What Makes Socialism So Attractive?

[Brain357]

Super low unemployment with labor shortages and still weak wage growth. Capitalism broken.

huge tax cuts for corporations and gdp growth goes down.

it is broken...

Surely you have plans for a better destination ...


...I'll help you pack.

We need to fix this country. You like all the corruption?

It's the reason Trump was elected.


Or are you voting for these:

He’s as corrupt as any.

Hussein?


You betcha'!!!!

Trump
Trump has named more ex-lobbyists to Cabinet in 3 years than Obama, Bush did in full terms: report

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Bernie is a Marxist.

Check out the history of the millions slaughtered by same....pick up a book.

 

[Brain357]

I don't know...

I , personally, do NOT WANT "SOCIALISM!"

I merely wish to live in a GREAT COUNTRY where, besides capitalistic, economic freedom every citizen has access to AFFORDABLE education and health care.

Seems to me that to ensure Americas greatness in the future we really NEED to provide EXCELLENT EDUCATION to as many people as we can.

why do you want Americans to be stupid?

what makes hate so attractive to you?

“In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy.

But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons.

By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa.” Coulter, ‘Godless’p151




The only solution is to wrest the education system out of the hands of Liberals/Democrats/Progressives, just as earlier Republicans pried the slaves away from them.

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

More dodging. How do red states do in education?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

I can help.


The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup
Get it now????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].

What is the direction of immigration, you dunce?

Which countries have open gates?

No state lost a larger share of its residents over the past year than Wyoming. Wyoming's population, already the smallest of any state, shrank by 5,600 – or 1.0 percent – between July 2016 and July 2017. ​

The states with the most people leaving happen to be the biggest states so their percent change is fairly small

"Which countries have open gates? "


You're leaving????



Bon voyage!

 

[PoliticalChic]

“In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy.

But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons.

By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa.” Coulter, ‘Godless’p151




The only solution is to wrest the education system out of the hands of Liberals/Democrats/Progressives, just as earlier Republicans pried the slaves away from them.

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

More dodging. How do red states do in education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.



Answer the question.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't know...

I , personally, do NOT WANT "SOCIALISM!"

I merely wish to live in a GREAT COUNTRY where, besides capitalistic, economic freedom every citizen has access to AFFORDABLE education and health care.

Seems to me that to ensure Americas greatness in the future we really NEED to provide EXCELLENT EDUCATION to as many people as we can.

why do you want Americans to be stupid?

what makes hate so attractive to you?

“In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy.

But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons.

By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa.” Coulter, ‘Godless’p151




The only solution is to wrest the education system out of the hands of Liberals/Democrats/Progressives, just as earlier Republicans pried the slaves away from them.

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

Like everything else in American society, our public schools and public universities are dying for more investment. of course that means taxing the rich their fair share which is against everything the brainwashed are brainwashed with. Progressive control of education my ass. Texas gets to pick the textbooks and every high School seems to have phys Ed teachers as administration. The New BS GOP has an aversion to the truth... No sacrifice is too great protect the incredibly bloated GOP Rich class.... Our inner-city schools and society are a total disgrace of course....

 

[Brain357]

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

More dodging. How do red states do in education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.



Answer the question.

Ha. All you can do is dodge. You said the right has all the answers. Well how do red states do then? Answer doesn’t play with your false claim does it?

 

[francoHFW]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

I can help.


The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup
Get it now????

Reagan was totally full of s*** and wanted a give away to the greedy idiot rich and giant corporations while screwing over everyone else. So now we have a flat tax system and the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy.

But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons.

By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa.” Coulter, ‘Godless’p151




The only solution is to wrest the education system out of the hands of Liberals/Democrats/Progressives, just as earlier Republicans pried the slaves away from them.

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

Like everything else in American society, our public schools and public universities are dying for more investment. of course that meanns taxing the rich their fair share which is against everything the brainwashed are brainwashed with. Progressive control of education my ass. Texas gets to pick the textbooks and every high School seems to have phys Ed teachers as administration. The New BS GOP has an aversion to the truth..o


Nah.....this is the reason:

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

More dodging. How do red states do in education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.



Answer the question.

Ha. All you can do is dodge. You said the right has all the answers. Well how do red states do then? Answer doesn’t play with your false claim does it?

Why can't you answer the question?


....how do American youth do on international tests?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd like to see, in their own words, exactly what they think socialism is before I'd render any conclusion.

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

I can help.


The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup
Get it now????

Reagan was totally full of s*** and wanted a give away to the greedy idiot rich and giant corporations while screwing over everyone else. So now we have a flat tax system and the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

Jot this down:

1. The benefits from Reaganomics:
   1. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
   2. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
   3. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
   4. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
   5. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
   6. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116

b. and c. Kiva Lending Team: Team REAL Americans | Kiva



While the ranks of the wealthy quickly multiplied, middle-class investors also entered the stock market in rapidly growing numbers. The creation by Congress in 1978 of the 401(k) tax-deferred retirement plan provided new incentives for workers to invest their savings in the stock market (often through mutual funds) rather than relying on company-funded pensions for retirement. The 401(k) led to a kind of democratization of Wall Street, as the percentage of American households owning some stake in the stock market—either directly or through mutual funds—shot quickly from 15.9% in 1983 to 29.6% in 1989.23 Thus the great bull market of the 1980s created more wealth, for more American families, than any previous boom in history.

Investment Company Institute, "Equity Ownership in America, 2005," http://www.ici.org/pdf/rpt_05_equity_owners.pdf,

The Reagan Era Learning Guide: Citations

 

[westwall]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

The ignorance, laziness, and infantile nature of its supporters.

 

[francoHFW]

Yeah cause red states score real high when it comes to education...

"...red states ..."

Point of order....and point of education.


One indication of how fearful the Bolshevik.....er, Democrat Party is of their long association with communism is, is their claim to be "Blue States"



1. Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for the Leftists....and now the obfuscation is complete.


2. Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.

§ In Europe and Latin America, red is also associated with parties of social democracy, and often their allies within the labour movement. Sometimes these parties use pink instead, as a "moderate" colour instead of the more "radical" red.

§ In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party.
Political colour - Wikipedia


3. "The former system made more sense and was deliberately changed by media partisans who didn’t like to suggest Democrats should be associated with the color red....What’s a little more surprising, however, is how easily Republicans fell in line, apparently without realizing the reason they went from blue to red overnight. There’s even a Republican-leaning opinion site called RedState.com. How shortsighted and gullible can you get?

That made even more sense because Reagan’s convictions were decidedly and unabashedly anti-red.

I propose to you it’s time we – real Americans, the rest of us – stopped being manipulated like this."
How red states turned blue and vice versa




4. The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

Like everything else in American society, our public schools and public universities are dying for more investment. of course that meanns taxing the rich their fair share which is against everything the brainwashed are brainwashed with. Progressive control of education my ass. Texas gets to pick the textbooks and every high School seems to have phys Ed teachers as administration. The New BS GOP has an aversion to the truth..o


Nah.....this is the reason:

Yes yes, because garbage propaganda repeated endlessly always discredited never retracted For doops like you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

The ignorance, laziness, and infantile nature of its supporters.

"...the ignorance, laziness, and infantile nature ..."

And this:



The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect.

 

[francoHFW]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

The ignorance, laziness, and infantile nature of its supporters.

Yes yes, everyone just got lazy and stupid the last 30 years. Has nothing to do with the GOP cutting taxes on the rich and giant corporations and screwing everybody else with ridiculously expensive college college loans and crappy jobs.... At least your heroes the greedy idiot lying GOP Rich are doing great.....

 

[Brain357]

You seem to have dodged again. How do red states score on education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.

More dodging. How do red states do in education?

Liberals are in charge of government schooling....

....how do American youth do on international tests?????


Look no further than yourself.



Answer the question.

Ha. All you can do is dodge. You said the right has all the answers. Well how do red states do then? Answer doesn’t play with your false claim does it?

Why can't you answer the question?


....how do American youth do on international tests?????

Well I’ll tell you the ones from blue states do better than those from red states. You lose again. But nice dodging as always.

 

[francoHFW]

In this very thread, I'm gonna provide a first hand account of a society that embraced socialism/communism.

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

I can help.


The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup
Get it now????

Reagan was totally full of s*** and wanted a give away to the greedy idiot rich and giant corporations while screwing over everyone else. So now we have a flat tax system and the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

Jot this down:

1. The benefits from Reaganomics:
   1. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
   2. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
   3. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
   4. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
   5. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
   6. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116

b. and c. Kiva Lending Team: Team REAL Americans | Kiva



While the ranks of the wealthy quickly multiplied, middle-class investors also entered the stock market in rapidly growing numbers. The creation by Congress in 1978 of the 401(k) tax-deferred retirement plan provided new incentives for workers to invest their savings in the stock market (often through mutual funds) rather than relying on company-funded pensions for retirement. The 401(k) led to a kind of democratization of Wall Street, as the percentage of American households owning some stake in the stock market—either directly or through mutual funds—shot quickly from 15.9% in 1983 to 29.6% in 1989.23 Thus the great bull market of the 1980s created more wealth, for more American families, than any previous boom in history.

Investment Company Institute, "Equity Ownership in America, 2005," http://www.ici.org/pdf/rpt_05_equity_owners.pdf,

The Reagan Era Learning Guide: Citations

Yes yes he tripled the debt and gave us the s&l bubble bust. He had his success with a 50% top tax rate and then gave us the kiss of death 28% top tax rate on his way out the door. Great acting job but a total disaster for the country. Not to mention the ridiculous GOP propaganda machine he gave us. So half the country lives on an imaginary planet. Where the GOP are frontier freedom fighters and Democrats are all criminals even though absolutely none of the ridiculous charges ever gets anywhere in the real world....

 

[PoliticalChic]

While rebelling often leads to progress in society, that is not the case for socialism, communism, Progressivism, Liberalism....all of which are both repressive, and more restrictive than what they are rebelling against.


This Chinese family found out the hard way.....all of China did.



6. “… my mother and father filed their application. Marriage had traditionally been a contract between families, and there had never been civil registration or a marriage certificate. Now, for those who had “joined the revolution,” the Party functioned as the family head.

Its criteria were “28-7-regiment-1”—which meant that the man had to be at least twenty-eight years old, a Party member for at least seven years, and with a rank equivalent to that of a regimental commander; the “1” referred to the only qualification the woman had to meet, to have worked for the Party for a minimum of one year.


My father was twenty-eight according to the Chinese way of counting age (one year old at birth), he had been a Party member for over ten years, and he held a position equivalent to that of a deputy division commander. Although my mother was not a member of the Party, her work for the underground was accepted as meeting the “1” criterion, and since she had come back from Harbin she had been working full time for an organization called the Women’s Federation, which dealt with women’s affairs: it supervised the freeing of concubines and shutting down brothels, mobilized women to make shoes for the army, organized their education and their employment, informed them of their rights, and helped ensure that women were not entering into marriages against their wishes.”
Chang, Op. Cit.



Leftists are unique, and live exactly as they want to……as long as it’s just like everyone else.



Bernie's Bros have already promised 're-education camps.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Meanwhile Sanders and everybody that votes for him wants European (also Canada New Zealand Australia and Japan) style socialism. Not communism for crying out loud, brainwashed functional morons.

Someone should define socialism. here I will-- in the modern sense socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. The English-speaking world is way behind thanks to the GOP and the Tories, the worst Savage capitalists in the world for centuries and their propaganda.Napoleon was slightly taller than the average and he did not say England was a country of shopkeepers, he said they were a country of monopolists.

I can help.


The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup
Get it now????

Reagan was totally full of s*** and wanted a give away to the greedy idiot rich and giant corporations while screwing over everyone else. So now we have a flat tax system and the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

Jot this down:

1. The benefits from Reaganomics:
   1. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
   2. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
   3. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
   4. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
   5. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
   6. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116

b. and c. Kiva Lending Team: Team REAL Americans | Kiva



While the ranks of the wealthy quickly multiplied, middle-class investors also entered the stock market in rapidly growing numbers. The creation by Congress in 1978 of the 401(k) tax-deferred retirement plan provided new incentives for workers to invest their savings in the stock market (often through mutual funds) rather than relying on company-funded pensions for retirement. The 401(k) led to a kind of democratization of Wall Street, as the percentage of American households owning some stake in the stock market—either directly or through mutual funds—shot quickly from 15.9% in 1983 to 29.6% in 1989.23 Thus the great bull market of the 1980s created more wealth, for more American families, than any previous boom in history.

Investment Company Institute, "Equity Ownership in America, 2005," http://www.ici.org/pdf/rpt_05_equity_owners.pdf,

The Reagan Era Learning Guide: Citations

Yes yes he tripled the debt and gave us the s&l bubble bust. He had his success with a 50% top tax rate and then gave us the kiss of death 28% top tax rate on his way out the door. Great acting job but a total disaster for the country. Not to mention the ridiculous GOP propaganda machine he gave us. So half the country lives on an imaginary planet. Where the GOP are frontier freedom fighters and Democrats are all criminals even though absolutely none of the ridiculous charges ever gets anywhere in the real world....

"....he tripled the debt...."


Amazing how ignorant you are.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan


Reaganomics - Wikipedia



“Between the early 1980s and 2007 we lived in an economic Golden Age. Never before have so many people advanced so far economically in so short a period of time as they have during the last 25 years. Until the credit crisis, 70 million people a year were joining the middle class. The U.S. kicked off this long boom with the economic reforms of Ronald Reagan, particularly his enormous income tax cuts. We burst from the economic stagnation of the 1970s into a dynamic, innovative, high-tech-oriented economy. Even in recent years the much-maligned U.S. did well. Between year-end 2002 and year-end 2007 U.S. growth exceeded the entire size of China's economy.”
How Capitalism Will Save Us




I hope you learn more when you get to college, you dope.