Zone1 What is Truth?

[gtopa1]

Chesterton?



?



What do you like to say to me?



The universe is not infinite. It has a beginning and it expands. If you could travel through the universe you could never leave it because you see it always expanding. So it expands from all points into all directions and on your travel you always had been in the middle of the universe. The universe has only centres and no edge.



Eh?

Read more.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Chesterton?



?



What do you like to say to me?



The universe is not infinite. It has a beginning and it expands. If you could travel through the universe you could never leave it because you see it always expanding. So it expands from all points into all directions and on your travel you always had been in the middle of the universe. The universe has only centres and no edge.



Eh?

Greg

 

[zaangalewa]

... but the incorporeal can be ...

What do you call "incorporeal". Human beings? As far as I know information always needs a carrier and so we also always need a "body" - in whatever form this might be.

 

[zaangalewa]

Greg

Why should I read this? The universe is not infinite.

 

[gtopa1]

Why should I read this? The universe is not infinite.

Your faith says so??

Greg

 

[zaangalewa]

Your faith says so??

Greg

I say so because I am convinced this is true. And to try to stay in the truth - independent from a special person and/or a concrete subject - is part of my faith. The plausible idea of a "primordial atom" (atom not in sense of a chemical element) for example ... later this will be called "big bang" ... was developed from the Belgian physicist and Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre two years before Hubble also had such an idea.

I'm not sure in context of Schrödingers equation and also of the theory of relativity whether a Hilbert space (a space with infinite dimensions) could have to do something as well with the theory of relativity (where time seems ot be a kind of illusion) and also with quantum mechanics (where time is a very hard fact). But I don't have the basis to work something like this out. In general it is very difficult to say what's "only" a mathematical construct and/or ¿also? a real physical structure. I often say "mathematics is the spirituality of physics".

 

[zaangalewa]

gtopa1

May I ask what's your religion or do I disturbe your weird laughter with such stupid questions?

 

[ding]

You do not know what? Strange. Do you accept John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis and Vaticanum II?

It's not strange at all. I already told you I don't know everything. I only know what I know.

Are you one of those people who make a big deal out of Vatican II? As near as I can tell there has always been a power struggle between free enterprise and socialism. Not only within the Church but in societies as well. It will probably always be that way. The good news is that error can't stand. So eventually it will work itself out. I have faith in God that good comes from bad.

 

[ding]

What's true and wrong the same time. It exists for examople also a logic of time - what you can see when you look for something what's in another position as it was yesterday. And "timeless" is indeed nothing what we are able to understand intuitionally. Give me an example for for a timeless logic. In a timeless world no one could think because to think needs time. So what do you call "logic" in this case? The timeless word of god is a creating word. We are only able to transform energy - for example - but not able to create energy.

I use to believe that time doesn't exist. That it was just a convenient way to measure the expansion of the universe. Lately I have been thinking that time might be the only real thing that exists. That we exist in the mind of God and that the sequential nature of logic makes time the only real thing. But there's no way to know.

 

[ding]

What do you call "incorporeal". Human beings? As far as I know information always needs a carrier and so we also always need a "body" - in whatever form this might be.

Humans are both material and spiritual beings.

I call incorporeal exactly as it is; not composed of matter; having no material existence.

Does information always need a carrier? We live in a life breeding, intelligence creating, material universe because the constant presence of mind made it so. Rather than mind being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time, mind has always existed as the source or matrix of existence.

 

[ding]

Greg

I'm not going to tell you what to believe or what not to believe but you might ask where all that cosmic microwave background radiation came from in his infinite universe theory, and the mechanism that produced it. Lastly special and general relativity have been validated in a myriad of ways.

 

[crossbody]

When Jesus was brought before Pilate, Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?".
John 18:
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

Unfortunately in the Bible we do not have a record of Jesus' response.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 17:17 (Jesus said) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[zaangalewa]

It's not strange at all. I already told you I don't know everything. I only know what I know.

Are you one of those people who make a big deal out of Vatican II?

Yes, Lefvebreist.

As near as I can tell there has always been a power struggle between free enterprise and socialism. Not only within the Church but in societies as well. It will probably always be that way. The good news is that error can't stand. So eventually it will work itself out. I have faith in God that good comes from bad.

Humans are both material and spiritual beings.

I call incorporeal exactly as it is; not composed of matter; having no material existence.

Does information always need a carrier? We live in a life breeding, intelligence creating, material universe because the constant presence of mind made it so. Rather than mind being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time, mind has always existed as the source or matrix of existence.

I'm not going to tell you what to believe or what not to believe but you might ask where all that cosmic microwave background radiation came from in his infinite universe theory, and the mechanism that produced it. Lastly special and general relativity have been validated in a myriad of ways.

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[crossbody]

When Jesus was brought before Pilate, Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?".

This seems to have been a really good topic. Unfortunately those who do not read and study the Bible answered with their own philosophical angle, or leaning to their own understanding.

Strange how those who do not believe in God and His Truth, actually believe in philosophers, scientists, theorists, etc... They have the ability to believe they just never believe in the Truth.

 

[zaangalewa]

I use to believe that time doesn't exist.

¿¿¿¿¿ ... Okay ... ?????

 

[zaangalewa]

This seems to have been a really good topic. Unfortunately those who do not read and study the Bible answered with their own philosophical angle, or leaning to their own understanding.

Strange how those who do not believe in God and His Truth, actually believe in philosophers, scientists, theorists, etc... They have the ability to believe they just never believe in the Truth.

What's your religion?

 

[ding]

Yes, Lefvebreist.





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You can say Lefvebreist all you want but until you explain what that means to you, you are wasting your time.

 

[ding]

¿¿¿¿¿ ... Okay ... ?????

I'm trying my best to move you away from behaving like a spoiled child who doesn't get his way to discussing things like an adult, but you aren't making it easy.

 

[zaangalewa]

You can say Lefvebreist all you want but until you explain what that means to you, you are wasting your time.

no comment

 

[zaangalewa]

I'm trying my best to move you away from behaving like a spoiled child who doesn't get his way to discussing things like an adult, but you aren't making it easy.

Do not waste your not existing time. My time is ¿un-?fortunatelly limited although when god made time he/she/they made a lot.