What Makes Socialism So Attractive?

[Brain357]

Because our capitalism is broken. Workers have few rights. We have many near monopolies, wage collusion, non compete agreements... the government is bought by corporations, look at all the money in politics...

more horseshit. We have near monopolies BECAUSE of government regulations, Why can Walmart destroy every small business in a town when they build a store? Because small businesses are hamstrung with regulations and taxes the huge businesses can bury with profits.

What we need is a truly free market place, not one controlled from DC.


As to wages, you lefties ***** about Walmart wages but you praise the system that allows them to get away with paying low wages..

you ***** about corporations buying politicians but praise the politicians who are bought.

You libs are nothing but a walking contradiction.

Well yes those are some of the reasons why it is broken. You seem to be aware our capitalism is broken.

capitalism isn't broken, our government has gotten too big.

Yes big and it broke capitalism with corruption.

Trump is exposing that corruption, why don't you support that?

He’s worse.

 

[dblack]

It's because Republicans and Trumpsters have given capitalism a bad name. Kids look at the national stage, identify the biggest douchebags, and do the opposite of what they espouse.

"Republicans and Trumpsters have given capitalism a bad name."

Of course, that is false.

It is government schooling that is destroying the minds of the young.

So, you're a government school grad?

When you've got nothing, go personal.

If I had 'nothing,' you wouldn't have posted in the thread.


And.....pointing out that you are a government school grads, and suffer for it, is going 'personal'?

You must be deeply ashamed of being such.


With good reason.

More personal attacks. *yawn*

 

[francoHFW]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Right who wants fairness and Justice and intelligence when we can have Savage capitalism destroy the middle class and the working class. Let's all watch the garbage GOP propaganda machine and make believe everything is wonderful under our lovely greedy idiot GOP billionaire class...

 

[Rigby5]

Because our capitalism is broken. Workers have few rights. We have many near monopolies, wage collusion, non compete agreements... the government is bought by corporations, look at all the money in politics...

more horseshit. We have near monopolies BECAUSE of government regulations, Why can Walmart destroy every small business in a town when they build a store? Because small businesses are hamstrung with regulations and taxes the huge businesses can bury with profits.

What we need is a truly free market place, not one controlled from DC.


As to wages, you lefties ***** about Walmart wages but you praise the system that allows them to get away with paying low wages..

you ***** about corporations buying politicians but praise the politicians who are bought.

You libs are nothing but a walking contradiction.

The only regulation small businesses in the US are hampered by is things like laws against child labor and minimum wages.
None of which is bad.
What is bad is that when China gets away with using forced labor, we should tariff their goods or not allow them at all.
So that means we need MORE government regulation, not less.
It is the lack of tariffs on China that is killing us.
And that is the one thing Trump is trying to fix, by increasing tariffs on Chinese goods.

 

[dblack]

The only regulation small businesses in the US are hampered by is things like laws against child labor and minimum wages.

Uh -- not exactly. Child labor laws and minimum wage laws are the tip of the iceberg.

 

[francoHFW]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

 

[francoHFW]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

 

[dblack]

Someone should define socialism.

It's been done! Check it out - Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary

We have way too much socialism in the US as it is. Given the dysfunctional state of our politics, the last thing we want is more.

 

[alang1216]

I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].

What is the direction of immigration, you dunce?

Which countries have open gates?

No state lost a larger share of its residents over the past year than Wyoming. Wyoming's population, already the smallest of any state, shrank by 5,600 – or 1.0 percent – between July 2016 and July 2017. ​

The states with the most people leaving happen to be the biggest states so their percent change is fairly small

 

[francoHFW]

The only regulation small businesses in the US are hampered by is things like laws against child labor and minimum wages.

Uh -- not exactly. Child labor laws and minimum wage laws are the tip of the iceberg.

Well let's hear some that are bad then, Mister expert. And where do you think the corrupt GOP bubble is this time? Every time they're in for 8 years, they have a corrupt deregulation crap crony oversight bubble and bust recession depression.

 

[francoHFW]

Someone should define socialism.

It's been done! Check it out - Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary

We have way too much socialism in the US as it is. Given the dysfunctional state of our politics, the last thing we want is more.

Such as?

 

[dblack]

The only regulation small businesses in the US are hampered by is things like laws against child labor and minimum wages.

Uh -- not exactly. Child labor laws and minimum wage laws are the tip of the iceberg.

Well let's hear some that are bad then, Mister expert. And where do you think the corrupt GOP bubble is this time? Every time they're in for 8 years, they have a corrupt deregulation crap crony oversight bubble and bust recession depression.

Please re-write this in coherent sentences.

 

[francoHFW]

Someone should define socialism.

It's been done! Check it out - Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary

We have way too much socialism in the US as it is. Given the dysfunctional state of our politics, the last thing we want is more.

Such as?

Socialism is democratic. That's why communism isn't socialism. People thought the Soviets or committees were democratic. Took a while to figure out with all the secretiveness that that was bull s***.

 

[dblack]

Someone should define socialism.

It's been done! Check it out - Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary

We have way too much socialism in the US as it is. Given the dysfunctional state of our politics, the last thing we want is more.

Such as?

Healthcare, education, labor law, etc, etc etc..... But I don't suppose you really wanted an answer.

 

[francoHFW]

The only regulation small businesses in the US are hampered by is things like laws against child labor and minimum wages.

Uh -- not exactly. Child labor laws and minimum wage laws are the tip of the iceberg.

Well let's hear some that are bad then, Mister expert. And where do you think the corrupt GOP bubble is this time? Every time they're in for 8 years, they have a corrupt deregulation crap crony oversight bubble and bust recession depression.

Please re-write this in coherent sentences.

So what terrible regulations are the rest of the iceberg, dimwit?

 

[dblack]

Socialism is democratic.

That's exactly the problem with it. Democratic socialists want everything in society controlled by majority rule.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There has never been a more opposite avi when compared to the individual who chose it, than yours.....



"...capitalism is broken."



85. “U.S. adds 136,000 jobs in September, unemployment rate hits 50-year low”
Published: Oct 4, 2019 10:32 a.m. ET

U.S. adds 136,000 jobs in September, unemployment rate hits 50-year low

86. “Record 158,510,000 Americans Employed in October; 23rd Record for Trump” Record 158,510,000 Americans Employed in October; 23rd Record for Trump
87. “Black Unemployment Rate Hits All Time Low”
Huge October Payrolls Beat: 128K Jobs Added As Black Unemployment Rate Hits All Time Low
88. “Dow jumps more than 200 points to 28,000, posts 4-week winning streak The Dow Jones Industrial Average rallied to record levels on Friday, reaching 28,000 for the first time ever…” Dow jumps more than 200 points to 28,000, posts 4-week winning streak
89. “Jobs growth soars in November as payrolls surge by 266,000

Nonfarm payrolls surged by 266,000 in November, better than the 187,000 expected by economists polled by Dow Jones.

The unemployment rate ticked down to 3.5% from 3.6%, back to the 2019 low and matching the lowest jobless rate since 1969.

Average hourly earnings rose by 3.1% from a year ago, slightly above the 3% expected by economists polled by Dow Jones. Jobs growth soars in November as payrolls surge by 266,000


90. “CNN Poll: US economy receives its best ranking in nearly 20 years
(CNN)As 2019 comes to a close, the US economy earns its highest ratings in almost two decades, potentially boosting President Donald Trump in matchups against the Democrats vying to face him in next year's election, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.’” US economy receives its best ranking in nearly 20 years, CNN poll finds - CNNPolitics

91." Appointing conservative judges is the one objective that unites the Republican Party. It is one of the few things the Senate can do without the House.

And it is something that immediately impacts public policy because, during times of divided government, many political fights end up being resolved judicially.

Trump may not have the “best people” representing him or running his White House, but he’s picking them to be judges. Indeed, “based solely on objective legal credentials,” left-leaning Vox’s Ian Millhiser says, “the average Trump appointee has a far more impressive résumé than any past president’s nominees.”
Approximately 40 percent of Trump’s appellate nominees clerked for a Supreme Court justice, and about 80 percent clerked on a federal court of appeals. That compares to less than a quarter of Obama’s nominees who clerked on the Supreme Court, and less than half with a federal appellate clerkship."
All We Want for Christmas is More Judges: Ho, Ho, Ho

92. “China Says Economic Growth Fell to Lowest in 30 Years
China’s economy was weighed down by U.S. tariffs…” China Says Economic Growth Fell to Lowest in 30 Years | Breitbart

93. “Boom! Trump Has The Lowest Average Unemployment Rate of Any President in Recorded History” Boom! Trump Has The Lowest Average Unemployment Rate of Any President in Recorded History
94. “Private payrolls soar in January, the best monthly gain in nearly 5 years The jobs market kicked off 2020 in grand fashion, adding 291,000 in private payrolls for the best monthly gain since May 2015, according to a report Wednesday from ADP and Moody’s Analytics. That was well above the 150,000 estimate from economists…” Private payrolls soar in January, the best monthly gain in nearly 5 years

95. “Trump Budget Cuts Size of Federal Government,
President Donald Trump’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2021 would reduce the size and reach of the federal bureaucracy significantly by shifting government responsibilities back to constitutional priorities and empowering state and local governments. These reforms, contained in the request Trump sent Monday morning to Congress, would put the budget on track to balance and represent a significant first step toward reducing spending and stabilizing the nation’s unsustainable debt.” Trump Budget Cuts Federal Government, but Bolder Reforms Needed

Super low unemployment with labor shortages and still weak wage growth. Capitalism broken.

huge tax cuts for corporations and gdp growth goes down.

it is broken...

Surely you have plans for a better destination ...


...I'll help you pack.

We need to fix this country. You like all the corruption?

It's the reason Trump was elected.


Or are you voting for these:

He’s as corrupt as any.

Hussein?


You betcha'!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

I don't know...

I , personally, do NOT WANT "SOCIALISM!"

I merely wish to live in a GREAT COUNTRY where, besides capitalistic, economic freedom every citizen has access to AFFORDABLE education and health care.

Seems to me that to ensure Americas greatness in the future we really NEED to provide EXCELLENT EDUCATION to as many people as we can.

why do you want Americans to be stupid?

what makes hate so attractive to you?

“In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy.

But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons.

By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa.” Coulter, ‘Godless’p151




The only solution is to wrest the education system out of the hands of Liberals/Democrats/Progressives, just as earlier Republicans pried the slaves away from them.

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

 

[francoHFW]

Someone should define socialism.

It's been done! Check it out - Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary

We have way too much socialism in the US as it is. Given the dysfunctional state of our politics, the last thing we want is more.

Such as?

Healthcare, education, labor law, etc, etc etc..... But I don't suppose you really wanted an answer.

Yes yes let's go back to the bad old days dumbass. Read "the good old days-they were terrible!" So you're against healthcare education and labor laws? you are a brainwashed functional moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Right who wants fairness and Justice and intelligence when we can have Savage capitalism destroy the middle class and the working class. Let's all watch the garbage GOP propaganda machine and make believe everything is wonderful under our lovely greedy idiot GOP billionaire class...

Yet, here you are.