way to prevent them from starting a sixth war is for Israel to take control of Gaza. The Palestinians are not suffering because of anything Ben-Gvir has said but because they consistently refuse to live in peace with Israel. If they choose to leave now it is because they find the conditions they, themselves, have created intolerable, not because of any conspiracy by Israeli politicians to drive them out.

Yes, I see where you are with this. The responsibility for their intolerable conditions lies with them, and not with Israel. I've argued that myself many times.

 

[gipper]

Yes, I see where you are with this. The responsibility for their intolerable conditions lies with them, and not with Israel. I've argued that myself many times.

We can only hope the massacre of babies stops soon.

 

[gipper]

There is no razor thin edge here. The so called Palestinians have started five wars in the twenty years since Israel withdrew from Gaza and the only way to prevent them from starting a sixth war is for Israel to take control of Gaza. The Palestinians are not suffering because of anything Ben-Gvir has said but because they consistently refuse to live in peace with Israel. If they choose to leave now it is because they find the conditions they, themselves, have created intolerable, not because of any conspiracy by Israeli politicians to drive them out.

Hopefully finally, the tide is turning against you ******* Zionist baby killers.

As Israel starves and destroys Gaza, it’s turning into a global pariah​

After more than 19 months of brutal war, the patience of some of Israel’s Western allies appears to be running out amid a renewed Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/21/israel-pariah-golan-eu-trade-netanyahu/

 

[gipper]

Yes, I see where you are with this. The responsibility for their intolerable conditions lies with them, and not with Israel. I've argued that myself many times.

Do you support starving 2 million people, half of whom are children, like most of your brethren in Israel?

 

[Shusha]

Do you support starving 2 million people, half of whom are children, like most of your brethren in Israel?

You really do have trouble understanding words, don't you? There is a world of difference between "starving" and "letting aid in".

Only those whose minds are clouded by bigotry and seem incapable of doing even the simplest research believe that there is actual starvation happening in Gaza at this time. (And no, don't show me a picture of a Yemeni child who is facing actual conditions of starvation as a ploy to tug at emotions.)

Reasonable people understand that there are food stores available but that Hamas is using those food stores to exploit its own people. Oh, look! Bags of flour that went in just yesterday and should have been distributed to the people of Gaza at no cost to them are being sold in markets for $445. Who do you think that money is destined for? Who do you think is benefitting from that? Its not the people of Gaza. Hamas has to be held to account.

Again, should you convince me that actual starvation was occurring because of an insufficient quantity of food available within Gaza, I would condemn it immediately.

 

[gipper]

You really do have trouble understanding words, don't you? There is a world of difference between "starving" and "letting aid in".

Only those whose minds are clouded by bigotry and seem incapable of doing even the simplest research believe that there is actual starvation happening in Gaza at this time. (And no, don't show me a picture of a Yemeni child who is facing actual conditions of starvation as a ploy to tug at emotions.)

Reasonable people understand that there are food stores available but that Hamas is using those food stores to exploit its own people. Oh, look! Bags of flour that went in just yesterday and should have been distributed to the people of Gaza at no cost to them are being sold in markets for $445. Who do you think that money is destined for? Who do you think is benefitting from that? Its not the people of Gaza. Hamas has to be held to account.

Again, should you convince me that actual starvation was occurring because of an insufficient quantity of food available within Gaza, I would condemn it immediately.

Thank God for these brave young people. You think they’re brainwashed, but you are the one brainwashed.

 

[Shusha]

Thank God for these brave young people. You think they’re brainwashed, but you are the one brainwashed.

Me? Brainwashed? I'm not the one posting photos of Yemeni children and trying to pass them off as Gazan in order to throw blood libels at Jews.

 

[Rigby5]

Posting this partly in response to my disgust at the joint statement issued by our new Canadian Prime Minister, which is nothing more than the same unworkable dribble that's been circulating meaninglessly since at least the 1990s. JTS opinion piece by 12 experts on what they think might end the war.

Some quotes I find especially relevant or interesting:

The question is not whether one wants the war to end. That is easy and obvious. The question is how? -Einat Wilf

The agonizing debate is about whether this is the Last Gaza War, or the Penultimate Gaza War. Many think it’s now or never to bring down the regime threatening more 10/7s. Many others say Hamas has checkmated us with the hostage crisis, let’s pay the ransom and bring down Hamas later. - Elon Levy

First and foremost, significant pressure must be exerted on Hamas to release all hostages and to accept the presence of an international force to control the Gaza Strip. - Tamar Hermann

Other than militarily, I’m not aware of any means to force Hamas out of Gaza. And if Hamas doesn’t leave, the trauma of Oct. 7 will just recur every five years or so (perhaps even more often). In other words, Israel will effectively have conceded that it cannot protect its citizens. - David Friedman

What is desperately needed is to introduce new players on the ground beyond Israel and Hamas; that would entail the immediate formation of a joint Arab, and international policing force with the involvement of elements of the Palestinian Authority’s security services to go into zones currently held by the Israeli military inside the Strip. - Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib


The consensus opinion seems to be that Hamas must be removed from power and replaced with another government. The question is what other government? An international police force? A single Arab state? A coalition of Arab states? The US? A new homegrown Gaza government? Israel?

What do you think is the way to end the war?

Wrong.
The war started when Menachem Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel so that his terrorists could start massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

So obviously the only solution to end not just the war, but the evil injustice, is to end Israel and return all the stolen home to the 13 million Palestinian natives.

Those who claim to be the "Chosen People" with a right to steal whatever they claim is their "Promised Land", clearly are lying and can not be allowed weapons.

The majority of Israelis natively speak Yiddish, which is Germanic, and not from the Mideast, so they are not even Semitic. The native Palestinians are not only Semitic, but DNA testing has proven they are the original Canaanites, Chaldeans, Nabateans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Amorites, Urites, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

No way Israel will allow another Arab state to set up in Gaza.

The Israeli military will occupy and run it, and bring in American and other Western powers to develop it. Maybe even the Chinese.

Israel not only should have no say, but obviously is the criminal who cause the need for Oct 7 by decades of an illegal starvation blockade.
That is a war crime, and the UN should have attacked Israel for it already.

Not to even mention the fact Menachem Begin started the whole thing by blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel and massacred hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

 

[Rigby5]

Know-It-All Nabobs Deserve No Respect

First of all, sacrifice the hoplophobe hostages. Just like the Israeli soldiers, they have to pay the price of their duty to their country and not let themselves be used to delay victory, causing more hoplite deaths.

Second, remove all Gazans to Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya and annex that territory as an all-Jewish province.

Nonsense.
The Jews have no right to be there and it is criminal for them to be taking land from the native Arabs who legally own all the land there.

The Jews were illegal invaders around 1000 BC and by Joshua massacring the Canaanite women and children in Jericho, can never have rights to any land there.

Not to mention the war crime of blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel in 1946.

 

[Eman623]

Israel not only should have no say, but obviously is the criminal who cause the need for Oct 7 by decades of an illegal starvation blockade.
That is a war crime, and the UN should have attacked Israel for it already.

Odd how the population of Gaza increased 5x during the "starvation blockade"

Not to even mention the fact Menachem Begin started the whole thing by blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel and massacred hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

And Rome sacked Jerusalem and tore down the 2nd Temple in 70 CE. Thanks for the history lesson.

 

[Rigby5]

I'd have to believe it before I can react to it. Where did Mr. Fletcher get this number from? What evidence do we have of this being true? He seems to be just making it up.

The illegal starvation blockade is not a secret.
Israel has been illegally staving Palestine for decades.

{...
Six civilian ships of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla were raided by Israel on 31 May 2010 in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea. Nine of the flotilla passengers were killed during the raid, with thirty wounded (including one who later died of his wounds).
...}

Obviously Israel is guilty of horrendous war crimes that the UN should stop ignoring.

 

[Shusha]

So obviously the only solution to end not just the war, but the evil injustice, is to end Israel and return all the stolen home to the 13 million Palestinian natives.

Since this thread is intended to be about solutions, and not history, I'll ignore the many falsehoods in your posts and instead ask this:

In this proposed "solution", what happens to all of the Jewish people currently living in Israel?

 

[Rigby5]

This one fact must be repeated endlessly: Hamas has the ability to stop the carnage, immediately.

Where is the pressure on Hamas to release the hostages and lay down its arms?

Nowhere.

That is a LIE!

The carnage is all by Israel, going back to 1946 when Menachem Begin blew up the British peacekeepers so they could not stop his gangs from massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

Obviously Hamas is not the problem because they NEVER started anything, and waited over 20 years to finally respond to this illegal starvation blockade by Israel.

 

[Shusha]

The illegal starvation blockade is not a secret.
Israel has been illegally staving Palestine for decades.

Do you have proof of starvation and/or famine in Gaza for these decades?

 

[Rigby5]

Dismantle genocidal Hamas.

That is an obvious lie because not only did the Zionists start all the violence, going back to who blew up the British peace keepers in the King David Hotel, but Hamas has only existed in the last 15 years, and was the result of all the constant war crimes by Israel.
If Hamas was "genocidal", then why would any Jews have even survived in the Mideast all these thousands of years, and why would all these millions of Poles and Russians wanted so much to emigrate to there?

If you think the natives are "genocidal" you would have gone somewhere else.
So clearly claiming Hamas is "genocidal" is the lie and it is actually Zionists who are the violence war criminals.

 

[Rigby5]

Thank you for making my argument for me. No, if invading colonizers are decolonized by the indigenous peoples, the invading colonizers do not have a legal or moral right to return and invade and re-colonize. (Though those who stay and live in peace with the indigenous peoples have the legal and moral rights.)

Except the Jews are not the native people, are not peaceful, never paid for almost any land, and obviously are the vicious war criminals who blew up the British peacekeepers in order to massacre hundreds of native villages without interference.

The natives of the Land of Canaan are Arab Canaanities.
But there also were always more Arab Akkadians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Philistine, Amorites, Urites, Nabateans,etc. than there were Jews.
Jews were never native to the Land of Canaan, always a violent minority that were constantly being kicked out due their arrogance and violence.
They were kicked out the Assyrian around 800 BC, the Babylonians around 700 BC, by the Persians around 600 BC, by the Greeks around 500 BC, by the Selucids around 400 BC, and by the Romans around 160 AD.