What is White Privilege?

[emilynghiem]

That is clearly a cultural difference, and here it happens to be black versus white.

Yes! It is cultural, not racial.

Unfortunately Carib Gyal as even Asclepias pointed out,
this does get projected onto race, and that adds to the conflict.

it is hard for "white and black" people to work together on the Freedmen's Town history
and expect there to be trust. Instead, there were incidents like one time a sale of the land back to the community
got BLOCKED because one of the Black leaders didn't trust one of the White people involved. So instead of
taking back control of the land and the school (that later got torned down) it went into the hands of the public school
that tore up gravesites and tore down houses seized by eminent domain. So race was a factor in why the
community kept getting taken advantage of.

The author of the book on Freedmen's Town history also couldn't get support united around defense
because he was white and misjudged for having some other motives besides preserving the Black history
that his doctoral work was focused on. And the head of the local museum also had some people divided against
her just because she was white and they didn't trust her when she worked with the schools and city on projects.

Race and distrust of race has been part of the reason people stay divided and not fully empowered.
So that is part of the equation, either race directly or perceptions and race relations.

The part that is directly is the spiritual wounds and resentment carried from
one generation to the next that is tied to nationality and race. That is part of the dynamics of
the injuries that must be addressed if you are going to heal the wounds and break the cycle of abuse and poverty.

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

 

[Carib Gyal]

That is clearly a cultural difference, and here it happens to be black versus white.

Yes! It is cultural, not racial.

Unfortunately Carib Gyal as even Asclepias pointed out,
this does get projected onto race, and that adds to the conflict.

it is hard for "white and black" people to work together on the Freedmen's Town history
and expect there to be trust. Instead, there were incidents like one time a sale of the land back to the community
got BLOCKED because one of the Black leaders didn't trust one of the White people involved. So instead of
taking back control of the land and the school (that later got torned down) it went into the hands of the public school
that tore up gravesites and tore down houses seized by eminent domain. So race was a factor in why the
community kept getting taken advantage of.

The author of the book on Freedmen's Town history also couldn't get support united around defense
because he was white and misjudged for having some other motives besides preserving the Black history
that his doctoral work was focused on. And the head of the local museum also had some people divided against
her just because she was white and they didn't trust her when she worked with the schools and city on projects.

Race and distrust of race has been part of the reason people stay divided and not fully empowered.
So that is part of the equation, either race directly or perceptions and race relations.

The part that is directly is the spiritual wounds and resentment carried from
one generation to the next that is tied to nationality and race. That is part of the dynamics of
the injuries that must be addressed if you are going to heal the wounds and break the cycle of abuse and poverty.

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

Spiritual beliefs are a part of culture, every culture. If anything will ever change in black America, it has to come from within. At least we can agree that the overwhelming black on black American murder rates are not racially motivated, can't we?

 

[Asclepias]

Unfortunately you are wrong. I know way more about how Africans think than you. I have traveled there, I actually am a part owner of land over there and I talk to them almost daily. Where do you think I learned this from?

If this was true, you would know umoja is a joke. There simply is no unity in Africa. It's a fucking continent, not a country or even a tribe, and there has never been, and certainly isn't today, any unity whatsoever. Lying on an internet message board is still lying, cracky.

I understand your hate for your ancestors and love for what whites tell you have left you susceptible to propaganda. I pity you. I must be hard every time you see your reflection to deal with the self hate.

Caribe is Black. I know the hate for her own people fooled you.

I don't live in Africa or America. We don't have the umoja you people do. LOL!

I didnt say you did. However, we all know you did live in america.

You're a used car that broke down. You blame the buyer and not the seller.

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

 

[Asclepias]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

 

[Carib Gyal]

If this was true, you would know umoja is a joke. There simply is no unity in Africa. It's a fucking continent, not a country or even a tribe, and there has never been, and certainly isn't today, any unity whatsoever. Lying on an internet message board is still lying, cracky.

I understand your hate for your ancestors and love for what whites tell you have left you susceptible to propaganda. I pity you. I must be hard every time you see your reflection to deal with the self hate.

I don't live in Africa or America. We don't have the umoja you people do. LOL!

I didnt say you did. However, we all know you did live in america.

You're a used car that broke down. You blame the buyer and not the seller.

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

 

[Carib Gyal]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

 

[Asclepias]

I understand your hate for your ancestors and love for what whites tell you have left you susceptible to propaganda. I pity you. I must be hard every time you see your reflection to deal with the self hate.

I didnt say you did. However, we all know you did live in america.

You're a used car that broke down. You blame the buyer and not the seller.

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

 

[Asclepias]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

 

[Carib Gyal]

You're a used car that broke down. You blame the buyer and not the seller.

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

Then you would know they don't agree with "Africans," lol. Buncha Muslims, too. Did you eat cow turds when you visited your umoja people, or did they sell you again? HAHA!

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

He has to make his money, ie, work for his tickets. You should give it a try. lol.

 

[Asclepias]

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

Then you would know they don't agree with "Africans," lol. Buncha Muslims, too. Did you eat cow turds when you visited your umoja people, or did they sell you again? HAHA!

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

He has to make his money, ie, work for his tickets. You should give it a try. lol.

The only thing I know is you hate yourself and have no clue regarding Africa. Which explains why you hate yourself. I'm off to do some Black things. Dont slit your wrist for being Black in the meantime.

 

[emilynghiem]

That is clearly a cultural difference, and here it happens to be black versus white.

Yes! It is cultural, not racial.

Unfortunately Carib Gyal as even Asclepias pointed out,
this does get projected onto race, and that adds to the conflict.

it is hard for "white and black" people to work together on the Freedmen's Town history
and expect there to be trust. Instead, there were incidents like one time a sale of the land back to the community
got BLOCKED because one of the Black leaders didn't trust one of the White people involved. So instead of
taking back control of the land and the school (that later got torned down) it went into the hands of the public school
that tore up gravesites and tore down houses seized by eminent domain. So race was a factor in why the
community kept getting taken advantage of.

The author of the book on Freedmen's Town history also couldn't get support united around defense
because he was white and misjudged for having some other motives besides preserving the Black history
that his doctoral work was focused on. And the head of the local museum also had some people divided against
her just because she was white and they didn't trust her when she worked with the schools and city on projects.

Race and distrust of race has been part of the reason people stay divided and not fully empowered.
So that is part of the equation, either race directly or perceptions and race relations.

The part that is directly is the spiritual wounds and resentment carried from
one generation to the next that is tied to nationality and race. That is part of the dynamics of
the injuries that must be addressed if you are going to heal the wounds and break the cycle of abuse and poverty.

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

Spiritual beliefs are a part of culture, every culture. If anything will ever change in black America, it has to come from within. At least we can agree that the overwhelming black on black American murder rates are not racially motivated, can't we?

I still believe that some of the inbred hatred is coming from
damage inherited spiritually because of race and how whole generations were treated.

That is carried racially and that anger is taken out against fellow Blacks.

Blacks were forced to rape other blacks to breed more slaves.

That kind of injury can be carried deep in the spirit
and remanifest later as these violent hateful crimes.

So it can be manifested as black on black crime.

If the Black people who enslaved other blacks --
not just in Africa but also the Black slave owners who owned land
and Black Slaves in America in equal proportion to the whites who owned slaves --
carry karma from that, yes, they can pimp and abuse their own family and
community members and revisit that same cycle until it is broken.

NOTE: The same way Irish slaves were also forcibly raped by Blacks to breed more slaves,
with the darker skin being worth more, I am guessing that some of the inbred
phobic hostility between whites and blacks could come from that also.

The tragic problems of gambling and drinking addictions
among Native Americans could possible be traced back
to either the genocidal abuses and/or any occult type
practices in their family lineages that can be passed down spiritually.

The Black genocides and tribal wars in Africa have
been blamed on occult practices and voodoo that
infected the spiritual family lines also. The constant
corruption and crises affecting tribal wars not only in Africa
but in Haiti and other places has been blamed on
spiritual curses carried in the bloodlines from tribal practices.

So you can call that cultural or spiritual but it is
carried by generations so it does manifest by race.

 

[Carib Gyal]

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

Then you would know they don't agree with "Africans," lol. Buncha Muslims, too. Did you eat cow turds when you visited your umoja people, or did they sell you again? HAHA!

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

He has to make his money, ie, work for his tickets. You should give it a try. lol.

The only thing I know is you hate yourself and have no clue regarding Africa. Which explains why you hate yourself. I'm off to do some Black things. Dont slit your wrist for being Black in the meantime.

Enjoy your crack and getting murdered. It's what you guys do the best.

 

[Carib Gyal]

Yes! It is cultural, not racial.

Unfortunately Carib Gyal as even Asclepias pointed out,
this does get projected onto race, and that adds to the conflict.

it is hard for "white and black" people to work together on the Freedmen's Town history
and expect there to be trust. Instead, there were incidents like one time a sale of the land back to the community
got BLOCKED because one of the Black leaders didn't trust one of the White people involved. So instead of
taking back control of the land and the school (that later got torned down) it went into the hands of the public school
that tore up gravesites and tore down houses seized by eminent domain. So race was a factor in why the
community kept getting taken advantage of.

The author of the book on Freedmen's Town history also couldn't get support united around defense
because he was white and misjudged for having some other motives besides preserving the Black history
that his doctoral work was focused on. And the head of the local museum also had some people divided against
her just because she was white and they didn't trust her when she worked with the schools and city on projects.

Race and distrust of race has been part of the reason people stay divided and not fully empowered.
So that is part of the equation, either race directly or perceptions and race relations.

The part that is directly is the spiritual wounds and resentment carried from
one generation to the next that is tied to nationality and race. That is part of the dynamics of
the injuries that must be addressed if you are going to heal the wounds and break the cycle of abuse and poverty.

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

Spiritual beliefs are a part of culture, every culture. If anything will ever change in black America, it has to come from within. At least we can agree that the overwhelming black on black American murder rates are not racially motivated, can't we?

I still believe that some of the inbred hatred is coming from
damage inherited spiritually because of race and how whole generations were treated.

That is carried racially and that anger is taken out against fellow Blacks.

Blacks were forced to rape other blacks to breed more slaves.

That kind of injury can be carried deep in the spirit
and remanifest later as these violent hateful crimes.

So it can be manifested as black on black crime.

If the Black people who enslaved other blacks --
not just in Africa but also the Black slave owners who owned land
and Black Slaves in America in equal proportion to the whites who owned slaves --
carry karma from that, yes, they can pimp and abuse their own family and
community members and revisit that same cycle until it is broken.

NOTE: The same way Irish slaves were also forcibly raped by Blacks to breed more slaves,
with the darker skin being worth more, I am guessing that some of the inbred
phobic hostility between whites and blacks could come from that also.

The tragic problems of gambling and drinking addictions
among Native Americans could possible be traced back
to either the genocidal abuses and/or any occult type
practices in their family lineages that can be passed down spiritually.

The Black genocides and tribal wars in Africa have
been blamed on occult practices and voodoo that
infected the spiritual family lines also. The constant
corruption and crises affecting tribal wars not only in Africa
but in Haiti and other places has been blamed on
spiritual curses carried in the bloodlines from tribal practices.

So you can call that cultural or spiritual but it is
carried by generations so it does manifest by race.

That's my point. If it was race, it would be true of all blacks everywhere. But it's not, it is restricted to black Americans. It is a cultural phenomenon.

 

[emilynghiem]

You are a Black woman that wishes she was white. You blame your ancestors for selling you into slavery and thats why you hate Black people and yourself.

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

Then you would know they don't agree with "Africans," lol. Buncha Muslims, too. Did you eat cow turds when you visited your umoja people, or did they sell you again? HAHA!

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

He has to make his money, ie, work for his tickets. You should give it a try. lol.

Dear Carib Gyal I am guessing you are having fun poking and taunting here.
But given that Asclepias is sincere in caring about healing for the self-hatred that has historically destroyed the
Black communities, I asked him to lay off on the racial jabs and ask you to also, to be fair.

I think he is truly concerned and hurt to see this kind of talk, and that is why I asked him not to engage either.

When you are done with your fun,
I'd much rather focus on serious points of what solutions we can support
to end the black on black crime and poverty and perception of victimhood.

Jabbing back and forth may be fun and games to you, but I don't think that is where Asclepias is with this.
He is trying to focus on serious education for empowerment, and I think you would have a lot to contribute
if you are above all that self-hateful victim projection talk.

Can we rise to that higher level and have the discussion there?
Thanks, and don't mean to spoil your fun, but Asclepias is very serious and I'd like to see what can be done in
real practical terms, and not just goofing around poking and punching for hot buttons and weak spots in his armor.

I think the intellectual discourse you are quite capable of
is a much more productive way to bring out those points so they can be resolved.

I think this other way is distracting, so I asked him to stop as well.

Appreciate your higher sense of humor about this, but am more interested in your serious points.

Thank you!

 

[emilynghiem]

Unfortunately Carib Gyal as even Asclepias pointed out,
this does get projected onto race, and that adds to the conflict.

it is hard for "white and black" people to work together on the Freedmen's Town history
and expect there to be trust. Instead, there were incidents like one time a sale of the land back to the community
got BLOCKED because one of the Black leaders didn't trust one of the White people involved. So instead of
taking back control of the land and the school (that later got torned down) it went into the hands of the public school
that tore up gravesites and tore down houses seized by eminent domain. So race was a factor in why the
community kept getting taken advantage of.

The author of the book on Freedmen's Town history also couldn't get support united around defense
because he was white and misjudged for having some other motives besides preserving the Black history
that his doctoral work was focused on. And the head of the local museum also had some people divided against
her just because she was white and they didn't trust her when she worked with the schools and city on projects.

Race and distrust of race has been part of the reason people stay divided and not fully empowered.
So that is part of the equation, either race directly or perceptions and race relations.

The part that is directly is the spiritual wounds and resentment carried from
one generation to the next that is tied to nationality and race. That is part of the dynamics of
the injuries that must be addressed if you are going to heal the wounds and break the cycle of abuse and poverty.

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

Spiritual beliefs are a part of culture, every culture. If anything will ever change in black America, it has to come from within. At least we can agree that the overwhelming black on black American murder rates are not racially motivated, can't we?

I still believe that some of the inbred hatred is coming from
damage inherited spiritually because of race and how whole generations were treated.

That is carried racially and that anger is taken out against fellow Blacks.

Blacks were forced to rape other blacks to breed more slaves.

That kind of injury can be carried deep in the spirit
and remanifest later as these violent hateful crimes.

So it can be manifested as black on black crime.

If the Black people who enslaved other blacks --
not just in Africa but also the Black slave owners who owned land
and Black Slaves in America in equal proportion to the whites who owned slaves --
carry karma from that, yes, they can pimp and abuse their own family and
community members and revisit that same cycle until it is broken.

NOTE: The same way Irish slaves were also forcibly raped by Blacks to breed more slaves,
with the darker skin being worth more, I am guessing that some of the inbred
phobic hostility between whites and blacks could come from that also.

The tragic problems of gambling and drinking addictions
among Native Americans could possible be traced back
to either the genocidal abuses and/or any occult type
practices in their family lineages that can be passed down spiritually.

The Black genocides and tribal wars in Africa have
been blamed on occult practices and voodoo that
infected the spiritual family lines also. The constant
corruption and crises affecting tribal wars not only in Africa
but in Haiti and other places has been blamed on
spiritual curses carried in the bloodlines from tribal practices.

So you can call that cultural or spiritual but it is
carried by generations so it does manifest by race.

That's my point. If it was race, it would be true of all blacks everywhere. But it's not, it is restricted to black Americans. It is a cultural phenomenon.

Well, when the Constitutional laws that would liberate all people as providing "equal protections of the law"
have been DEMONIZED because of the history of the "white man's law" used to ENSLAVE blacks,
you do have a rift going on that is passed culturally and socially by race relations.

Again I ran into many people who had almost a PHOBIA about law govt and property
because of this black/white history.

As others pointed out on here, segregation was still enforced up through the 1960s
and in my neighborhood they are still treating Blacks as noncitizens who don't count as equal.

In trying to reach out and empower more of these community members, predominantly Black,
to participate in enforcing laws and plans to reclaim ownership,
not just me but others ran into this reluctance avoidance and FEAR of
trying to use this system that has been taught as the white man's control game.

So the issue of whites enslaving blacks in America
where they are generations behind on ownership
DOES have a special process of resolving this,
ESPECIALLY since our laws were supposed to enforce equality.

How can we use this very democratic system to empower people
if they are afraid of it because it has historically been abused
by "wealthy white land owners" as the opposite of "poor black who don't own land."

And the divide between political parties doesn't help but makes it worse
by taking the SAME class division of pitting poor FIELD slaves against privileged HOUSE slaves
and now expanding on that to pit whole classes of people
divided into the poor blaming the rich and the rich blaming the poor.

somehow this is part of America's growth process
and we are supposed to move toward mature spiritual and social development.

this is the stage we are right now, as
teenagers rebelling against the parent or govt
and trying to break free and set up means to govern
our own households instead of depending on
some third party in power to use our labor as the tax base to control govt.

We are moving toward setting up local govt
where people control their own labor and tax base
and NONE of us are in the slave game of
pitting the privileged against the poor so the masters stay in charge.

if we can't learn from the history of black slavery,
this game that is going on, we are going to keep repeating it.

The same way blacks are urged to quit attacking each other,
quit giving their money to other businesses and banks
and start investing in their equal ownership,
all of America needs to learn the same lessons
and start investing in a united way instead of being divided and conquered
as the slaves were between field slaves and privileged urban slaves.

 

[Papageorgio]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

Oh shit! What happened to all the free stuff the government promised me?

 

[emilynghiem]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

Oh shit! What happened to all the free stuff the government promised me?

If the Democrats promised you that, if you have it in writing,
you can charge the bill back to them and their party for the costs.

Let's start holding leaders accountable, as well as the
party members and voters who got them elected.

They can make good on their promises as part of
their own platforms they are in charge of funding for the members who sign up by voting for it.

So anything they advocate, they better have a plan for funding it for all the voters they buy!

 

[Carib Gyal]

My black African ancestors believed in umoja, unity. That's why they sold their own into slavery. lol.

Your Black ancestors did believe in umoja unity. Thats where the words come from. Obviously not all of them but your grasp of history tells me you are clueless as to what actually happened. Dont show me what some white guy said. Go to the source and find out for yourself. I'm sure you will be sick to your stomach being around all those Black people though so I doubt you will go to West Africa.

My people actually came from West Africa. You don't even know where yours came from. I bet they were Xhosa, you seem stupid enough.

Mine too. Senegal and the Wolof to be specific. I traced my ancestry down about 12 years ago. I bet you feel stupid now.

Then you would know they don't agree with "Africans," lol. Buncha Muslims, too. Did you eat cow turds when you visited your umoja people, or did they sell you again? HAHA!

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

You finally admit you were wrong all along. If you have to work for it, it ain't no privilege, cracky.

No I only pointed out he had to go pick up his privilege on will call. Black people dont have that option.

He has to make his money, ie, work for his tickets. You should give it a try. lol.

Dear Carib Gyal I am guessing you are having fun poking and taunting here.
But given that Asclepias is sincere in caring about healing for the self-hatred that has historically destroyed the
Black communities, I asked him to lay off on the racial jabs and ask you to also, to be fair.

I think he is truly concerned and hurt to see this kind of talk, and that is why I asked him not to engage either.

When you are done with your fun,
I'd much rather focus on serious points of what solutions we can support
to end the black on black crime and poverty and perception of victimhood.

Jabbing back and forth may be fun and games to you, but I don't think that is where Asclepias is with this.
He is trying to focus on serious education for empowerment, and I think you would have a lot to contribute
if you are above all that self-hateful victim projection talk.

Can we rise to that higher level and have the discussion there?
Thanks, and don't mean to spoil your fun, but Asclepias is very serious and I'd like to see what can be done in
real practical terms, and not just goofing around poking and punching for hot buttons and weak spots in his armor.

I think the intellectual discourse you are quite capable of
is a much more productive way to bring out those points so they can be resolved.

I think this other way is distracting, so I asked him to stop as well.

Appreciate your higher sense of humor about this, but am more interested in your serious points.

Thank you!

I am the one who is interested in alleviating the suffering, and pointing the constant and never-ending finger of blame at white people is not the way to do it. My people and culture have many problems, but racism isn't one of them. I feel as though I am in a black KKK meeting when I talk to those kinds of people. They are so intent, their racism so ingrained, they simply dismiss any claims to the contrary. And I will always slap back, it's just my nature.

 

[Carib Gyal]

If it is race and not culture, emilynghiem, why do black people in America murder each other in such large numbers?

Hi Carib Gyal
Race is a factor in the socioeconomic conditions.

The two areas of race I focus on the most here:

1. the SPIRITUAL karma connected and carried by race and passed from previous to later generations
where anything unforgiven or not healed is passed down and can manifest as resentment,
including by race.

The race isn't causing the problem, but the *spiritual problem* is projected onto race as a factor.
Race does become a factor in identifying and healing to break the cycle.
(Similar to grouping people by religion, where the same problems happen in all groups, but if this gets projected onto a particular religious identity, that religion becomes a factor of organizing socially to solve the conflict.)

I go by what people tell me, if they identify by race (or religion), I trust them to tell me where they need to focus.
Asclepias has made it clear he is focused on race, so that is a factor for him and I work with him in that way.

I trust that is part of his spiritual path to focus on community solutions to problems associated with racial inequality and history he is trying to address.

2. the issue of financial and political standing that is behind by 150 years due to slavery,
where some generations affected by this need extra support to catch up on learning laws of property
and business/financial management.

I run into this everyday.

I have neighbors and coworkers without any experience or clue where to start with
owning their own property, or rentals or business, much less owning their own city district
because they've never had that experience in their families or social circles.

They have not inherited a sense of ownership that other families get from their parents or grandparents.

So if you are wondering what is the deal with American Blacks
that is where a lot of this victimhood powerlessness comes from.

Not only were family lines broken by slavery, but the rapes to breed more
slaves were blamed on whites and the slavery laws were enforced by
a predominantly white system.

Part of the strategy of keeping Blacks enslaved and unable to unite to liberate themselves
was to divide the FIELD slaves from the HOUSE slaves who got more privileges.

The Urban slaves who were educated were able to move toward independence faster
by understanding land and business ownership and trying to teach this to others.

But the poor uneducated Blacks who stay in the cycle of poverty get taken advantage
of in this system that makes money off bad credit decisions and our prison system
where the industry and contractors make money off the crime. There is not equal
motivation to get people off welfare and out of the system. Politicians play on this
for sympathy to get elected and the plans for campuses to get people educated
require direct investment and participation, where people aren't educated and empowered to take that on.

Of course, if you have Black struggling to get by while their neighborhoods are being taken
over and their families split over jail where they can't work to take back ownership of their communities,
you are going to see dependence on drugs, crime and incarceration as the life they are brought up in.

It's a vicious cycle, and resentment over race has added to it and kept it going.

#1 the Spiritual wounds of genocide that are mixed in with race
have to be healed first if people are going to be EMPOWERED
to solve their financial and political issues in a unified orderly way.

#2 the physical reality of turning prisons and poor districts
into sustainable campus programs to break the cycle of poverty
depends on educating people on the laws and rights they have
equal authority to invoke to CLAIM land and ownership so they can have equal status.

They are generations behind on the learning curve.
So the factor of organizing by community and cultural identity
DOES involve RACE. People align and identify with role models
based on this. So where that IS a factor for them, sure,
I recognize that and have to be willing to work with it.

I can't just take my world view and IMPOSE it on someone else.

If they identify by race, that means to work within their ways
of representing themselves, their interests and community,
in order to build solutions as Asclepias seeks to do.

I have met with political leaders who urged me to understand
the unity has to come first, and then the changes can follow.

So racial identity and history is part of that process of unifying,
so people FEEL empowered so they CAN take on the responsibilities
instead of feeling it is hopeless trying to fight the system run by others.

Thanks for asking, and I hope you and Asclepias are able to find
and focus on points of agreement so you can unite your resources
and uplift more people to get past the negative conflicts concerning race.

If you see it as cultural, that's one way to describe the problems and solutions going on.
If Asclepias sees it as racial, that's a factor also that a lot of people want to address.

Whatever it takes to motivate people to change the dynamics,
from victimhood to empowerment, it's important to work together
even if we call it or focus on different things. What are the solutions we can all agree on.

Spiritual beliefs are a part of culture, every culture. If anything will ever change in black America, it has to come from within. At least we can agree that the overwhelming black on black American murder rates are not racially motivated, can't we?

I still believe that some of the inbred hatred is coming from
damage inherited spiritually because of race and how whole generations were treated.

That is carried racially and that anger is taken out against fellow Blacks.

Blacks were forced to rape other blacks to breed more slaves.

That kind of injury can be carried deep in the spirit
and remanifest later as these violent hateful crimes.

So it can be manifested as black on black crime.

If the Black people who enslaved other blacks --
not just in Africa but also the Black slave owners who owned land
and Black Slaves in America in equal proportion to the whites who owned slaves --
carry karma from that, yes, they can pimp and abuse their own family and
community members and revisit that same cycle until it is broken.

NOTE: The same way Irish slaves were also forcibly raped by Blacks to breed more slaves,
with the darker skin being worth more, I am guessing that some of the inbred
phobic hostility between whites and blacks could come from that also.

The tragic problems of gambling and drinking addictions
among Native Americans could possible be traced back
to either the genocidal abuses and/or any occult type
practices in their family lineages that can be passed down spiritually.

The Black genocides and tribal wars in Africa have
been blamed on occult practices and voodoo that
infected the spiritual family lines also. The constant
corruption and crises affecting tribal wars not only in Africa
but in Haiti and other places has been blamed on
spiritual curses carried in the bloodlines from tribal practices.

So you can call that cultural or spiritual but it is
carried by generations so it does manifest by race.

That's my point. If it was race, it would be true of all blacks everywhere. But it's not, it is restricted to black Americans. It is a cultural phenomenon.

Well, when the Constitutional laws that would liberate all people as providing "equal protections of the law"
have been DEMONIZED because of the history of the "white man's law" used to ENSLAVE blacks,
you do have a rift going on that is passed culturally and socially by race relations.

Again I ran into many people who had almost a PHOBIA about law govt and property
because of this black/white history.

As others pointed out on here, segregation was still enforced up through the 1960s
and in my neighborhood they are still treating Blacks as noncitizens who don't count as equal.

In trying to reach out and empower more of these community members, predominantly Black,
to participate in enforcing laws and plans to reclaim ownership,
not just me but others ran into this reluctance avoidance and FEAR of
trying to use this system that has been taught as the white man's control game.

So the issue of whites enslaving blacks in America
where they are generations behind on ownership
DOES have a special process of resolving this,
ESPECIALLY since our laws were supposed to enforce equality.

How can we use this very democratic system to empower people
if they are afraid of it because it has historically been abused
by "wealthy white land owners" as the opposite of "poor black who don't own land."

And the divide between political parties doesn't help but makes it worse
by taking the SAME class division of pitting poor FIELD slaves against privileged HOUSE slaves
and now expanding on that to pit whole classes of people
divided into the poor blaming the rich and the rich blaming the poor.

somehow this is part of America's growth process
and we are supposed to move toward mature spiritual and social development.

this is the stage we are right now, as
teenagers rebelling against the parent or govt
and trying to break free and set up means to govern
our own households instead of depending on
some third party in power to use our labor as the tax base to control govt.

We are moving toward setting up local govt
where people control their own labor and tax base
and NONE of us are in the slave game of
pitting the privileged against the poor so the masters stay in charge.

if we can't learn from the history of black slavery,
this game that is going on, we are going to keep repeating it.

The same way blacks are urged to quit attacking each other,
quit giving their money to other businesses and banks
and start investing in their equal ownership,
all of America needs to learn the same lessons
and start investing in a united way instead of being divided and conquered
as the slaves were between field slaves and privileged urban slaves.

Excuses of wrongs long past will not solve any problems. It's way past time to move on. Unless and until the American black culture can and does change itself from within, by taking responsibility for their own words and actions, it is destined to the fate in which it currently finds itself.

 

[Asclepias]

White privilege hasn't gotten me free Super Bowl tickets! Damn!

You wont get them unless you actually make money. If you are a lazy white then your privilege is waiting for you to get up and go get it.

Oh shit! What happened to all the free stuff the government promised me?

Your welfare check was delivered yesterday wasnt it?