What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[TimFitz]

If an ICE agent interacts with an individual they have reason to believe is in the country illegally, they have every right to detain them. If some interferes, they have every right to arrest them. Why are you for lawlessness and disorder?

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What reason would they have?

Brown skin color, perhaps.

Warrants are not being served. There is no due process here.

They’re just roaming around. Looking for places where brown people might gather. Rounding them up and demanding their papers (which is not legal either).

Trump is trying to provoke violence.

There is no doubt about that.

 

[toobfreak]

CA should be almost 100% Hispanic since they were originally the only legal Spanish land grant owners.

And by that same infarcated logic, if you bought a house and the entire lawn were crab grass, you would have no right to dig it up to replant it with healthy lawn because the crab grass was there first, right?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are Trump supporters going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

Is Trump’s deployment of federal troops in California legal?

Under ordinary circumstances, federal troops would be deployed to aid or assist in state efforts, says Jeremy R. Paul, a professor of law.

news.northeastern.edu

Why do you corrupt other forums with your ludicrous BS?

This isn't a current event. It's a philisophical discussion.

You may be old, but you are still stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

What reason would they have?

Brown skin color, perhaps.

Warrants are not being served. There is no due process here.

They’re just roaming around. Looking for places where brown people might gather. Rounding them up and demanding their papers (which is not legal either).

Trump is trying to provoke violence.

There is no doubt about that.

You're just lying.

Border czar Tom Homan says media ignoring of facts about ICE raids fueled LA riots

U.S. border czar Tom Homan defended Immigrations and Customs Enforcement operations in Los Angeles during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

www.foxnews.com

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[Slyhunter]

Did anyone mention Martial law yet? You now like in 1967 forcing states to allow black kids in White schools?

 

[Rambunctious]

What other basis could there be for ICE except that we claim this land by right of conquest, by murdering the natives?
Its not ours, we are not native, we did not create the land, we invaded, and we illegally murdered the real natives who did have ownership rights.

So when you lose an argument in the present you go back 400 years to justify your points?... oh man you are a mess...
I feel sorry for you...

 

[Slyhunter]

What other basis could there be for ICE except that we claim this land by right of conquest, by murdering the natives?
Its not ours, we are not native, we did not create the land, we invaded, and we illegally murdered the real natives who did have ownership rights.

Um, the natives fought each other for the land. Folks have done so since the Caveman days.

 

[Rambunctious]

Rigby5 you have to admit one thing... It seems to be working... the streets are mostly clear today... this is not 2020....
There is a new sheriff in town and he has very smart legal minds with him....

 

[struth]

No one is supposed to "give up certain rights" to government.
What is supposed to happen is that government can temporarily borrow the authority that the defense of rights gives, when individuals temporarily delegate it to government.
For example, we can hire police to enforce the laws protecting my house and property.
That does not put police as being more powerful than I, but instead just allows the subservient police to temporarily look after my property for me.
People assume police then are a source of authority, and they are not.
That is wrong. The reason police can arrest is because everyone can arrest those who violate their rights.

As far as the undocumented, they are native and their ancestors were here before ours, so we can't make law excluding them.
The only way we could legally make laws harming them is if they were first harming us.
And they aren't.
They actually have far less crime and are vastly beneficial to our agriculture and other businesses.
They are paying our Social Security.

Yes we are that’s where govt gets its power. Individuals giving up part of their sovereignty.

 

[TimFitz]

If an ICE agent interacts with an individual they have reason to believe is in the country illegally, they have every right to detain them. If some interferes, they have every right to arrest them. Why are you for lawlessness and disorder?

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So, now that we’ve dispensed with you first made up claim, you can try your hand at explaining how they are supposed to determine if the people they are rounding up at random are here illegally or not, with no warrant, no investigations, and no probable clause.

Is being brown your idea of “probable cause”?

 

[Rigby5]

Its 2025.... laws change... Obama deported more people than any president in history... where were you then when ICE was going door to door at workplaces in the cities....

Obama pushed voluntary deportation when the US was doing a recession that made it a terrible place to look for work.
ICE as never going "door to door", immigration simply dropped dramatically.

 

[Rigby5]

Rigby5 why the crickets?

I am not so sure I would support ICE or the FBI even if they had valid warrants, but then there is not much I could say.
But without valid warrants, that is such a violation of law that it becomes a much bigger deal.

 

[Eman623]

Wrong.

...is what I am not.

Bricks and molotov cocktails are not being used.

Bullshit.

But I did witness ICE deliberately shooting a journalist in the back with a rubber bullet.

Did you witness what happened before that event?

 

[Rigby5]

Immigration laws are federal...

The intent of immigration laws was about how to become a citizen, and there was no concept of being able to prevent people from simply working here.
Its weird for the US to even consider preventing foreign workers, considering how all the citizens of the US are descendants of foreign invaders.

 

[Rigby5]

You’re claiming the FBI doesn’t have the right to enforce Federal laws?

No government has the right to so anything.
Instead what they have is the obligation to protect the rights of individuals, and they then borrow the delegated authority from those they protect.
Since undocumented are an advantage and not an infringement, there really is not much that should be done to them.

 

[Rigby5]

The people living around the Home Depot and the people who work there called ICE after not getting the police to respond... My friends grandson works at that very location.... the migrants were breaking into trucks and cars and peeing in the parking lot and fighting with each other... and leaving trash everywhere...

I have never seen a Home Depot that had anyone actually living near by.
They typically are in big shopping centers.

 

[theHawk]

Since undocumented are an advantage and not an infringement, there really is not much that should be done to them

What a load of crap.

Your stupidity is surpassing even IM2 and Skews now.

If your stupidity grows anymore, it may become the new 8th wonder of the world.

 

[Rigby5]

That's a guess on your part.

I'll bet you have next to no context as to why we were even involved there.

Your stupid armchair quarterbacking is become boring.

I protested. It was your side that got your shoulders under GWB's rear end.

The only lines crossed have been by the protestors. I know that your vision of judicial process fits your narrative. Sorroy to break it to you, but they are there legitimately and right now, I hope they are arresting people by droves.

The left wing of this country is what has removed many of the vestiges of our republican form of congress.

If you are so high on this, are you going to push for a repeal of the 17th amendment?

The reason we were in Vietnam is because we are colonial imperialists, and saw the opportunity to make money off what used to be the French monopoly before Ho Chi Minh defeated them.
The Domino Theory was fake and had nothing to do with it really.
The reality was all about greedy profits.
The first thing we did was stop the democratic elections in Vietnam, and back the military takeover by the dictator Diem.

Not sure your point about the 17th amendment?
That appears to be a good thing, where senators were elected by the people instead of by the state legislators.

 

[OKTexas]

So, now that we’ve dispensed with you first made up claim, you can try your hand at explaining how they are supposed to determine if the people they are rounding up at random are here illegally or not, with no warrant, no investigations, and no probable clause.

Is being brown your idea of “probable cause”?

See the SCOTUS decision on Terry Stops.

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[Rigby5]

Yes we are that’s where govt gets its power. Individuals giving up part of their sovereignty.

I strongly disagree.
When we restrict our actions it had better be only to protect the rights of other individuals.
We should NEVER give up anything for government.
Government has no right to anything.
Government exists only as a subservient agent of the protection of others.