What kind of a country is modern Ukraine?

[Ringo]

Why does the West support this shithole country? Pedophiles love Nazis?

 

[Ringo]

Ukraine shills are a strange type of people. They refuse to acknowledge that a Russian speaking territory that was cut away from Russia 30 yrs ago is indeed Russian, yet they claim an Arab speaking country belongs to Europeans who claim their ancestors owned it 1000s of yrs ago.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Dissident]

Interesting information has been posted today on medium.com (see below)

Zelensky planned to kill Macron?

A trusted source from Zaluzhny’s entourage shared an interesting conversation from which it follows that during Macron’s visit to Ukraine, Zelensky’s team planned to eliminate the French President and lay the blame on the Russian Federation.

Source

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine shills are a strange type of people. They refuse to acknowledge that a Russian speaking territory that was cut away from Russia 30 yrs ago is indeed Russian

Hey idiot, can you explain why did Putin not know about any of that in 2003 when he signed border agreements with Ukraine?

Why no one knew that in 2004 when Russian Duma ratified it?

Why Putin in 2008 said in no uncertain terms that Russia has no claim to any Ukrainian land as estblished by those agreements?

Russia–Ukraine border - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

I can explain it perfectly - you are peddling pure made up propganda bullshit that has nothing to do with reality.

 

[Deadstick]

Hey idiot, can you explain why did Putin not know about any of that in 2003 when he signed border agreements with Ukraine?

Why no one knew that in 2004 when Russian Duma ratified it?

Why Putin in 2008 said in no uncertain terms that Russia has no claim to any Ukrainian land as estblished by those agreements?

Russia–Ukraine border - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

I can explain it perfectly - you are peddling pure made up propganda bullshit that has nothing to do with reality.

Then the Country went mad and embraced the sect of Bandera, it was a whole new ball game you ignorant fool.

 

[AntonToo]

Then the Country went mad and embraced the sect of Bandera, it was a whole new ball game you ignorant fool.

First lets note that this is wholly different rationalization from bullshit Ringo was selling.


Bandera fought for independence of Ukraine from Bolsheviks and Nazis - whats wrong with having him as a figure of Ukrainian patriotism?

Russians are still putting up monuments to muderous dictator Stalin. Hell,we have a Soviet asshole Ringo right here who romanticizes Stalin in his avatar.

So what? All of a sudden borders don't count and you can invade whoever you don't happen to like?

 

[Ringo]

"...The document continued that “it is permissible to liquidate undesirable Poles . . . NKVD people, informers, provocateurs . . . all important Ukrainians who, in the critical time, would try to make ‘their politics’ and thereby threaten the decisive mind-set of the Ukrainian nation,” adding that only one party would be permitted under the new order — the OUN.

Although Bandera and his followers would later try to paint the alliance with the Third Reich as no more than “tactical,” an attempt to pit one totalitarian state against another, it was in fact deep-rooted and ideological. Bandera envisioned the Ukraine as a classic one-party state with himself in the role of führer, or providnyk, and expected that a new Ukraine would take its place under the Nazi umbrella, much as Jozef Tiso’s new fascist regime had in Slovakia or Ante Pavelić’s in Croatia..."

Who Was Stepan Bandera?

Lionized as a nationalist hero in Ukraine, Stepan Bandera was a Nazi sympathizer who left behind a horrific legacy.

jacobin.com

"...In a letter to Alfred Rosenberg in August 1941, Bandera offered to meet German objections by reconsidering the question of Ukrainian independence. On December 9, he sent him another letter pleading for reconciliation: “German and Ukrainian interests in Eastern Europe are identical. For both sides, it is a vital necessity to consolidate (normalize) Ukraine in the best and fastest way and to include it in the European spiritual, economic, and political system.”

Ukrainian nationalism, he went on, had taken shape “in a spirit similar to the National Socialist ideas” and was needed to “spiritually cure the Ukrainian youth” who had been poisoned by their upbringing under the Soviets. Although the Germans were in no mood to listen, their attitude changed once their fortunes began to shift. Desperate for manpower following their defeat at Stalingrad, they agreed to the formation of a Ukrainian division in the Waffen-SS, known the Galizien, which would eventually grow to 14,000 members.

Rather than disbanding the OUN, the Nazis had meanwhile revamped it as a German-run police force. The OUN had played a leading role in the anti-Jewish pogroms that broke out in Lviv and dozens of other Ukrainian cities on the heels of the German invasion, and now they served the Nazis by patrolling the ghettoes and assisting in deportations, raids, and shootings..."

 

[Deadstick]

First lets note that this is wholly different rationalization from bullshit Ringo was selling.


Bandera fought for independence of Ukraine from Bolsheviks and Nazis - whats wrong with having him as a figure of Ukrainian patriotism?

Russians are still putting up monuments to muderous dictator Stalin. Hell,we have a Soviet asshole Ringo right here who romanticizes Stalin in his avatar.

So what? All of a sudden borders don't count and you can invade whoever you don't happen to like?

The Bandera organisation the OUN collaborated with the Nazis you complete knobhead took part in the holocaust, and there are no official monuments erected to Stalin and no public holidays, you sound like a Hitler disciple.

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deadstick]

"...The document continued that “it is permissible to liquidate undesirable Poles . . . NKVD people, informers, provocateurs . . . all important Ukrainians who, in the critical time, would try to make ‘their politics’ and thereby threaten the decisive mind-set of the Ukrainian nation,” adding that only one party would be permitted under the new order — the OUN.

Although Bandera and his followers would later try to paint the alliance with the Third Reich as no more than “tactical,” an attempt to pit one totalitarian state against another, it was in fact deep-rooted and ideological. Bandera envisioned the Ukraine as a classic one-party state with himself in the role of führer, or providnyk, and expected that a new Ukraine would take its place under the Nazi umbrella, much as Jozef Tiso’s new fascist regime had in Slovakia or Ante Pavelić’s in Croatia..."

Who Was Stepan Bandera?

Lionized as a nationalist hero in Ukraine, Stepan Bandera was a Nazi sympathizer who left behind a horrific legacy.

jacobin.com

"...In a letter to Alfred Rosenberg in August 1941, Bandera offered to meet German objections by reconsidering the question of Ukrainian independence. On December 9, he sent him another letter pleading for reconciliation: “German and Ukrainian interests in Eastern Europe are identical. For both sides, it is a vital necessity to consolidate (normalize) Ukraine in the best and fastest way and to include it in the European spiritual, economic, and political system.”

Ukrainian nationalism, he went on, had taken shape “in a spirit similar to the National Socialist ideas” and was needed to “spiritually cure the Ukrainian youth” who had been poisoned by their upbringing under the Soviets. Although the Germans were in no mood to listen, their attitude changed once their fortunes began to shift. Desperate for manpower following their defeat at Stalingrad, they agreed to the formation of a Ukrainian division in the Waffen-SS, known the Galizien, which would eventually grow to 14,000 members.

Rather than disbanding the OUN, the Nazis had meanwhile revamped it as a German-run police force. The OUN had played a leading role in the anti-Jewish pogroms that broke out in Lviv and dozens of other Ukrainian cities on the heels of the German invasion, and now they served the Nazis by patrolling the ghettoes and assisting in deportations, raids, and shootings..."

Don't confuse them with historical facts.

 

[Ringo]

"AZOV" International Spokeswoman Olena Semenyaka is Definitely NOT a Nazi
That's a Putin conspiracy theory.

 

[Deadstick]

"AZOV" International Spokeswoman Olena Semenyaka is Definitely NOT a Nazi
That's a Putin conspiracy theory.

Who is that whore? she doesn't look like one of the aryan master race.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

She is just a typical East European fascist. She used to work with Russia’s rightwing fascist ideologue Alexander Duggin’s movement, but now allies herself with Ukrainian and other Eastern European extreme rightwing forces.

Calls herself an “anti-feminist” and defender of “traditional values” as opposed to liberal democracy. In short, a nobody. Of course if the West totally betrays and abandons Ukraine to Russia, her sort of movement may grow in what is left of Ukraine, as rightists there complain that liberal Europe abandoned them, and that the Jewish Zelensky and Tatar head of state and new Russian-speaking Secretary of Defense were “traitors,” etc. etc.

Probably many of our own silly Trumptards would find her Slavic “traditional values” & “anti-feminism” very appealing.

 

[AntonToo]

"AZOV" International Spokeswoman Olena Semenyaka is Definitely NOT a Nazi
That's a Putin conspiracy theory.

Wow! Congrats you finally found a Nazi in Ukraine. Who is she? A nobody.



Now lets see who Putin hangs out with:

Neo-Nazi Utkin is the founder of the Kremlin groomed and funded Wagner Group.

 

[Ringo]

Wow! Congrats you finally found a Nazi in Ukraine.

Of course, мерзкая гнида, there is no more evidence of Nazism in Ukraine.

 

[AntonToo]

Of course, мерзкая гнида, there is no more evidence of Nazism in Ukraine.

Ringo I’ve just showed you that a Putin associate, founder of Wagner group was a Nazi.

There is clearly a Nazi problem in notoriously fascist Russia. They unite around one leader. They don’t tolerate opposition. They want a Russian world, not Chechen or Buryat world. They want Moscow for Muscovites.

So Ringo, to be consistent in your war propaganda, do you also support China invading Russia, de-Nazifying it by overthrowing their government, de-millitarizing Russia and annexing Russian territories that historically belonged to China?

 

[Ringo]

Ukraine may repeat the fate of Kosovo

Politico writes that the United States is always interested in the parties it supports only until big business "squeezes" everything it can out of the American presence in these countries.

"For corporate America, this will be just another business opportunity. If Kosovo can serve as a benchmark, Ukrainians should be careful what they wish for," the piece says.
Washington is better at waging wars than dealing with their consequences, the publication notes.

 

[AntonToo]

The Bandera organisation the OUN collaborated with the Nazis you complete knobhead took part in the holocaust,

Who the hell fed you this bullshit?

OUN never collaborated with Nazis and in fact Bandera was in Nazi jail on Hitler’s orders throughout the holocaust for trying to organize independent Ukraine.

and there are no official monuments erected to Stalin

Here is brand new Stalin monument, blessed by Russian clergy no less:

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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When the question “What kind of a country is modern Ukraine?” is asked, Americans usually answer that it doesn’t matter for them, what kind of a country modern Ukraine is.

However, in the past it did matter for Americans what kind of a country Libya was in 2011 when the U.S. bombed it; or it did matter for Americans what kind of a country Iraq was in 2003 when U.S. invaded it, etc.

The second Americans’ answer to the question “What kind of a country is modern Ukraine?” is the answer “Modern Ukraine may be a not especially good country now, but it is changing for the better”.

In this article, I am going to consider both above-mentioned theses.​

Spoiler

Rights of ethnic minorities in Ukraine after the Euromaidan

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Before the so-called Ukrainian revolution, alias Euromaidan, i.e. before February 2014, ethnic minorities had much more rights in Ukraine than now. For example, Ukraine had state-financed Hungarian, Romanian etc. schools where children were taught in their respective languages during the whole course of education.

However, in 2020 and 2021 the Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education were passed in Ukraine and under these Laws the state stopped to finance Hungarian, Romanian etc. schools of ethnic minorities because ethnic Hungarians, Romanians and other peoples were not named “Indigenous Peoples of Ukraine” in these Laws.

Before February 2014, there were also so-called regional languages in Ukraine, i.e. languages which were native for more than 10% people in a region, city, town or settlement. These regional languages could be free used in public offices, in mass media, in private enterprises etc. on the territory of the respective region, city, town or settlement.

But in 2019 the above-mentioned regional languages were eliminated in Ukraine.
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Freedom of speech in Ukraine after the Euromaidan

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Before February 2014, Ukrainian police protected offices of mass media, even opposition ones.
However after the Euromaidan, the police often do not intervene when Ukrainian nationalists attack opposition media.

In the summer of 2016, a Ukrainian website accused the Ukrainian TV company Inter of cooperation with separatists. Till November 2016, the building, where this TV company is situated, was three times attacked by “activists” and its rooms were set on fire - fortunately, nobody died in these arsons. However, the material damage was great.

After one of these arsons, an Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko wrote in Facebook that one shouldn`t rule out that Inter managers themselves had provoked the arson of their rooms; see here.

So far, no culprits of these arsons have been found; and by the way, so far, Ukrainian authorities haven’t published any confirmation that Inter had really cooperated with separatists, i.e. no criminal proceedings have been started because of these allegations.​

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In December 2017, Yevheniy Murayev, the owner of the Ukrainian TV channel NewsOne, called the Euromaidan a coup d'etat.

Although his words weren’t violation of Ukrainian laws, hundreds of “activists” surrounded the building of NewsOne and demanded apologies from Murayev.

The police did not intervene and Ukrainian Minister of Internal Affairs Avakov said that owners of NewsOne “had to stop to provoke people”.

The “activists” blocked all entrances to the building of NewsOne by using sand bags and barbed wire; and this blockade lasted for 7 days and although it was an obvious violation of Ukrainian laws, nobody was arrested or otherwise punished for it.

In 2021 the broadcasting of NewsOne was suspended by Ukrainian authorities. And in 2023, the Ukrainian Council for Broadcasting – after a decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine - revoked license of NewsOne, see the official website of this Council; i.e. this TV channel was fully closed.

Therefore, I can conclude that situation in the sphere of rights of ethnic minorities and in the sphere of freedom of speech has become worse as compared with the situation before the Euromaidan.

Source

We need to deport all our Illegals to Kiev, help 2 countries at the same time

 

[Ringo]

Ukraine. Lutsk City Council renamed the Jewish painter Isaak Levitan street after notorious antisemite and OUN leader Stepan Lenkavsky. In summer 1941 at OUN’s conference Lenkavsky declared: «In relation to Jews we’ll take every measure to destroy them».

Ukraine’s National Memory Institute marks birthday of Vasyl Levkovych - commander of Nazi Shutzmannshaft and Auxiliary Police, the murderer of more than 4 thousand Jews of Dubno on October 5, 1942. In 1943 he joined UPA and took part in mass killings of ethnic Poles.